ALL med schools not equal

[ilim01]

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I have ben told that all med schools in the US are the basically the same because fo the need to be accredited by a certain licensing body
(LSME i think).

then lookin in Barron's guide to med and dental schools i was surprised to find a med school in DC, Howard Med school in which the avg MCAT for the 2002-2003 class was only 24.7 and avg gpa only 3.0

I haven't yet found other schools with such weak requirements, is this the only anomaly because its a historically african american school or are there other schools like this?

 

[MadameLULU]

I have ben told that all med schools in the US are the basically the same because fo the need to be accredited by a certain licensing body
(LSME i think).

then lookin in Barron's guide to med and dental schools i was surprised to find a med school in DC, Howard Med school in which the avg MCAT for the 2002-2003 class was only 24.7 and avg gpa only 3.0

I haven't yet found other schools with such weak requirements, is this the only anomaly because its a historically african american school or are there other schools like this?

Just because med school admission criteria are not the same does not mean the material the medical schools cover aren't the same. You are jumping to conclusions.... 🙄

 

[evajaclynn]

Just because med school admission criteria are not the same does not mean the material the medical schools cover aren't the same. You are jumping to conclusions.... 🙄

Agreed! Everyone has to pass USMLE 1,2,3!

 

[kinetic]

Right, so the best thing to do is to compare pass rates and ...uh oh ...no, let's not do that ...

 

[automaton]

... and just because the material covered is the same doesn't mean that medical schools are equal.

 

[kinetic]

What? But I thought Harvard calculus = community college calculus ... 🙁

 

[MadameLULU]

... and just because the material covered is the same doesn't mean that medical schools are equal.

True, more is involved-- access to research, patients, facilities, and the list goes o. I just gave one example, but the OP was implying that admissions critiera makes schools unequal. I don't think that is the case.

 

[Taurus]

I have ben told that all med schools in the US are the basically the same because fo the need to be accredited by a certain licensing body
(LSME i think).

then lookin in Barron's guide to med and dental schools i was surprised to find a med school in DC, Howard Med school in which the avg MCAT for the 2002-2003 class was only 24.7 and avg gpa only 3.0

I haven't yet found other schools with such weak requirements, is this the only anomaly because its a historically african american school or are there other schools like this?

There is a reason why Howard grads are one of the most sued group of docs. 🙄

 

[MadameLULU]

There is a reason why Howard grads are one of the most sued group of docs. 🙄

Do you have valid info on this or are you just repeating stuff that you "heard"/"read" on SDN. Give me a break.

 

[Taurus]

Do you have valid info on this or are you just repeating stuff that you "heard"/"read" on SDN. Give me a break.

The link to the news article is somewhere on SDN. Go find it.

 

[MadameLULU]

The link to the news article is somewhere on SDN. Go find it.

🙄 That's what I thought...No VALID proof.
Edit: If you are going to allege something you should at least provide some sort of evidence. The fact that you can't makes your statement look questionable. In fact, I'm sure it is.

 

[shivalrous]

Med school is what you want to make of it...US News judges by primary care and research....what is it that you want to make out of your medical school experience? If you want to be an FP physician, any medical school will help you reach that goal....if social environment is a big deal for you...go visit the medical schools and mingle with the people and see if you like it.

In many aspects, it's similar to choosing an undergrad. Good luck.

 

[phoenixsupra]

What? But I thought Harvard calculus = community college calculus ... 🙁

Ha ha. It is. Except at harvard 50% of the class is gaurenteed an A. At NYU it's 30%. At a community college it's limited to less than 5%. The actual math is impartial. If I had my choice I'd take it at Harvard. 😉

There's lots of Harvard folks at my school. They're nothing special. 😉

 

[kinetic]

There's lots of Harvard folks at my school. They're nothing special. 😉

They're broke, tho.

 

[phoenixsupra]

I have ben told that all med schools in the US are the basically the same because fo the need to be accredited by a certain licensing body
(LSME i think).

then lookin in Barron's guide to med and dental schools i was surprised to find a med school in DC, Howard Med school in which the avg MCAT for the 2002-2003 class was only 24.7 and avg gpa only 3.0

I haven't yet found other schools with such weak requirements, is this the only anomaly because its a historically african american school or are there other schools like this?

Medschools are not all the same. They're all good though. If I we're in your shoes I'd think about their character/culture/personality more than their numbers. You're picking a place where you're going to live your live for four years. If you're a liberal free thinker (EPICURUS) you probably don't want to end up in a bastion of ultra-conservative button down *****s. Just something to think about. 😉 🙂

 

[stoic]

Do you have valid info on this or are you just repeating stuff that you "heard"/"read" on SDN. Give me a break.

i actually can vouch for this. there was a study that came out in I think 2003 that showed howard, murray, and some caribbean school grads are sued more than average.

as far as the implications of this info.... i agree with kinetic.... lets not go there.

 

[kinetic]

If you're a liberal free thinker (EPICURUS) you probably don't want to end up in a bastion of ultra-conservative button down *****s. Just something to think about. 😉 🙂

On the other hand, if you're a conservative intellect (SUPER-SMART) you also don't want to end up in a bastion of liberal namby-pamby indoctrinated ******s. Consider. 😉

 

[phoenixsupra]

They're broke, tho.

