AMCAS GPA error in my favor?

[moneytree]

---

Members do not see this ad.

The AMCAS verifier changed the course type for a failed chem class to a foreign language?! 👍

This gives me a 0.1(!) sGPA bump, but am I responsible for telling AMCAS about their mistake? 😕

 

[Osteoth]

Nope, take it and run!

 

[moneytree]

Nope, take it and run!

What if it gets noticed during an interview? Play dumb?

 

[Praefectus]

What if it gets noticed during an interview? Play dumb?

Yes. You never noticed it since you're not responsible for the verification process.

 

[Nandrolone]

What if it gets noticed during an interview? Play dumb?

if it's a failed grade, then yes, it will catch the committee's attention..which might delay the app, and yes, it is likely that a failed medical pre-req will get brought up during an interview.

However......It isn't your fault, and if that .05 helps you make it through the screens, then go for it... but don't play dumb in an interview, ask him to see the primary and then acknowledge THEIR error..because after all, it wasn't your fault.

 

[moneytree]

Yes. You never noticed it since you're not responsible for the verification process.

Actually, this is in notification email you get after the app is processed.

You are required to review your verified course work and GPA. If you find discrepancies, or you disagree with changes made during the verification process, you are responsible for submitting an Academic Change Request within ten days from the date AMCAS processing is complete.

 

[moneytree]

if it's a failed grade, then yes, it will catch the committee's attention..which might delay the app, and yes, it is likely that a failed medical pre-req will get brought up during an interview.

However......It isn't your fault, and if that .05 helps you make it through the screens, then go for it... but don't play dumb in an interview, ask him to see the primary and then acknowledge THEIR error..because after all, it wasn't your fault.

This wasn't a prereq. It was physical chem. And yes, the 0.05 pushes me to the next tenth so I think it'll help.

 

[mehc012]

Actually, this is in notification email you get after the app is processed.

In that case, I'd notify them. 0.05 won't make or break you. Neither will 'missing' the mistake, but really, why make it complicated and try to fudge it?

It's not crucial either way, so I guess just do whatever you're most comfortable with.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Actually, this is in notification email you get after the app is processed.

Well, you didn't check their verification. It's like ToS and privacy statements. No one reads those! I would t even worry about it, it's not your fault.

Do you think you deserve an interview? If yes, this discrepancy might make the difference between what you think you deserve and what ADCOMs think.

 

[Praefectus]

Actually, this is in notification email you get after the app is processed.

I looked over my grades after they verified me, but I never really read that part in the e-mail. All that mattered was the verification confirmation haha

 

[moneytree]

In that case, I'd notify them. 0.05 won't make or break you. Neither will 'missing' the mistake, but really, why make it complicated and try to fudge it?

It's not crucial either way, so I guess just do whatever you're most comfortable with.

I calculated wrong. It really boosts my sGPA by 0.1... I fixed the OP to reflect this.

Well, you didn't check their verification. It's like ToS and privacy statements. No one reads those! I would t even worry about it, it's not your fault.

Do you think you deserve an interview? If yes, this discrepancy might make the difference between what you think you deserve and what ADCOMs think.

I think its also in one of the boxes you check when certifying the app. Doesn't everyone think they deserve an interview? Even the below 3.0 people think they deserve an interview at Harvard. 🙄

 

[kpcrew]

I think you have to send in your final transcripts in the event of an acceptance. If they notice the discrepancy...

 

[mehc012]

I think you have to send in your final transcripts in the event of an acceptance. If they notice the discrepancy...

The discrepancy only exists on the AMCAS; it's between the course title and the designation. The transcript wouldn't show anything new.

If it's a grade that is in line with the rest, it doesn't matter one way or another. Since it sounds like it is a noticeably poor grade, they will likely note the discrepancy and realize that the sGPA is higher than it ought to be. While I don't think that would necessarily hurt the OP (I'm sure AMCAS messes up enough that they've seen it before), I just don't think that it will actually help them, since the grade will stand out on its own. In that case, why leave it complicated and risk the (admittedly very small) chance that they'll be upset at the error?

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

I think its also in one of the boxes you check when certifying the app. Doesn't everyone think they deserve an interview? Even the below 3.0 people think they deserve an interview at Harvard. 🙄

That's my point! You obviously think you deserve the interview so take the error in your favor and run with it. This might be your break you NEED to get into medical school and the realization of your dreams.

 

[NickNaylor]

Well, you didn't check their verification. It's like ToS and privacy statements. No one reads those! I would t even worry about it, it's not your fault.

Do you think you deserve an interview? If yes, this discrepancy might make the difference between what you think you deserve and what ADCOMs think.

