Allcare Closing

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One to go, hopefully Aspen and Heartland are next!

Granted Allcare is probably one of the better corporate chains and served a niche market, I'd be much happier if all the corporate practices shut down. Gotta feel for the patients and staff affected on such short notice.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/AP8f4d2fb9681b46bbb68f31135e84d8ad.html#articleTabs=article

NY-based Allcare dental chain closes unexpectedly
Associated Press

BUFFALO, N.Y. — A New York-based dental chain unexpectedly shut down operations nationwide because of cash-flow problems, leaving patients without access to their records and offices unreachable by phone or computer.

Patients reported going to Allcare Dental & Dentures offices for scheduled appointments beginning Monday only to find the doors closed in states including New York, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and New Hampshire.

Gabe Williams of Dayton, Ohio, said he paid more than $3,000 in advance for dental work but was locked out Monday when he showed up for an appointment that the company had rescheduled from Dec. 30.

After prepaying $750, Lynn Berger found herself in the same situation in Nashua, N.H. Allcare had called in mid-December to move a Dec. 27 appointment to Monday, saying the corporate office had decided to shut down during the holidays.

"They knew they were closing when they were rescheduling," she said Tuesday.

Hundreds of employees, meanwhile, wondered whether they would get paid for hours already worked and whether bonuses promised before Christmas would ever arrive.

"Nobody has any answers to anything. Everybody's lost their job so nobody can help you with anything," said Tara Mongold, who worked at the company's call center in the Buffalo suburb of Clarence for more than three years.

The company operated 52 locations and employed 772 people in 15 states a year ago, the New York attorney general's office said. An employee said closings and consolidations since then had brought the number to about 38 offices at the time of the shutdown.

Allcare executives did not respond to phone messages, and the company's primary website was down.

Notices posted on office doors referred patients to an alternate website, which explained that Allcare could not notify patients of the closing in advance because its phone system and computer network had been abruptly shut down by its network provider.

Patients with dental emergencies were advised to call 911. Patient records and unfinished dental work were being transferred to other dentists, the website said.

A notice from Allcare to the New Hampshire Board of Dental Examiners dated Sunday said "the entire company has run out of money, thus rendering it unable to open for business as usual effective Monday."

On the web posting for consumers, the company said its plans to address financial problems by closing underperforming offices while raising capital from an equity group had fallen through, and that attempts to obtain bridge financing also had failed.

"There are no plans at this time to reopen the offices," the posting said. "We want to assure you that this sudden closing situation was not our intent; it was due to circumstances beyond our control that arose very quickly."

Allcare employees said they'd been put on two-week furloughs to save money in mid-December. Mongold said workers returned to the home office Dec. 27 and worked a full day but were sent home the following morning because the power was out.

"We knew something was going on," Mongold said. "Then on New Year's Eve they gave us a call and said the office was closing."

She expressed little hope of collecting a $400 bonus she said was owed to her.

Incorporated in 2001, Allcare, at one time, had 58 locations.

The New York State Education Department, the dental licensing agency, lists no disciplinary action against Allcare or its principal, Robert Bates of Clarence, a department spokesman said.

Neither Bates nor Chief Executive Officer David Pennington returned calls Tuesday.

In an April 2009 agreement with Pennsylvania Attorney General Tom Corbett, Allcare agreed to pay $135,000 to settle consumer complaints about deceptive advertising and financing information. Allcare said it disagreed with the claims but settled in the interest of patient satisfaction.

In August, the company was among several health care providers that received subpoenas from then-New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo as part of an investigation into high-interest credit cards offered by providers to finance procedures not covered by insurance. It was unknown Tuesday what, if any, effect, the ongoing probe had on Allcare's business. Attorney General Eric Schneiderman's office said it was aware of the shutdown and was looking into it.

"I know companies close down all the time, but I don't want the patient factor to be lost," said Williams in Dayton, who sent a complaint with Ohio's attorney general. "People should be aware of the impact on individuals."

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Associated Press Writers Holly Ramer in Concord, N.H. and Lisa Cornwell in Cincinnati contributed to this report.
—Copyright 2011 Associated Press
 
So what happen to a patient with 6-unit bridge wearing temp or with an unfinished root canal? Are the dentists working there responsible and guilty of patient neglect?