Not all of them. A couple of them are in the disturbingly large group of peeps here who's parents just write a check up front. 😱

 

[phoenixsupra]

On the other hand, if you're a conservative intellect (SUPER-SMART) you also don't want to end up in a bastion of liberal namby-pamby indoctrinated ******s. Consider. 😉

Absolutely. 😀

And if you're unlucky enough to have some rebelious/oppositional blood in you....well you'll just have to change...wherever you go.

 

[MadameLULU]

i actually can vouch for this. there was a study that came out in I think 2003 that showed howard, murray, and some caribbean school grads are sued more than average.

as far as the implications of this info.... i agree with kinetic.... lets not go there.

I'd like to see the study and I can't seem to find it, but anyhow I still feel like people are jumping to conclusions. There are other variables that are important here. In regards to sueing, who cares? We all know how silly a lot of lawsuits are. Just because they were sued doesn't mean ANYTHING. Good grief.

 

[kinetic]

And if you're unlucky enough to have some rebelious/oppositional blood in you....well you'll just have to change...wherever you go.

🙁

😀

 

[shivalrous]

Nothing wrong with having some rebellious blood...helps build character! 😀

 

[phoenixsupra]

Nothing wrong with having some rebellious blood...helps build character! 😀

Ah, there are others out there. 😀 Thanks.

 

[tupac_don]

I have ben told that all med schools in the US are the basically the same because fo the need to be accredited by a certain licensing body
(LSME i think).

then lookin in Barron's guide to med and dental schools i was surprised to find a med school in DC, Howard Med school in which the avg MCAT for the 2002-2003 class was only 24.7 and avg gpa only 3.0

I haven't yet found other schools with such weak requirements, is this the only anomaly because its a historically african american school or are there other schools like this?

I think that most people say med schools are "equal", b/c no matter from what school you graduate you will get an MD. And no matter from what school you graduate you can score high on USMLE and be an excellent doctor. However, in real sense schools are definitely not equal. Some schools and the way they teach are more adaptable to certain students than others. Also some schools have large class sizes others small. Also just the fact that you graduate from Harvard, Yale, Hopkins, opens many doors.

 

[stomper627]

What consitutes an excellent doctor? Or a successful doctor? Is it the amt of money one earns? Is it the lack of malpractice suits? Is it the specialty? What?
stomper

 

[skiz knot]

I have ben told that all med schools in the US are the basically the same because fo the need to be accredited by a certain licensing body
(LSME i think).

then lookin in Barron's guide to med and dental schools i was surprised to find a med school in DC, Howard Med school in which the avg MCAT for the 2002-2003 class was only 24.7 and avg gpa only 3.0

I haven't yet found other schools with such weak requirements, is this the only anomaly because its a historically african american school or are there other schools like this?

sounds like a Troll trying to start some **** on SDN

 

[funkless]

I'd like to see the study and I can't seem to find it, but anyhow I still feel like people are jumping to conclusions. There are other variables that are important here. In regards to sueing, who cares? We all know how silly a lot of lawsuits are. Just because they were sued doesn't mean ANYTHING. Good grief.

It was written up in the Hartford Courant last year.

--Funkless

 

[evines]

I'd like to see the study and I can't seem to find it, but anyhow I still feel like people are jumping to conclusions. There are other variables that are important here. In regards to sueing, who cares? We all know how silly a lot of lawsuits are. Just because they were sued doesn't mean ANYTHING. Good grief.

Well, it means SOMETHING, it just might not be as cut and dry as "they're all bad doctors." I read the news article about the study, and if I remember correctly, a school in West Virginia was also mentioned as graduating docs that are sued at a disproportionate rate.

 

[OzDDS]

I read the news article about the study, and if I remember correctly, a school in West Virginia was also mentioned as graduating docs that are sued at a disproportionate rate.

Prob because West Virginia used be a state that John Edwards use to practice law in.. I don't think this is a reflection of the quality of doctors, maybe just a reflection of the current state of the legal system.

 

[MadameLULU]

Well, it means SOMETHING, it just might not be as cut and dry as "they're all bad doctors." I read the news article about the study, and if I remember correctly, a school in West Virginia was also mentioned as graduating docs that are sued at a disproportionate rate.

It means SOMETHING to those who make it out to be more than it is. How many doctors are sued these days? I would guess more than half, and I would also guess that more than half are frivolous as well. I don't know how reputable the Hartford Courant is, but I question the results if what y'all say is true (again, I haven't read it, and i can't find it in the archives).

 

[EctopicFetus]

Not to add fuel to the fire but.... here is a link on this topic...

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2003/11/17/prsc1117.htm

http://qhc.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/12/5/330

Just so you know it explicitly states that the schools are not named but it does giv e a description of the schools. Newer public universities. So cut out the Howard BS... and get your facts str8 Troll!!

 

[skypilot]

The study published in the Hartford Courant was regarding State Board disciplinary actions not lawsuits. It didn't specify what the disciplinary actions were for. There are lots of counfounding variables.

