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Hello All,
Wanted to take a moment and post about an experience that began today. While I'm not an MD, I hope you don't mind the thread initiation here this one time.
After asking to shadow an Anesthesiologist at my local hospital, I was thrown into the Medical Student Observership program at the same hospital. It was the only way they could get me in, today I started.
Over six months, while working at P&S in NYC a few years ago, (non-trad here) I shadowed Anesthesia, mostly Peds Anes. After day one I was sure I wanted to be an Anesthesiologist. After the last day, I was sure to the 10th power.
So, going into today's experience, I was just hoping to see something new while keeping my eye on the ball and taking premeds. Turns out the Anesthesiologist I shadowed works much more in the Pain Clinic than the OR. So, the day was filled with Interscalene blocks, epidurals (including one cervical), consults etc. This doc did his Anesthesia Residency and Pain Fellowship. It was amazing to see this completely other side of Anes that I really only read about.
What I'm getting at is that I think allllllll you anesthesiologists are absolutely amazing for what you do, and that the level of skill and knowledge you possess is second to NONE. I've seen the Mitral Valve Repair and the CV Surgeon and the brain op and the Neurosurgeon, who are amazing in their own right, but you guys are more amazing to me. Without this field, there are no others. I'm sure I'll get the reply that all here wish patients and other docs would feel the same way, and I'm aware of the road that lies ahead for me in this regard. As aware as I can be.
So, unlike the Peds Anes. surgeries, today I learned all about epidurals. After seeing five, I could tell (obviously not by touch, but by looking) when the MD had loss of resistance, how he played with the syringe to get it, and when it happened. I also learned about the three different approaches to the epidural space. I saw a couple Owls. A few dogs. Learned that the spinal cord itself stops between L1-L2, WHO KNEW? One blood patch. Saw the anatomical differences in the spines of a 19 y/o and an 80 y/o. Fascinating. And learned a BIT about something called Plechia Medialis Dorsalis (sp?) and how the block doesn't cross the midline. The doctor told me to remember this, and I swear it wasn't 10 seconds before I dropped the term. Why does that HAPPEN!? The first procedure of the day was an interscalene block and I had JUST read up on the procedure on a med school website, the landmarks, etc, for this VERY moment. Only to absolutely freeze up and lose ALL the info the moment I saw the marking's on the pt. neck. Also learned that "back in the day" sacral epidurals on OB patients were obviously done without xray guidance and that sometimes, since the babies heads were so close during labor, the needle was injected to deep, and the baby was killed. Maybe, if permitted, I'll post a question about Peds deaths if the forum permits. As I do have ONE question for all you Ped Anes out there...
The point of my day wasn't to learn, per se, but it's great that I picked up tid bits that will, of course, be pounded into my head 800x by the time I'm an MS-III. What this experience does for me is reaffirm my feelings that I'll be an Anesthesiologist in the end. This post sounds almost giddy for a father of two who is very successful in his own career, however, I hope you can remember the feeling. You guys are IT for me and you deserve a shout out.
Lastly, there were a few questions I wanted to ask my MD, and I did ask away ALL day today. But of course, I didn't want to overwhelm with, "Well, how come..." questions. So, was wondering if I could lay a few on you here in the hope I get a little future colleague love?
1) When Versed was given, it seemed to lower only systolic BP. My own observation. Does this sound right, and can someone tell me, in general terms, why this happens? Why a sedative wouldn't lower BP overall?
2) When the contrast or block is given in the epidural space, why does it only diffuse out proximal to where the needle is inserted, rather than in "both" distal and proximal directions?
3) CSE. If you puncture the dura and give that injection, then when you give the epidural next, isn't then there a brand new hole that would allow the epidural injection to go right into the spinal injection site? Wouldn't this be potentially dangerous dosing wise? CSEs are done all the time, so maybe someone can explain how the epidural medicine does not simply go into the new hole from the spinal injection.
4) Do ALL patients deny prior drug use? This one is rhetorical.
5) Why did it seem, to the eye, that everyone got the same amount of medicine for the epidural injections? First it was lidocaine 1% local, then bupivicaine .25%, then a steroid I can't recall, really small bottle, etc. Seems the same doses were given to the 300lb 40 yo as the 105 lb 19 y/o. Is this because these medicines only treat local inflammation? Don't these two patients metabolize medicine in different amounts considering one is 3X the size of the other?
If only O-chem were this interesting!!!
Continued success to all the SDN Anesthesiologists.