That doesn't mean you're not responsible when you get called on it... you can't plead ignorance when you're sent an e-mail detailing that this is your responsibility. Well, you can, but it's not going to go over so well I bet.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

That doesn't mean you're not responsible when you get called on it... you can't plead ignorance when you're sent an e-mail detailing that this is your responsibility. Well, you can, but it's not going to go over so well I bet.

I mean, do you really think the individual school is going to recalculate your science GPA? If you have a ton of science classes I bet the difference of .1 is difficult to eyeball. It still said he failed the class, which will probably be more o a problem than the sGPA thing.

I think pleading ignorance is pretty easy in this case....

 

[Freesia88]

I'm sorry to be another do gooder party pooper here...but lets switch things around. If AMCAS had made an error which decreased his GPA by 0.1, or gave him a failing grade in a class he passed (even with a C) he probably will be screaming bloody murder.

Integrity anyone?

 

[Richard Dawkins]

I'm sorry to be another do gooder party pooper here...but lets switch things around. If AMCAS had made an error which decreased his GPA by 0.1, or gave him a failing grade in a class he passed (even with a C) he probably will be screaming bloody murder.

Integrity anyone?

integrity schmintegrity...this is war

 

[NickNaylor]

I mean, do you really think the individual school is going to recalculate your science GPA? If you have a ton of science classes I bet the difference of .1 is difficult to eyeball. It still said he failed the class, which will probably be more o a problem than the sGPA thing.

I think pleading ignorance is pretty easy in this case....

Glad to see you have integrity. And yes, actually, if someone looks at his transcript and sees that a class with a title that is clearly a chemistry course but is classified as a foreign language course, it's going to get noticed.

 

[Freesia88]

integrity schmintegrity...this is war

No kiddin' 😀

 

[moneytree]

Glad to see you have integrity. And yes, actually, if someone looks at his transcript and sees that a class with a title that is clearly a chemistry course but is classified as a foreign language course, it's going to get noticed.

Hey. YOU JUST CLEARED 10,000.

 

[NickNaylor]

Hey. YOU JUST CLEARED 10,000.

Yup - and glad to say that this was #10k: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12920867&postcount=32

 

[dmf2682]

Yup - and glad to say that this was #10k: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12920867&postcount=32

Droll.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

I'm suggesting that this has nothing to do with integrity. The OP believes he deserves an interview. Because he thinks this, it doesn't matter what his GPA says, and how it says it. If this discrepancy is the difference between an interview or not, then it shouldn't matter. The GPA is irrelevant because he believes he deserves an interview.

 

[NickNaylor]

I'm suggesting that this has nothing to do with integrity. The OP believes he deserves an interview. Because he thinks this, it doesn't matter what his GPA says, and how it says it. If this discrepancy is the difference between an interview or not, then it shouldn't matter. The GPA is irrelevant because he believes he deserves an interview.

😕

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

😕

Haha okay, that post made no sense. Lol

I'm saying that the OP shouldn't care about his GPA because he thinks he deserves an interview. This may be an avenue to get him an interview.

The school may not grant him an interview with his lower (real) GPA even though he deserves one. With his new (fake) GPA he will get his opportunity to prove himself.

Summary: even with his real GPA he thinks he deserves an interview, but the school may overlook him. It's not about his GPA, but what he believes.

 

[mehc012]

Haha okay, that post made no sense. Lol

I'm saying that the OP shouldn't care about his GPA because he thinks he deserves an interview. This may be an avenue to get him an interview.

The school may not grant him an interview with his lower (real) GPA even though he deserves one. With his new (fake) GPA he will get his opportunity to prove himself.

Summary: even with his real GPA he thinks he deserves an interview, but the school may overlook him. It's not about his GPA, but what he believes.

You're right! I totally deserve an interview, so I faked my whole app and said I had a 4.0 and a 43 (gotta make it believable), and I DID get one! But it's OK, cuz I thought I deserved an interview, so I'm not being dishonest. I honestly believe that I deserve more of a chance than other people who worked just as hard as me!

Or not. I mean, come on, you can't just Thomas the Tank Engine your way through apps...at some point it comes down to more than just what you believe, and belief sure as hell doesn't mitigate dishonesty.

 

[Freesia88]

I still can't wrap my brain around the idea that some people seem to believe that they deserve interviews or even acceptances....