For instance if a preponderance of the graduates of a certain institution end up in ObGyn they will certainly be sued since ObGyn's are sued frequently.

Also some of the doctors being disciplined may have trained in the 60s. Their medical schools might bear no resemblance today to what they were in the 60s.

 

[Caesars0331]

For all of you that are too lazy, and couldnt punch 3 words into the search engine, try clicking the 3rd thread "med schools to aviod" by ckent.


LINK TO SOURCE

 

[phoenixsupra]

For all of you that are too lazy, and couldnt punch 3 words into the search engine, try clicking the 3rd thread "med schools to aviod" by ckent.


LINK TO SOURCE

I checked it out. Pretty crappy thread. Just the usual pre-med paranoid fears with a dash of racism thrown in. This thread is better IMHO. 🙂 BTW search turns up nothing with the "three words". You need to the author too. One thing I like about this website is that there isn't someone sticking their head into every thread to yell at folks about not using search. Let's keep it that way. 😉 🙂

 

[thewebthsp]

Sounds like a troll thread.

 

[stoic]

this is controversial stuff. it's hard to tread lightly while still giving this particular issue due consideration.

that said ckent is definately not a troll.

 

[JohnHolmes]

Agreed! Everyone has to pass USMLE 1,2,3!

This is one misconception that is particularly vile. The Boards were never intended to be a safety guard for the US public, or a weedout tool.

"Dr. Johnson, one of our students here at State U just sexually assaulted a patient! I am sorry we ever admitted him."

"What are you talking about? He got a 30 on the MCAT, of course he was meant to become a doctor!"

 

[Fermata]

This is one misconception that is particularly vile. The Boards were never intended to be a safety guard for the US public, or a weedout tool.

"Dr. Johnson, one of our students here at State U just sexually assaulted a patient! I am sorry we ever admitted him."

"What are you talking about? He got a 30 on the MCAT, of course he was meant to become a doctor!"

"They ought to have two new requirements for becoming a policeman: intelligence and decency." - George Carlin

 

[medic170]

🙄 That's what I thought...No VALID proof.
Edit: If you are going to allege something you should at least provide some sort of evidence. The fact that you can't makes your statement look questionable. In fact, I'm sure it is.

Thanks for calling him on this. I can't stand it when people make claims with no reference to back them up.

 

[swedcrip]

One thing I know for sure, the cost of attendance isn't equal everywhere.

 

[Doc 2b]

I haven't yet found other schools with such weak requirements, is this the only anomaly because its a historically african american school or are there other schools like this?

Checked out Meharry or Morehouse?

 

[Caesars0331]

I checked it out. Pretty crappy thread. Just the usual pre-med paranoid fears with a dash of racism thrown in. This thread is better IMHO. 🙂 BTW search turns up nothing with the "three words". You need to the author too. One thing I like about this website is that there isn't someone sticking their head into every thread to yell at folks about not using search. Let's keep it that way. 😉 🙂

Howard, malpractice, and newspaper are the terms that would produce that thread. Oh, and NO, you dont need the author!!

The purpose of my post was to link the SDN thread that was referenced a few times on the first page of this current thread. It contains the Baltimore Sun's article that was in question. It appeared nobody was doing their own legwork in order to find that article.

BTW, I couldn't care less what you like or dislike about this forum. 😉 🙂

 

[phoenixsupra]

Howard, malpractice, and newspaper are the terms that would produce that thread. Oh, and NO, you dont need the author!!

The purpose of my post was to link the SDN thread that was referenced a few times on the first page of this current thread. It contains the Baltimore Sun's article that was in question. It appeared nobody was doing their own legwork in order to find that article.

BTW, I couldn't care less what you like or dislike about this forum. 😉 🙂

Those aren't the "key words" you gave. It was a PITA to find. I needed to supplement your origional key words with the author otherwise no dice. Check it out. 😉 It's great to have you doing this 'legwork'. You can be the official SDN gopher. Happy holiday 🙂

 

[Caesars0331]

Those aren't the "key words" you gave. It was a PITA to find. I needed to supplement your origional key words with the author otherwise no dice. Check it out. 😉 It's great to have you doing this 'legwork'. You can be the official SDN gopher. Happy holiday 🙂

Since you need a little extra help, I’ll be happy to guide you along. I had never posted any "key words" in my first post. If you are referring to what appears in quotation marks as the key words, perhaps you should have looked a little closer to see that what I quoted was the title of the thread in question.

Sorry it took you so long to find the thread, I can see now how a task such as that might prove troublesome to you.

These are the facts and they are indisputable; apologize and quite trolling.

 

[phoenixsupra]

For all of you that are too lazy, and couldnt punch 3 words into the search engine, try clicking the 3rd thread "med schools to aviod" by ckent.


LINK TO SOURCE

Eh, this is what I was talking about. If you meant something else then you should have said something else. It's great to offer links to people who might appreciate them. Just quit calling people lazy for not knowing about some obscure thread that you read sometime in the past. 😉 🙂 That's not too hard, is it? 😀