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Discussion in 'Medical Students - MD' started by skillfullhello, Sep 6, 2014.
anyone have any good books or sources for muscle and embryology practice questions?
For the anatomy/embryology shelf?
I used Gray's Anatomy Review for anatomy questions and found them very helpful. I don't think I did any questions for embryology; I read through High Yield Embryology cover-to-cover and clenched my butthole during the shelf. HY Embryology really saved my ass because it covered everything I saw on the shelf.
Overall, I rocked the shelf.
im a MS1, shelf is 3rd and 4th year rotation right?
I'm looking more towards MS1 type material
Depends on the school. At mine, we have shelf exams after each M1 and M2 class, and we also have specialty-specific shelf exams for clerkships as well.
There are preclinical NBME shelf exams as well. Some schools are nice enough to pay for them for their students.
very nice, thanks all for these.
My school also has us take NBME “Board” Examination - End-of-block National Board of Medical Examiners (NBME) computer-based multiple choice customized board examination, approximately 100 questions per examination.
Where can i get these questions? Is this some special test bank that the school only has exclusive access to?
I don't know how long the preclinical shelfs are but I believe those are 100 questions. I thinks schools now are also able to make customized exams for their students by paying for access to the NBME's test bank of questions. You can't gain access to them.
You can probably get an idea of how questions are written by seeing the sample questions for different shelf exams (subject exams) on the NBME website.
I'm confused with this shelf stuff? i always thought that was the exams during rotations?
they now have preclinical shelfs, which are questions from NBME about the basic medical sciences?
You don't need to do anything more than Gray's + BRS. If you actually get through all of the Gray's and read why you got your answers wrong, you will be more than prepared for anatomy. Anything else is overkill and taking time away from sources that will get you points.
A "shelf" exam is an NBME subject exam that is usually given at the end of a rotation or the end of a course/block. Yes, the NBME makes them for preclinicals as well as clinicals.
They are called "shelf"s bc long time ago the exam was euphemistically put away on the so called "shelf" and taken off the "shelf" to give to students when it was needed to be administered.
The Gray's and Lippincott's books are very good. BRS and Pre-Test are in the next tier, imo.
are the pre clinical questions as hard as the USMLE questions?
its not like they take questions from USMLE exams and split them up for different topics and then call that a shelf exam for that basic medical science subject right?
I don't really know. You can see here: http://www.nbme.org/pdf/SubjectExams/SE_ContentOutlineandSampleItems.pdf. @CherryRedDracul might know more about how similar preclinical shelf questions are to USMLE questions. Shelf exam questions tend to be "retired" NBME questions.
USMLE questions tend to be more interdisciplinary and cross disciplines as well as emphasize concepts, critical thinking, etc. I thought shelf exam questions tend to be a lot more rote memorization dependent.
USMLE questions are significantly more difficult than preclinical shelf questions. My impression, too, is that shelf exam questions are retired NBME questions, like @DermViser stated because they've made the USMLE more difficult and thus have thrown the easier questions out.
In general, rote memorization and a basic understanding of the subject is good enough for preclinical shelf exams, but there are always a couple of WTF questions thrown in here and there. For anyone else who has to take preclinical shelves, I highly suggest going through the sample questions on the NBME site because there's inevitably at least one question in there that appears almost verbatim on the real thing.
Yes, I guess they're "retired" and thus no longer used on the USMLE for a reason. Needless to say, if USMLE questions were exactly like NBME shelf exam questions, it would be a lot easier.
I understand if questions can't be interdisciplinary on an individual subject shelf. I do think it's unfair that the questions on the shelf aren't application based like the way the USMLE is but I'm guessing that since you have only 1 subject on a shelf unlike the USMLE which has several, the only way you can make it hard is by making it rote-memorization.
Bc the first 2 are questions in vignette format.
Those 2 also have pictures IIRC. I will agree that there is a fair bit of redundancy between these books, though.
If we're talking about the shelf, then I have 2 more observations:
1. Embryo is a good chunk of the test (1/5th?) and those books don't really prepare you for it ime. Some people say the Embryo section in First Aid is good.
2. I recall a fair number of questions that were more Histology as opposed to Gross Anatomy.
It's bc the official name of the shelf is "Gross Anatomy and Embryology". The other shelf is "Histology and Cell Biology".
is there a list of all the material that is tested so i can make sure that my school hasn't left things out when it comes to the test? Also do they publish any content review books?
We are doing whats called a fundament block so right now we have a mix of pop genetics, regular genetics, biochem dan/rna/ repair/ cell bio etc
so for me to get questions to practice for this block i will have to go through and pick several different sections to sort of match it up with whats on my end of block exam?
sorry i wasn't clear i wanted to ask about the preclinical shelf exam topics and all the content they would cover?
Grays and BRS.