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Woah woah woah! I didn't say he deserved an interview!!!! He did. 🙂

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

I think its also in one of the boxes you check when certifying the app. Doesn't everyone think they deserve an interview? Even the below 3.0 people think they deserve an interview at Harvard. 🙄

Although it wasn't explicitly stated, it can be safely assumed from this post that the OP thinks he deserves an interview. I was basing my posts of the OPs beliefs, not my own - as they are the only beliefs that matter.

 

[Jepstein30]

Although it wasn't explicitly stated, it can be safely assumed from this post that the OP thinks he deserves an interview. I was basing my posts of the OPs beliefs, not my own - as they are the only beliefs that matter.

So because the OP thinks he deserves an interview, that means he actually deserves an interview?

In that case, I think I should be accepted to Harvard. That acceptance call should come any day now.

 

[mehc012]

Although it wasn't explicitly stated, it can be safely assumed from this post that the OP thinks he deserves an interview. I was basing my posts of the OPs beliefs, not my own - as they are the only beliefs that matter.

That's completely irrelevant. You are saying that leaving incorrect information on there is OK as long as he believes he deserves an interview. Basically, you're saying that dishonesty is justified in circumstances where you think you should succeed. You even admit that everyone thinks they deserve an interview and therefore, by extension of your logic here, that everyone would be justified in fudging the AMCAS.

This is a problem.

Your logic is profoundly flawed and your conclusions are more than slightly troublesome.

I actually don't think it matters what the OP does (as I stated before, his poor grade in that class means that it will be unlikely to pass unnoticed, and therefore not correcting it can only hurt him), and while the "I'm not taking a direct action, so it's not really lying on my app" mentality is not ideal, your mentality is a whole new level of bizarre logic with questionable ethics.

 

[TipToad]

Let me ask you this: Would you correct the AMCAS GPA if it WASN'T in your favor?

The answer is clear, and the choice is clear.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

So because the OP thinks he deserves an interview, that means he actually deserves an interview?

In that case, I think I should be accepted to Harvard. That acceptance call should come any day now.

Well to the OP, yes. If the OP believes he deserves an interview, then in his mind he should get one. Whether or not the objective reality is that he deserves one is true or not is irrelevant to the OP.

Your acceptance analogy is slightly flawed insomuch that it is the schools decision for acceptance - not yours. In this scenario, I have asserted the premise that in this situation, the OP only gets an interview if he accepts the fabricated GPA, so it is up to the OP to determine his fate - not a second party.

 

[Jepstein30]

Well to the OP, yes. If the OP believes he deserves an interview, then in his mind he should get one. Whether or not the objective reality is that he deserves one is true or not is irrelevant to the OP.

Your acceptance analogy is slightly flawed insomuch that it is the schools decision for acceptance - not yours. In this scenario, I have asserted the premise that in this situation, the OP only gets an interview if he accepts the fabricated GPA, so it is up to the OP to determine his fate - not a second party.

So its not the schools decision to grant me an interview?

Its the same thing regardless. I think I deserve an acceptance to HMS. Therefore, if I only get an acceptance to HMS by fabricating my GPA, cheating on my MCAT and murdering a few people, that's perfectly acceptable because I think I deserve an acceptance?

 

[mehc012]

Well to the OP, yes. If the OP believes he deserves an interview, then in his mind he should get one. Whether or not the objective reality is that he deserves one is true or not is irrelevant to the OP.

Your acceptance analogy is slightly flawed insomuch that it is the schools decision for acceptance - not yours. In this scenario, I have asserted the premise that in this situation, the OP only gets an interview if he accepts the fabricated GPA, so it is up to the OP to determine his fate - not a second party.

Again, this screwy logic only works if you ignore integrity.

Actually, you know what? I'm not going to bother arguing the point further. There are huge issues with your statements, but since no one else seems able to make sense of you either, it doesn't really matter. I'll leave you to your strange world of selective integrity.

 

[ShenanigansMD]

Yeah common sense says call AMCAS on this one.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

That's completely irrelevant. You are saying that leaving incorrect information on there is OK as long as he believes he deserves an interview. Basically, you're saying that dishonesty is justified in circumstances where you think you should succeed. You even admit that everyone thinks they deserve an interview and therefore, by extension of your logic here, that everyone would be justified in fudging the AMCAS.

This is a problem.

Your logic is profoundly flawed and your conclusions are more than slightly troublesome.

I actually don't think it matters what the OP does (as I stated before, his poor grade in that class means that it will be unlikely to pass unnoticed, and therefore not correcting it can only hurt him), and while the "I'm not taking a direct action, so it's not really lying on my app" mentality is not ideal, your mentality is a whole new level of bizarre logic with questionable ethics.