D712
Wanted to take a moment and post about an experience that began today. While I'm not an MD, I hope you don't mind the thread initiation here this one time.
After asking to shadow an Anesthesiologist at my local hospital, I was thrown into the Medical Student Observership program at the same hospital. It was the only way they could get me in, today I started.
Over six months, while working at P&S in NYC a few years ago, (non-trad here) I shadowed Anesthesia, mostly Peds Anes. After day one I was sure I wanted to be an Anesthesiologist. After the last day, I was sure to the 10th power.
So, going into today's experience, I was just hoping to see something new while keeping my eye on the ball and taking premeds. Turns out the Anesthesiologist I shadowed works much more in the Pain Clinic than the OR. So, the day was filled with Interscalene blocks, epidurals (including one cervical), consults etc. This doc did his Anesthesia Residency and Pain Fellowship. It was amazing to see this completely other side of Anes that I really only read about.
What I'm getting at is that I think allllllll you anesthesiologists are absolutely amazing for what you do, and that the level of skill and knowledge you possess is second to NONE. I've seen the Mitral Valve Repair and the CV Surgeon and the brain op and the Neurosurgeon, who are amazing in their own right, but you guys are more amazing to me. Without this field, there are no others. I'm sure I'll get the reply that all here wish patients and other docs would feel the same way, and I'm aware of the road that lies ahead for me in this regard. As aware as I can be.
So, unlike the Peds Anes. surgeries, today I learned all about epidurals. After seeing five, I could tell (obviously not by touch, but by looking) when the MD had loss of resistance, how he played with the syringe to get it, and when it happened. I also learned about the three different approaches to the epidural space. I saw a couple Owls. A few dogs. Learned that the spinal cord itself stops between L1-L2, WHO KNEW? One blood patch. Saw the anatomical differences in the spines of a 19 y/o and an 80 y/o. Fascinating. And learned a BIT about something called Plechia Medialis Dorsalis (sp?) and how the block doesn't cross the midline. The doctor told me to remember this, and I swear it wasn't 10 seconds before I dropped the term. Why does that HAPPEN!? The first procedure of the day was an interscalene block and I had JUST read up on the procedure on a med school website, the landmarks, etc, for this VERY moment. Only to absolutely freeze up and lose ALL the info the moment I saw the marking's on the pt. neck. Also learned that "back in the day" sacral epidurals on OB patients were obviously done without xray guidance and that sometimes, since the babies heads were so close during labor, the needle was injected to deep, and the baby was killed. Maybe, if permitted, I'll post a question about Peds deaths if the forum permits. As I do have ONE question for all you Ped Anes out there...
The point of my day wasn't to learn, per se, but it's great that I picked up tid bits that will, of course, be pounded into my head 800x by the time I'm an MS-III. What this experience does for me is reaffirm my feelings that I'll be an Anesthesiologist in the end. This post sounds almost giddy for a father of two who is very successful in his own career, however, I hope you can remember the feeling. You guys are IT for me and you deserve a shout out.
Lastly, there were a few questions I wanted to ask my MD, and I did ask away ALL day today. But of course, I didn't want to overwhelm with, "Well, how come..." questions. So, was wondering if I could lay a few on you here in the hope I get a little future colleague love?
1) When Versed was given, it seemed to lower only systolic BP. My own observation. Does this sound right, and can someone tell me, in general terms, why this happens? Why a sedative wouldn't lower BP overall?
2) When the contrast or block is given in the epidural space, why does it only diffuse out proximal to where the needle is inserted, rather than in "both" distal and proximal directions?
3) CSE. If you puncture the dura and give that injection, then when you give the epidural next, isn't then there a brand new hole that would allow the epidural injection to go right into the spinal injection site? Wouldn't this be potentially dangerous dosing wise? CSEs are done all the time, so maybe someone can explain how the epidural medicine does not simply go into the new hole from the spinal injection.
4) Do ALL patients deny prior drug use? This one is rhetorical.
5) Why did it seem, to the eye, that everyone got the same amount of medicine for the epidural injections? First it was lidocaine 1% local, then bupivicaine .25%, then a steroid I can't recall, really small bottle, etc. Seems the same doses were given to the 300lb 40 yo as the 105 lb 19 y/o. Is this because these medicines only treat local inflammation? Don't these two patients metabolize medicine in different amounts considering one is 3X the size of the other?
If only O-chem were this interesting!!!
Continued success to all the SDN Anesthesiologists.
D712