American College of Cathopathic Physicians

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Society needs definitions. Wtf does physician mean anymore, smh. If you haven't attended medical school you're not a physician.

Let patients decide. Do you want to be treated by Carol, MD or Susan, DNP, DCth (cathopathy?), MSN, BSN, CCRN, LMFAO, FAAN?
 
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I guess this is more important than the American College of Chest Physicians...
 
OtterSpace said:
Breaking News: everybody wanna be a doctor but don't nobody wanna go to harda$$ medical school 😕
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You mean going to university of pheonix online and then getting a DNP online does not entitle me to use the word physician?
Shocked.

Education
 
Why go to med school if you can become a nursedoctor for a fraction of the price and time? Also, was it not the argument made by NP’s that they will decrease the shortage of primary care docs if they can practice atonomusouly? Now they are advocating for specialization.
 
Wow.......I guess AMA won't do anything about this. I feel like residency program directors will know the difference between these people and real medical doctors though. If they weren't trained in a residency program, I am pretty sure they won't be regarded as physicians (hoping).
 
Just because this webpage exists doesn’t mean it’s a real thing. How sure are we that this page isn’t just the pet project of one or two overzealous nobodies?
 
Peach Newport said:
Just because this webpage exists doesn’t mean it’s a real thing. How sure are we that this page isn’t just the pet project of one or two overzealous nobodies?
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It is one NP . I am curious if they actually have any organizational structure and budgets and is actually a non profit. I doubt it. It was literally made by wix which is a diy website service .
 
I wonder if he has to pay for excessive website traffic out of pocket. Would be kinda funny if he recieved large server cost bills.
 
You shall know the Truth said:
Why go to med school if you can become a nursedoctor for a fraction of the price and time? Also, was it not the argument made by NP’s that they will decrease the shortage of primary care docs if they can practice atonomusouly? Now they are advocating for specialization.
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What is funny about this guy in particular is that he claims that there is a large primary care shortage that NPs will fix, yet he works in a hospital in cardiology. Lol what a hypocrite.
 
rg2o3 said:
“We are not trained the same as MDs or DOs, but clinical data has shown that the practice of cathopathic medicine is equally as effective, and time and again patients show they not only accept it, but may actually prefer it.” This 😵
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We aren’t trained the same and have nowhere near the depth of knowledge or clinical training, but some studies we funded that measure blood pressure in patients on antihypertensives show we are equal. Also, patients say they love to see us because we don’t have as long wait times, so we are the same!

Look at how many tests I can order to diagnose rhinovirus! I’m just like a doctor!
 
Dermpire said:
What a tool...
-0 connections on linked in
-obvious spelling error within the first 3 sentences on his bio in the second link

It is laughable to compare this guy to an actual electrophysiologist
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"In comparison most MD or DO students have no clinical experience in medicine until the terminal years of their program. Practically speaking, a medical student may be two or more years into their program of study, learning anatomy and foundational science, before they start their first IV or perform their first clinical exam. Compare that to the level of practical clinical knowledge and experience of a DNP student who may have performed hundreds or even thousands of these same procedures before their first day of class. Because of this difference, the graduate MD or DO is still required by law to have several years of supervised clinical training in order to reach the same level of experience as the graduate DNP and before they may independently practice, which constitutes their internship and residency. In reality there is no paucity of education or training when comparing the DNP to the MD or DO’s preparation to practice, but rather the opposite."

What a blowhard.
 
CyrilFiggis said:
"In comparison most MD or DO students have no clinical experience in medicine until the terminal years of their program. Practically speaking, a medical student may be two or more years into their program of study, learning anatomy and foundational science, before they start their first IV or perform their first clinical exam. Compare that to the level of practical clinical knowledge and experience of a DNP student who may have performed hundreds or even thousands of these same procedures before their first day of class. Because of this difference, the graduate MD or DO is still required by law to have several years of supervised clinical training in order to reach the same level of experience as the graduate DNP and before they may independently practice, which constitutes their internship and residency. In reality there is no paucity of education or training when comparing the DNP to the MD or DO’s preparation to practice, but rather the opposite."

What a blowhard.
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Oh my God. This guy is an Olympic-level mental gymnast.
 
CyrilFiggis said:
"In comparison most MD or DO students have no clinical experience in medicine until the terminal years of their program. Practically speaking, a medical student may be two or more years into their program of study, learning anatomy and foundational science, before they start their first IV or perform their first clinical exam. Compare that to the level of practical clinical knowledge and experience of a DNP student who may have performed hundreds or even thousands of these same procedures before their first day of class. Because of this difference, the graduate MD or DO is still required by law to have several years of supervised clinical training in order to reach the same level of experience as the graduate DNP and before they may independently practice, which constitutes their internship and residency. In reality there is no paucity of education or training when comparing the DNP to the MD or DO’s preparation to practice, but rather the opposite."