Woah Woah Woah. Let's get this straight here: I never conceded that point. I honestly don't think anyone should think they "deserve" an interview. I don't know where you think I said that, but you might be referring to the post the OP made about thinking everyone thinks they deserve an interview. I, however, do NOT believe that (my beliefs are irrelevant in this scenario as it is not my GPA that is fabricated, but the OP's!).

If you believe you deserve an interview, and you objectively know you cannot get one with the stats you have, (YET YOU STILL BELIEVE YOU DESERVE ONE!!! <-- very important), your fudging of AAMCAS would be justified, and not dishonest TO YOU.

The OP only needs to live with himself, and if he believes he deserves an interview, and this is a way of getting what he deserves without taking something personal property from anyone else (okay, you might argue that he might take a seat away from someone, but the med school matriculant number is so large, one spot isn't a real "seat taken"), then it is justifiable to the OP.

It's like believing a candy bar is only worth $.50. The price tag says it costs $.75. If you truly believe the candy bar is only worth 50 cents, and at the cash register it rings up as 50 cents, you will have no moral dilemma paying the 50 cents for the candy bar, if that's what you BELIEVE it is worth.

 

[Jepstein30]

Woah Woah Woah. Let's get this straight here: I never conceded that point. I honestly don't think anyone should think they "deserve" an interview. I don't know where you think I said that, but you might be referring to the post the OP made about thinking everyone thinks they deserve an interview. I, however, do NOT believe that (my beliefs are irrelevant in this scenario as it is not my GPA that is fabricated, but the OP's!).

If you believe you deserve an interview, and you objectively know you cannot get one with the stats you have, (YET YOU STILL BELIEVE YOU DESERVE ONE!!! <-- very important), your fudging of AAMCAS would be justified, and not dishonest TO YOU.

The OP only needs to live with himself, and if he believes he deserves an interview, and this is a way of getting what he deserves without taking something personal property from anyone else (okay, you might argue that he might take a seat away from someone, but the med school matriculant number is so large, one spot isn't a real "seat taken"), then it is justifiable to the OP.

It's like believing a candy bar is only worth $.50. The price tag says it costs $.75. If you truly believe the candy bar is only worth 50 cents, and at the cash register it rings up as 50 cents, you will have no moral dilemma paying the 50 cents for the candy bar, if that's what you BELIEVE it is worth.

I would hate to live in a society run by you.

 

[Freesia88]

Woah Woah Woah. Let's get this straight here: I never conceded that point. I honestly don't think anyone should think they "deserve" an interview. I don't know where you think I said that, but you might be referring to the post the OP made about thinking everyone thinks they deserve an interview. I, however, do NOT believe that (my beliefs are irrelevant in this scenario as it is not my GPA that is fabricated, but the OP's!).

If you believe you deserve an interview, and you objectively know you cannot get one with the stats you have, (YET YOU STILL BELIEVE YOU DESERVE ONE!!! <-- very important), your fudging of AAMCAS would be justified, and not dishonest TO YOU.

The OP only needs to live with himself, and if he believes he deserves an interview, and this is a way of getting what he deserves without taking something personal property from anyone else (okay, you might argue that he might take a seat away from someone, but the med school matriculant number is so large, one spot isn't a real "seat taken"), then it is justifiable to the OP.

It's like believing a candy bar is only worth $.50. The price tag says it costs $.75. If you truly believe the candy bar is only worth 50 cents, and at the cash register it rings up as 50 cents, you will have no moral dilemma paying the 50 cents for the candy bar, if that's what you BELIEVE it is worth.

Wow... (scratches head, leaves thread)

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Again, this screwy logic only works if you ignore integrity.

Actually, you know what? I'm not going to bother arguing the point further. There are huge issues with your statements, but since no one else seems able to make sense of you either, it doesn't really matter. I'll leave you to your strange world of selective integrity.

It's not MY integrity, it's the OP's! He only gets this moral ground because he believe's he deserves an interview. If the OP never made that claim, I would agree that he should call AMCAS and have his GPA changed. But because he believes he deserves one, there is no moral dishonesty for the OP.

He gets what he honestly believes he deserves, and no personal property is taken from anyone else (assuming he doesn't take a seat from someone else, which i suppose you could argue).

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

I would hate to live in a society run by you.

Haha, everyone is misappropriating what I think, with what I think the OP thinks. The entire key to this argument is that the OP believes he deserves something. I don't believe that, but I am offering advice because of that belief.

Realistically, from my perspective, the OP would be making an immoral judgement if he left the skewed GPA, however my judgement on the OP is irrelevant, and the OP just needs to find his own morals. And in this case, his morals suggest he deserves something, and the means to him achieving this "right" do not infringe on anything for anyone else, so it's morally okay (for the OP!).

