Am I considered URM?

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You're definitely not URM for admissions purposes. Furthermore, refusing to state your gender for purely strategic regions is ridiculous, and won't help you. There is no more female affirmative action, women make roughtly 50% of most medical school student bodies, and get in with equivalent stats.

I understand what you're feeling -- that sometimes desperate need to maximize your chances at admission in this highly competitive process. But please stop trying to game the system, it won't help. Sometimes we just need to accept that certain circumstances aren't in our favor for admissions purposes (eg, if someone is ORM), but that there is always a way to succeed in spite of this.
 
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WedgeDawg said:
Whatever you put in this situation is unlikely to make any tangible difference to your application outcome.
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I am reluctant to mention anything that may make me seem like a white male; I believe it is not the best feature to mention at this time. I would like to know if presenting oneself as a non-white Tartar male is a safer option for a medical school applicant.
 
TheEugenius said:
I am reluctant to mention anything that may make me seem like a white male; I believe it is not the best feature to mention at this time. I would like to know if presenting oneself as a non-white Tartar male is a safer option for a medical school applicant.
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What are your statistics? Do you identify as a tartar male?
 
TheEugenius said:
I am reluctant to mention anything that may make me seem like a white male; I believe it is not the best feature to mention at this time. I would like to know if presenting oneself as a non-white Tartar male is a safer option for a medical school applicant.
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It will look like you are trying to game the system.
Tell us who you are without the spin.

The UiM designation is used to address healthcare disparities. Is there an unmet need for Tartar healthcare in the US?

People of different backgrounds provide depth and complexity to a class. You can provide that as a Caucasian (or Asian) man with your interesting background. There is no need for obfuscation. The appearance of spin can be distasteful.
 
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Otkuda ty?

are you Tajik? Uzbek? Kazakh? Krygyz? Azerbaijani? need more details. Turkic is a broad category, are you from Tatarstan?
 
TheEugenius said:
As I mentioned in the OP, I do not know what my true background is, but I am merely speculating
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Your application is not the place for such speculation.
Your experience of this ambiguity is real, though. If it played a part in your decision to pursue medicine, you will have ample opportunity to explain it. There is no need for spin. You already have actual content!
 
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TheEugenius said:
Ya iz Kazakstana
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ya dumayu shto vy dolzhny napisat "kazakh". ne pishi "asian". You can select "other" and write in "Kazakh". most medical schools (or americans) havent even heard of Kazakhs and I'm sure they'd wanna find out more/increase diversity. Definitely a plus

btw, my grandpa was born in Kazakhstan 🙂
 
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ya dumayu shto vy dolzhny napisat "kazakh". ne pishi "asian". You can select "other" and write in "Kazakh". most medical schools (or americans) havent even heard of Kazakhs and I'm sure they'd wanna find out more/increase diversity. Definitely a plus

btw, my grandpa was born in Kazakhstan 🙂
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Spasibo za sovet. I have heard of certain Asian groups being ORM, and I am worried that they may place Kazakhstan under that category nevertheless.
 
My favorite rug was born in Kazakhstan --

You legitimately bring diversity, and can honestly sell a persecuted minority immigrant experience, but if you're male, you're white male, so not racially URM. If your sex or gender identity is ambiguous, that also adds legitimate diversity, but should be something you're open to discussing in your interviews and be supported by relevant ECs if you want to go that route.
 
DokterMom said:
My favorite rug was born in Kazakhstan --

You legitimately bring diversity, and can honestly sell a persecuted minority immigrant experience, but if you're male, you're white male, so not racially URM. If your sex or gender identity is ambiguous, that also adds legitimate diversity, but should be something you're open to discussing in your interviews and be supported by relevant ECs if you want to go that route.
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It was a difficulty because of the fall of the Soviet Union. However, I am still confused as to whether or not Kazakhstan, being an Asian country, would be considered an ORM.
 
TheEugenius said:
It was a difficulty because of the fall of the Soviet Union. However, I am still confused as to whether or not Kazakhstan, being an Asian country, would be considered an ORM.
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I'm thinking the question is more in the racially Asian sense than in the technically geographically Asian sense, and you know Americans and our geography...
 
DokterMom said:
I'm thinking the question is more in the racially Asian sense than in the technically geographically Asian sense, and you know Americans and our geography...
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That is the problem. I am not inclined to mention 'Asian' in the ethnic/cultural background selection, but rather 'Kazakh'. Although this may be another problem altogether because it is still an Asian country.
 
TheEugenius said:
I was born in a former Soviet country, and my family history over the course of the Communism reign has been 'forgotten' as it was sometimes dangerous to mention who one was. It was never passed down.

I believe I may be from the Tartars/Turkic race, which I may put. However, there are several options I can put down (Indo-European, Uralic, etc.) as they are all speculative in the first place.

Furthermore, the account registration form for the AAMC is asking about the gender. Is it advantageous to put "decline to answer"? I am a male, and in North America I have learned what is called Affirmative Action, and if you are a white male, regardless of what your actual history is, you are put in a disadvantage. I would like to circumvent it if possible (as it seems to be so). What is the best option, and is Turkic/Gender-Unknown the best URM combination?

Thank you

Edit: I would like to add one thing. I have had relative who were physicians. Shall it be an advantage to mention them? Or is it best not to?

