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AMCAS and dishonesty

Discussion in 'Nontraditional Students' started by burntcrispy, Feb 23, 2007.

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  1. burntcrispy

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    I was looking at the above thread and wanted to post this but it is locked.

    DO NOT LIE on AMCAS accedemic work. I personally know of someone who did this and got kicked out of medschool in their 4th year!!!!!! This was a student who made excellent grades in medical school and scored 99th percentile on Step one of the boards (comparable to very high 30s/low 40s on MCAT). None of that mattered. That student was found to be dishonest and got kicked out. Now this student is stuck with tons of loans and no medical school in the country will take this student after being dishonest. After you are accepted to medical school your previous academic work will still be scrutinized. It is not worth it. AT ALL!!!!!!

    Point: DO NOT LIE.
     
  2. Creightonite

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    what did he/she lie about? Even if we wanted to lie about about classesgrades, AMCAS still checkes with the official transcripts and everything.
     
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    Only if you send those transripts.

    Unfortunately the other thread was locked, but how would AMCAS or AACOMAS find out about someCC college work? Suppouse you never took out any loans, and just paid out of pocket. And no degree was ever granted to you. Now, I'm not sugguesting to anyone to lie but rather playing a devil's advocate here.
     
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  4. spicedmanna

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    I suspect this thread will be closed as well, for the same reasons listed in the first. Let's not entertain this subject any longer. It was more than adequately addressed in the first thread. However, FWIW:

     
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  5. ExtremeUnderdog

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    I will venture a guess that few people posting in these forums are as desperate as I am (first undergrad GPA 2.1 with 130+ credits, virtually useless grad GPA of 3.85, expired MCAT, stepping foot on the road to a second undergrad degree, preparing myself for the very real possibility of having to do an SMP after that (provided I can get into one), and not discounting the possibility that my first undergrad may keep me out of US schools despite all my efforts), so it is utterly surprising to me that so many people are willing to discuss ways in which the AMCAS rules can be circumvented and consequences if those circumventions are discovered. Have we been pounded down and reduced to this by the ruthless machine that is med school admissions?

    Honestly, I ask myself: If I knew for a fact that AMCAS would never find out, would I not report my first undergrad degree?
    Then I ask myself: When I do become a doctor, if I could be certain that I would not be found out, would I sell prescriptions for psychoactive drugs on the black market?
    Then I must inevitably ask myself: If I knew for a fact that I would never be discovered, would I crack a bank database and route money to my off-shore account? (This would be far more elegant than walking in and trying to rob them.:cool:)

    Why are we entertaining this line of reasoning? Where does it stop?

    (OK, it's late, I'm here because I am procrastinating (bonus points for anyone who had figured out the "Pet Vacuumer" reference), and I might have stumbled onto a soap box... :oops: )
     
  6. spicedmanna

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    :laugh: I like you. I find your posts most entertaining and poignant.

    I tried to think of something clever to say, but alas, your eloquence is so striking that it creates the thought in me that nothing further needs to be added to perfection.

    Nevertheless, I think the answer to your riddle is simple: it stops here, right now, with a conscious choice to be and live in integrity.
     
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    Sorry for rehashing a subject that has been extensively discussed. I'm on call tonight and am bored to death so I was browsing SDN. I was a non trad like you guys so every now and then I'll look around and see what's going on in the non-trad world. Seems like a million years ago when I think back on the process but when I read some of these threads I still feel queasy about all of the stress that I had to deal with during the whole pre-med, MCAT, interview, etc. phase.

    I just wanted to post this because I've seen what can happen first hand. The student I posted about was a great person, very well liked in the class and hard working. This student made a poor choice by lying in the app process and now is paying dearly. Basically this student has gone through most of medical school, taken over 100K in loans with nothing to show for it. Furthermore, this student will not be able to get into any medical school in the country.

    Believe me, medical school is very tough, stressful and will just leave you feeling beaten up and emotionally drained. It isn't a process you would want to go through twice and it is definately not somthing you would want to go through to end up with nothing to show for it.

    I was in a similiar situation that alot of you are in. I had to fight a major uphill battle of overcoming a low GPA. It can be done without any dishonesty. You just have to do the best you can in your classes, try to do the best you can on the MCAT and then apply broadly. Take it from someone who was once in your shoes, it can be done!!!

    Good luck.
     
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    Hello,

    I do not want to create more discussion on the subject, but I visited the site www.studentclearinghouse.org. While reading the FAQ it became **very** clear that what ?DreamsRMadeOf said about her experience with the site does not correspond to the truth. The site does not have information in every school, you have to pay a fee for each school you want to verify, and you need the student consent to make a specific search.


     
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    What if someone went to a foreign medical school (Caribbean or European), didn't do that well. This person withdrew with some WPs and WFs on the transcipt but wants to get brand new start in life. The school was foreign but well-known in the States, cuz clinical rotations are in U.S. I'm not trolling, and only asking a hypothetical question. Should one still report it? My guess is Yes, Yes, and Yes. Will AMCAS or ACOMAS find out? May be, may be not. But the risk of not getting in because of this experience outweighs the risk of loosing it all in a split second, IMHO.
    Any takers?
     
  10. spicedmanna

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    I will not answer these types of questions any longer. I quote tkim, a moderator:

    MODS: Please close this thread.
     
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    It pains me to see the younger and maybe some older people here that think it's ok to lie ..........ends justify the means.......................no it is never ok to lie I said it over and over in this thread

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=371052

    One day or in some other way you will get caught then everything will be flushed down the toilet, your integrity, your self respect and respect of others as well as your practice or continuing on the path.

    How many believe the former president did not inhale?
    How many believe he did not cheat on his wife?

    If the answer is yes then you are gullible

    It is human nature and it is up to us to rise above that

    Look at the Licensing laws in the states many say "Of good moral character"

    How can you be that if you lie to get into school?

    Good Luck to all and yes close this thread it disgusts me that there are still others who do not get it, maybe there should be sticky about Lying on the APP ? :luck:
     
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    Yes! I agree. I hope nobody on this forum takes my post the wrong way. I never adviced anyone to lie. One guy I know was thinking about "just skipping" his foreign medical school adventure. He never graduated. In fact, never even took any finals to make it passed or failed course. He just quit the school. So, since there is no academic credit involved he is thinking "why bother?". It was a while ago, and far, far away :idea: . He already paid for it in terms of loans, and wans to start from scratch. My take on it....................BAD IDEA>>>>>>>>>>PERIOD!!!!! But hey,that's me. I believe instructions on AMCAS are quite clear. Got turn it in good or bad. But the guy is scared of blowing his chance of getting in. My question to him was What about residency, if you make it that far. What about license application? I think somebody on these threads already said that a student made it to MSIV, and got screwed:scared: with all this debt :eek: . Anyway buddy, if you reading it just take it for all its worth :idea:

    Peace
     
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    There are so many what if's, many doctors get sued, and sometimes the attorneys dig up all kind of info on you, what then when they find out you lied about your past? You see it on the new all the time that someone lied about grades and diplomas, I think this is so bad, I just can't begin to fathom.
     
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    Closing.
     
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