Ya'll are judging me for thinking the way the OP thinks, not the way I think... 🙁

 

[Jepstein30]

Haha, everyone is misappropriating what I think, with what I think the OP thinks. The entire key to this argument is that the OP believes he deserves something. I don't believe that, but I am offering advice because of that belief.

Realistically, from my perspective, the OP would be making an immoral judgement if he left the skewed GPA, however my judgement on the OP is irrelevant, and the OP just needs to find his own morals. And in this case, his morals suggest he deserves something, and the means to him achieving this "right" do not infringe on anything for anyone else, so it's morally okay (for the OP!).

Ya'll are judging me for thinking the way the OP thinks, not the way I think... 🙁

I'm judging you by the fact that you think those who think they deserve something have the moral right to do whatever it takes.

That's just all kinds of wrong and humorous that you'd even believe that. Have you taken ANY moral philosophy classes? Probably shouldn't..

 

[Doctor Strange]

Eh. I would inform them about it. I've never felt comfortable taking credit for something I didn't do. It doesn't sit right with me at all.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

I'm judging you by the fact that you think those who think they deserve something have the moral right to do whatever it takes.

That's just all kinds of wrong and humorous that you'd even believe that. Have you taken ANY moral philosophy classes? Probably shouldn't..

Woah woah woah! I never said whatever it takes!!

It can't infringe upon anyone else's property or rights!!

 

[Jepstein30]

Woah woah woah! I never said whatever it takes!!

It can't infringe upon anyone else's property or rights!!

So if you believe you deserve an interview, you find it perfectly acceptable to cheat on every single exam to get a 4.0 and then cheat on the MCAT to get a 45?

I'm finding it very hard to believe you are believing the crap you are posting because only fools would lack the sense to realize how wrong that is.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

So if you believe you deserve an interview, you find it perfectly acceptable to cheat on every single exam to get a 4.0 and then cheat on the MCAT to get a 45?

I'm finding it very hard to believe you are believing the crap you are posting because only fools would lack the sense to realize how wrong that is.

Do I believe that? Certainly not. But do I believe anyone really deserves an interview? No, probably not that either.

However, if you have no intention of wanting to learn the material, and you aren't taking a matriculant seat away from someone, and you don't value labor, then I suppose I could imagine a person whose morals are not infringed upon by cheating their way to a 4.0 and 45.

Am I that person? No! I've only cheated once in my life: 6th grade "Current Events" Quiz. It was only worth like 4 points too. What a waste.

 

[orangeblossom]

is there evidence that OP initially marked it as Chemistry but that AMCAS switched the designation to Foreign Lang?

if not, i would be worried that when schools notice the discrepancy (and they very likely will), they'll assume you tried to get away with designating an F as a non-science course, hoping it would slip through the verification process.

at that point you would obviously tell them it was AMCAS's fault, but with that follow-up email putting the burden of responsibility on your shoulders (thanks AMCAS!), it won't look good. Med schools and Amcas seem to have each other's back

who knows though!

 

[mehc012]

Woah Woah Woah. Let's get this straight here: I never conceded that point.

...

Doesn't everyone think they deserve an interview? Even the below 3.0 people think they deserve an interview at Harvard.

If you believe you deserve an interview, and you objectively know you cannot get one with the stats you have, (YET YOU STILL BELIEVE YOU DESERVE ONE!!! <-- very important), your fudging of AAMCAS would be justified, and not dishonest TO YOU.

This is where people are disagreeing with you. Believing you deserve an interview doesn't in any way change whether or not your GPA is correct on the app. If your GPA is incorrect and you submit it, you are being dishonest regardless of whether you believe you deserve an interview

It's like believing a candy bar is only worth $.50. The price tag says it costs $.75. If you truly believe the candy bar is only worth 50 cents, and at the cash register it rings up as 50 cents, you will have no moral dilemma paying the 50 cents for the candy bar, if that's what you BELIEVE it is worth.

Again, maybe you wouldn't have a moral dilemma in that situation. Many people would.
Besides, that's a poor example, as the very fact that you took a candy bar labeled $.75 up to the register with the intent of purchasing it for that price means that the candy bar is worth at least $.75 to you.

 

[mehc012]

It's not MY integrity, it's the OP's!

This is the opposite of true.

The OP's belief that he deserves an interview is not dishonest; everyone inherently believes that they deserve more than the numbers suggest (unless the numbers are high), and they should. It's your moral reasoning that links the OP's beliefs of self-worth with the acceptability of lying on the app.