Thanks again
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You can try to mess with the check-boxes all you want, it's really not gonna matter when they read your name and see your picture. That said, I think it's reasonable to say "decline to state" or "unknown" or whatever that box would be if you're genuinely unsure of your ancestry.
 
TheEugenius said:
How so?
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You have had this explained to you now multiple times in this thread. You are clearly trying to game the system for your benefit. It is patently obvious to anyone with a smidgen of common sense.

We all get it, you want an edge in this process. You are ORM because you fit the definition of ORM. While you can always check different boxes to tag your app as URM, once people actually read your app, any advantage gained will be lost and you will turn off many and harm your application.
 
mimelim said:
You have had this explained to you now multiple times in this thread. You are clearly trying to game the system for your benefit. It is patently obvious to anyone with a smidgen of common sense.

We all get it, you want an edge in this process. You are ORM because you fit the definition of ORM. While you can always check different boxes to tag your app as URM, once people actually read your app, any advantage gained will be lost and you will turn off many and harm your application.
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I will ask you again.

Tell me please. How am I ORM?
 
mimelim said:
You have had this explained to you now multiple times in this thread. You are clearly trying to game the system for your benefit. It is patently obvious to anyone with a smidgen of common sense.

We all get it, you want an edge in this process. You are ORM because you fit the definition of ORM. While you can always check different boxes to tag your app as URM, once people actually read your app, any advantage gained will be lost and you will turn off many and harm your application.
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TheEugenius said:
I will ask you again.

Tell me please. How am I ORM?
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mimelim said:
You seem to have deleted your other thread. URM/ORM have defibitions:

https://www.aamc.org/initiatives/urm/

The only question is, are Kazakhs underrepresented relative to their proportion of the US population.
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here you go
 
TheEugenius said:
Because I would like to get into medical school
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Your efforts in this endeavor are surely appreciated by this man who used to go by the name Vijay
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TheEugenius said:
I will ask you again.

Tell me please. How am I ORM?
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Because you are not from a systemically disadvantaged background that has a lack of representation in American medicine (e.g. racial minorities or LGBT identities). If you try and game the system by entering yourself as URM without any substantial background in either of these, upon showing up to an interview they will most likely find out that you were misleading (at best) or lying (at worst) on your application. You won't make it in that case.

Also, look at the URM posting from AAMC that mimelim shared, it will serve you well in this.
 
TheEugenius said:
in North America I have learned what is called Affirmative Action, and if you are a white male, regardless of what your actual history is, you are put in a disadvantage.
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LOL. Stop.

Race alone won't get you accepted or rejected from medical school. It's also about sooooo many other things, that we actually can control, so focus on those. I see you didn't ask any questions about if your EC, gpa or mcat are strong enough. But, you asking strangers to help you find your identity at this age is sure to make you seem the opposite of confident when it comes up at your interviews.
 
TheEugenius said:
I will ask you again.

Tell me please. How am I ORM?
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Okay.

You are ORM because you identify as Kazakh. Is that simple enough for you? I have given you the single authority on this, the AAMC's website on this topic. As previously stated, your case is not even remotely borderline.

Are you really having this much trouble comprehending or just didn't get the answer you wanted?
 
mimelim said:
Okay.

You are ORM because you identify as Kazakh. Is that simple enough for you? I have given you the single authority on this, the AAMC's website on this topic. As previously stated, your case is not even remotely borderline.

Are you really having this much trouble comprehending or just didn't get the answer you wanted?
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I asked for an explanation.
 
Écureuil said:
Because you are not from a systemically disadvantaged background that has a lack of representation in American medicine (e.g. racial minorities or LGBT identities). If you try and game the system by entering yourself as URM without any substantial background in either of these, upon showing up to an interview they will most likely find out that you were misleading (at best) or lying (at worst) on your application. You won't make it in that case.

Also, look at the URM posting from AAMC that mimelim shared, it will serve you well in this.
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Lol, don't say that! He might suddenly claim to be gay. Us gays don't want him either.
 
OchemOficionado said:
LOL. Stop.

Race alone won't get you accepted or rejected from medical school. It's also about sooooo many other things, that we actually can control, so focus on those. I see you didn't ask any questions about if your EC, gpa or mcat are strong enough. But, you asking strangers to help you find your identity at this age is sure to make you seem the opposite of confident when it comes up at your interviews.
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He didn't say it will get him accepted or rejected, just put at a disadvantage.
 
OchemOficionado said:
I didn't say he said it would. I just made a statement. It isn't the biggest factor in the admissions process and it won't be the factor that gets him rejected, assuming he can put an application together.
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:banana::corny: okay cool!
 
TheEugenius said:
I asked for an explanation.
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Have you read the AAMC website?

I'm not going to lie, whenever I read applications from now on, I'll keep a special eye out for the URM Kazakh that doesn't want to disclose their gender.

Just in case you are actually incapable of basic reading comprehension and logic, here:

You identify as Kazakh. Kazakh's are not under represented in the US health care system relative to their population within the US Healthcare system. Therefore you do not fit the definition of URM. Since there is no third option, if you aren't URM, you are ORM. Therefore, you are ORM.

If you don't understand athe this point, you have far bigger issues holding back a medical school acceptance than your URM/ORM status.
 
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