Aspen Dental is in pretty desperate situation, too. I see a huge banner at all the offices for FREE xray/exam and tv ads for $300 denture.
 
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So what happen to a patient with 6-unit bridge wearing temp or with an unfinished root canal? Are the dentists working there responsible and guilty of patient neglect?


Aspen Dental is in pretty desperate situation, too. I see a huge banner at all the offices for FREE xray/exam and tv ads for $300 denture.


Damn right thats neglect. I've always been under the impression if you prep it, you own it.
 
So what happen to a patient with 6-unit bridge wearing temp or with an unfinished root canal? Are the dentists working there responsible and guilty of patient neglect?


Aspen Dental is in pretty desperate situation, too. I see a huge banner at all the offices for FREE xray/exam and tv ads for $300 denture.


How can you afford as a dentist to charge $300 for a denture? Hell, how cheap can you make a denture as far as lab expenses? My low end lab is still going to cost me $200 for a full set. Are these pre-made POS's made of recycled milk bottles?
 
Maybe they send them to China, like those $20 PFM's.
 
How can you afford as a dentist to charge $300 for a denture? Hell, how cheap can you make a denture as far as lab expenses? My low end lab is still going to cost me $200 for a full set. Are these pre-made POS's made of recycled milk bottles?

i had an aspen dental open up next door about a year ago, and they heavily advertised they're $300 denture. at first i was a little scared as i work in a area with a lot of snow birds (ie; lots of dentures) and i charge $850. after a while i had a few patients come from them and they all told me the same thing; you walk in wanting a $300 denture and they will do all they can to move you away from that denture into a $1000 denture. from what i understand the $300 denture is a pre made denture; they find the best fitting one in your mouth and then reline it! i couldnt believe it. and these older people do not like to be assaulted with sales pitches; and from what they tell me everybody there is selling them something; from the office manager, assistants to the hygienist. not sad at all that they're outta business. good riddance
 
i had an aspen dental open up next door about a year ago, and they heavily advertised they're $300 denture. at first i was a little scared as i work in a area with a lot of snow birds (ie; lots of dentures) and i charge $850. after a while i had a few patients come from them and they all told me the same thing; you walk in wanting a $300 denture and they will do all they can to move you away from that denture into a $1000 denture. from what i understand the $300 denture is a pre made denture; they find the best fitting one in your mouth and then reline it! i couldnt believe it. and these older people do not like to be assaulted with sales pitches; and from what they tell me everybody there is selling them something; from the office manager, assistants to the hygienist. not sad at all that they're outta business. good riddance

Hell, I think $850 is cheap. Considering the potential chairtime and pain some denture patients can be, unless you absolutely love doing them Id have my fee set higher. We do a set for $3000. Of course this is premium teeth, premiuim festooning, etc.. Maybe only do one or two a month, but Id rather be cutting teeth. Aspen seem like a typical sleazy mill operation to me. I rarely have heard anyhting positive.
 
Aspen seem like a typical sleazy mill operation to me. I rarely have heard anyhting positive.


Aspen to the rescue! What a bunch of diarrhea.


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Allcare Dental abruptly closes
Wednesday, January 5, 2011 02:53 AM
By Tracy Turner
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Allcare Dental & Dentures, a New York-based dental chain with offices in Ohio and 12 other states -- including in Columbus -- has closed without notice, leaving its patients without access to their records and for services and products that in some cases already had been purchased.

The Ohio State Dental Board and the state attorney general's office are looking into the matter, and at least one national dental chain is hoping to lend a hand to Allcare's clients in Ohio.

A letter posted on a company website, www.allcareinfo.com, said the company closed operations and is trying to transfer patient records and unfinished dental work to dentists "located as close as possible to the Allcare offices that are now closed." The letter said the company explained its decision to close, noting it was "severely cash constrained and had no way to continue to operate going forward." It said efforts to raise money from an equity group had failed.

The Ohio State Dental Board has received complaints from consumers regarding the closing of the 38 Allcare offices statewide, including the two Columbus locations on W. Broad Street and E. Livingston Avenue.