What a blowhard.
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This was actually the original argument for NP programs, and it was at least a debatable point when they first made the argument.

Then they got rid of the requirement for any nursing experience. Now your average NP is every bit as new to the hospital as an MS3, except that rather than having 5 more years of supervised training they just go work! So now this argument is just stupid.

I will say this for the CRNAs, they have at least been willing to police themselves on this. It's the only advanced practice nursing degree that still requires several years of nursing experience from applicants. I think the minimum is 2 years and the average is 5?
 
Does anyone know how rigorous the board exams are for NPs?
 
MDs NEED A LOBBYING GROUP. AMA barely does anything, they allowed for this type of bs to prosper in the first place!!
 
Perrotfish said:
This was actually the original argument for NP programs, and it was at least a debatable point when they first made the argument.

Then they got rid of the requirement for any nursing experience. Now your average NP is every bit as new to the hospital as an MS3, except that rather than having 5 more years of supervised training they just go work! So now this argument is just stupid.

I will say this for the CRNAs, they have at least been willing to police themselves on this. It's the only advanced practice nursing degree that still requires several years of nursing experience from applicants. I think the minimum is 2 years and the average is 5?
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Regardless, you can't say that just because you worked as a nurse for five years means you have any idea of how to medically manage patients?
 
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Rekt said:
Regardless, you can't say that just because you worked as a nurse for five years means you have any idea of how to medically manage patients?
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It is, honestly, a debatable point. Inpatient nurses review orders for every patient they see, which means they need to understand their patients' pathology and how each kind of medication fits into that pathology. They need to assess their patients regularly and know when to call the doctor, which means they need to develop physical exam and assessment skills. You can debate how much of gap there is between the knowledge base of an experienced nurse and a doctor, but if you're saying that an experienced nurse is just as far from being a doctor as a new MS1 I think you're lying to yourself.

I think the original model for NPs, where experienced, particularly bright nurses get promoted to being providers might have actually been a superior to our current model for medical education. There are a lot of members of that first wave of NPs that I think really are equivalent to doctors, and if they had anything like a true residency after their training I suspect that most of the rest would have caught up. Also they got there without the abuse and waste of residency and medical school, and the ones who failed out failed into a still good career as an RN rather than into the crushing poverty of a failed medical student/resident. Its more humane to the trainees and its cheaper for the patients, and I'm not convinced the quality is actually lower.

Unfortunately, rather than expanding that borderline functional model of NP education, the nursing educators decided to start a race to the bottom in terms of standards. So now rather than a bright, experienced nurse a new 'Nurse Practitioner' means a dimwitted 23 year old with no medical experience and a degree they got online. Which is insane. I've seen some of those guys out in practice and its everything you would expect from a college senior who bought a white coat and stole a prescription pad.
 
Perrotfish said:
It is, honestly, a debatable point. Inpatient nurses review orders for every patient they see, which means they need to understand their patients' pathology and how each kind of medication fits into that pathology. They need to assess their patients regularly and know when to call the doctor, which means they need to develop physical exam and assessment skills. You can debate how much of gap there is between the knowledge base of an experienced nurse and a doctor, but if you're saying that an experienced nurse is just as far from being a doctor as a new MS1 I think you're lying to yourself.

I think the original model for NPs, where experienced, particularly bright nurses get promoted to being providers might have actually been a superior to our current model for medical education. There are a lot of members of that first wave of NPs that I think really are equivalent to doctors, and if they had anything like a true residency after their training I suspect that most of the rest would have caught up. Also they got there without the abuse and waste of residency and medical school, and the ones who failed out failed into a still good career as an RN rather than into the crushing poverty of a failed medical student/resident. Its more humane to the trainees and its cheaper for the patients, and I'm not convinced the quality is actually lower.

Unfortunately, rather than expanding that borderline functional model of NP education, the nursing educators decided to start a race to the bottom in terms of standards. So now rather than a bright, experienced nurse a new 'Nurse Practitioner' means a dimwitted 23 year old with no medical experience and a degree they got online. Which is insane. I've seen some of those guys out in practice and its everything you would expect from a college senior who bought a white coat and stole a prescription pad.
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What? I did not know that as a former nurse... maybe I was one of the dumb one.
 
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