Lili C. Reitz, the board's executive director, said company owner Robert Bates contacted the board and said the company was working to get consumers access to their patient records and referrals to other dentists.

Repeated calls to Bates were not returned.

Reitz said the state board could revoke the company's license and will forward the complaints to the attorney general's office.

Officials there know of the situation and have fielded complaints, but Kim Kowalski, a spokeswoman, could not say whether the office was officially investigating Allcare Dental.

Kowalski said unhappy customers can file a complaint by calling 1-800-282-0515 or visiting www

.speakoutohio.gov.

In central Ohio, Allcare patients are being welcomed by Aspen Dental, which said it is offering them discounted dental care and free new-patient exams at its more than 30 Ohio locations.

"It's a very difficult time for patients, especially those in the middle of treatment," said Aspen spokeswoman Kasey Pickett. "We're doing anything we can to ease the stress for those patients who are in a tough bind right now, even those who can't get access to their dental records."

Rose Spence is one of those patients.

The 74-year-old South Side resident went to the Allcare office on W. Broad Street yesterday expecting to pick up the dentures that cost her $2,800.

But she was instead met with a locked door.

"I don't know what I'm going to do," Spence said. "I can't eat without my teeth."

Mary Dobos is in a similar situation. The 90-year-old Northwest Side resident said the set of dentures she just bought from Allcare don't fit and cause her pain. She said she was scheduled to have them adjusted this week.

"I'll have to take them someplace else to get them fixed, but it's going to cost me more money," she said. "But I also feel sorry for the company, because it means that there will be so many people left without jobs."

Hundreds of employees wondered whether they would get paid for hours already worked and whether bonuses promised before Christmas would arrive.

"Nobody has any answers to anything. Everybody's lost their job, so nobody can help you with anything," said Tara Mongold, who worked at the company's call center in suburban Buffalo, N.Y., for more than three years. About 110 people were employed there, she said yesterday.

Information from the Associated Press was included in this story.

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If you charge anything less than $1000 a unit for an arch you're crazy. If you charge anything less than 800 an arch, you might be a PPO provider. If you charge less than $500 an arch, you are a medicaid provider.

Put two and two together. There is not very much difference between a $500 and a $2500 denture patient... in fact, the less they pay often are the worse they are.
 
If you charge anything less than $1000 a unit for an arch you're crazy. If you charge anything less than 800 an arch, you might be a PPO provider. If you charge less than $500 an arch, you are a medicaid provider.

Put two and two together. There is not very much difference between a $500 and a $2500 denture patient... in fact, the less they pay often are the worse they are.

i hear ya.. i just bought the practice a year ago; and thought the prices were too low but didnt want to rock the boat; but should be raising prices soon. my ideal price is $1K/arch and hope to be there by the summer. but ya i'm definitely a PPO provider only; no HMO's or medicaid
 
i hear ya.. i just bought the practice a year ago; and thought the prices were too low but didnt want to rock the boat; but should be raising prices soon. my ideal price is $1K/arch and hope to be there by the summer. but ya ii'm definitely a PPO provider only; no HMO's or medicaid


I used to work at Allcare and loved the we worked there. It was very unfortunate for it to get shutdown. It was in financial difficulties employees could feel it in last few months.
As far as free exams and x-rays are concerned it. Its always been the marketing strategy for these franchises. As far as denture costs are concerned yes the cheapest we have sold is 199 per arch during promos(I guess its a perk when u process ur own dentures). The high ends were really state of the art(high density heat injected-best quality Ivoclar teeth with lingualized occlusion) and u wouldn't believe until u see them - I never did.
Even though the office have been closed patients that I know personally called and felt bad for it. I really feel bad for the patients who trusted the company in good faith and prepaid for the services...and now might not get them.
Patients couldn't be informed in advance since the company that provides the phone and the networking services had shutdown both and there was no way to get the info. As far as finances are concerned Allcare paid the employees fully.
At this moment Allcare is trying to divert the patients to the nearby clinics so the cases can be delivered and treatment rendered. Dentists in area are happy to welcome this new patient traffic to their offices.
The difference between Allcare and Aspen is ..Allcare's all 58 offices were owned by only one person whereas Aspen is a corporation with more than 200 offices and many more in the pipeline have investors to pour in $$ when needed so my opinion would be its not going anywhere.
I guess the problem @ Allcare was with the financial management who created a big bubble and the owners never got to know the real situation till the last few months.
Well this what I could share so the dentist community know a little more into what's happening with Allcare. I said everything in my personnel capacity and do not represent if there is another version by the company.
 
I used to work at Allcare and loved the we worked there. It was very unfortunate for it to get shutdown.

👍 Thank you for posting!

It's kinda sad because from my experiences in practice (and talking with many other people), Allcare was one of the "better" corporate gigs... if you like removable. In-house lab with good techs and simple dentistry to everyday people. Anybody who has done enough dentures will tell you that it tries the patience and weighs on the soul some days. Want to do full mouth rehabs? Start with lots of dentures... all the basic restorative principles start there. If you can handle denture patients all day long, you can do anything in dentistry.

I guess it proves to you that the snakes out there (Aspen, Western, Heartland) will be around a long time because they frankly watch their books a little closer. Then again, have hope, nothing is "too big to fail" 👍
 
Aspen is offering 30% off on dentures to any new patient who "claims" to be an ex-allcare patient.

Also, the owners of allcare and aspen were initially one corporation, but divided due to different philosophies. Aspen builds new offices from revenue their other locations produce, while allcare acquired individual business loans for each new office.
 
👍 Thank you for posting!

It's kinda sad because from my experiences in practice (and talking with many other people), Allcare was one of the "better" corporate gigs... if you like removable. Inj-house lab with good techs and simple dentistry to everyday people. Anybody who has done enough dentures will tell you that it tries the patience and weighs on the soul some days. Want to do foull mouth rehabs? Start with lots of dentures... all the basic restorative principles start there. If you can handle denture patients all day long, you can do anything in dentistry.

I guess it proves to you that the snakes out there (Aspen, Western, Heartland) will be around a long time because they frankly watch their books a little closer. Then again, have hope, nothing is "too big to fail" 👍[
 
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Aspen is offering 30% off on dentures to any new patient who "claims" to be an ex-allcare patient.

Also, the owners of allcare and aspen were initially one corporation, but divided due to different philosophies. Aspen builds new offices from revenue their other locations produce, while allcare acquired individual business loans for each new office.

That's true Allcare evolved from Aspen...Allcare's owner used to work as MCD and his partner as office manager to start with. Aspen made smart move to divert similar targets to their offices(bothAllcare & Aspen specialize in dentures).
 
One to go, hopefully Aspen and Heartland are next!

Granted Allcare is probably one of the better corporate chains and served a niche market, I'd be much happier if all the corporate practices shut down. Gotta feel for the patients and staff affected on such short notice.

Mike, you're douche and always will be. Was a nerd in dental school and will never earn any respect in our profession if any SDNer knows you personally. Hiding behind an internet forum trying to contribute, but can't and attempt to rip on others.

If your sorry scrony butt can't compete with corporate dentistry, then that's your lost! I know personally multiple Aspen, AllCare, and Heartland doctors can take you to school in clinical excellence! Lets recall, you didn't do too hot in dental school so don't try to sound that you're all that!

If you have nothing nice to say, then don't say at all. You being quiet, won't hurt this forum.🙄
 
Mike, you're douche and always will be. Was a nerd in dental school and will never earn any respect in our profession if any SDNer knows you personally. Hiding behind an internet forum trying to contribute, but can't and attempt to rip on others.

If your sorry scrony butt can't compete with corporate dentistry, then that's your lost! I know personally multiple Aspen, AllCare, and Heartland doctors can take you to school in clinical excellence! Lets recall, you didn't do too hot in dental school so don't try to sound that you're all that!

If you have nothing nice to say, then don't say at all. You being quiet, won't hurt this forum.🙄

Speaking of douche, whos hiding behind an internet forum and making personal attacks? Its one thing to have an opinion about corporate dentistry, and one is entitled to that. But is it necessary and mature to make personal attacks? Why dont you take your single post a crawl back under the rock you just came from. Corporate dentistry has a reputation for a reason.
 
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