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Does anyone know anything or anyone who has ever worked for anesthetix? I know they are an anesthesia and pain amc. Not as large as Sheridan or NAPA. Any input would be appreciated.
Does anyone know anything or anyone who has ever worked for anesthetix? I know they are an anesthesia and pain amc. Not as large as Sheridan or NAPA. Any input would be appreciated.
Ok ... I was looking into what looked like a great job opportunity on gasworks in which I recognized the name anesthetix. I remember reading that name on SDN and while I was returning a call to the recruiter, I did a quick google search:
Anesthetix court document
Hung up the phone before they could pick up. Can't believe what that poor guy went through. Don't know the details of course, but in addition to trying to rip him off, seems like they really worked hard to tarnish his name when he tried to get them to pay him. I can see why alot of folks just walk away quietly in these situations.
SDN may have potentially saved me from a nightmare situation.
TheSandMan,
Did you read the whole docket? It was a pretty fascinating read.
Anesthetix tried the "smear campaign" tactic on this dude. They tried to impugn his character, made allegations that he was an incompetent practitioner, and tried to even question his hygiene. Pretty pathetic.
He tried to sue under Title VII, in part, alleging that there was discrimination based on the fact that he is a U.S. citizen (that they only hire J-1 and H-1B visa docs), but that was summarily dismissed by the court. That would've been a federal lawsuit.
What was (or will be) litigated was the possibility that Anesthetix misrepresented the contract to him, and that they didn't pay him.
Interesting read, full of caselaw, for anyone willing to take the time. Thanks for posting!
-copro
Does anyone know anything or anyone who has ever worked for anesthetix? I know they are an anesthesia and pain amc. Not as large as Sheridan or NAPA. Any input would be appreciated.
The future of anesthesiology practice in this country is going to be Hospital employment or AMC's.
The private practice small group model is going to disappear because it simply can not compete with the big companies and it is too inefficient to keep up with the changing conditions.
So, if you are going to private practice I strongly suggest that you consider working for AMC's as long as you are able to negotiate a fair contract.
I would advise new grads to try real hard to avoid being a hospital employee or an employee of an AMC. Been there done that. I realize that this will be harder in the future. But if you can find a high quality egalitarian private practice group that has had an exclusive contract for decades, it is worth "paying up" for it in terms of a longer buy in. Or living in a second or third choice metro area.
For all new grads do not ever be suckered into working for anesthetix, this is the worse job you can get. i have seen them ruin 2 hospitals anesthesia departments and their recruiters are snakes oilmen. this is perhaps the most incompetent, unjust, management company around and they re MO is always the same. they sucker a hospital with a great presentation into how inefficient they re current setup is and than sucker the hospital into giving them the contract. they're next step is always to advertise a job for 350k to 400k with 12 wks of vacation(which u will never get because they're reputation is so bad that no body wants to work for them and usually they only can get new grads or other providers with serious promblems on their resumes(drug users, bad records, etc) . anyways they piss everybody of so badly that their contract is almost never renewed, and they re always kicked. they will never take your side in any disagreement between the anesthesiologist and either the hospital admin, surgeons or crnas. please people you guys will save yourself some trouble by calling their hospitals where they have the contract talking to some of the anesthesiologists, you will get a clear picture how miserable all of their workers are. whatever you do do not blindly sign with these people they will screw your career up.
Does anyone know if Sheridan has the same bad kind of reputation that Anesthetix has?
Does anyone know if Sheridan has the same bad kind of reputation that Anesthetix has?
For all new grads do not ever be suckered into working for anesthetix, this is the worse job you can get. i have seen them ruin 2 hospitals anesthesia departments and their recruiters are snakes oilmen.
Ditto. What is so bad about being a hospital employee? I'm just an M3 trying to figure things out.What's so bad about being a hospital employee?
A hospital employee will be at the mercy of their hospital administration employer. Limited/no opportunity for negotiating with the hospital for hours/workload/compensation, fixed salary, etc. That's a bad arrangement. Anything you make over your salary goes to the hospital. Even if there is an incentive compensation component, they're still making money on your back.Ditto. What is so bad about being a hospital employee? I'm just an M3 trying to figure things out.
A hospital employee will be at the mercy of their hospital administration employer. Limited/no opportunity for negotiating with the hospital for hours/workload/compensation, fixed salary, etc. That's a bad arrangement. Anything you make over your salary goes to the hospital. Even if there is an incentive compensation component, they're still making money on your back.
You can substitute anesthesia management company for hospital above, it's the same, but worse because your boss isn't even part of the system. If they lose your hospital/ASC, they don't care, they have 50 more. They also don't care if you have to relocate to some other managed hospital when you're fired suddenly.
In private practice your group keeps all the money made and they distribute the excess to the partners. Some are not partner track, ie employees of the practice, but they usually get some other benefit over partner track people, like making more money, no call, etc. There are a lot of different arrangements for PP compensation, but the point is you keep your earnings.
Traditional academic practices have faculty employees with a "dean's tax" paid back to the medical school. Any profits will not normally be paid back to you as a bonus. I've been in this arrangement as well, it's not the best. You bust your hump for a pat on the back and a thumbs up at the end of the year. Some academic practices have incentive compensation strategies, but I don't get the impression that it is the norm. Some also pay for extra time or days worked, very variable as well.
I'm in a hybrid private-academic practice. It's an unusual arrangement, but it works, and is, IMHO, fair, though my work is supporting the salaries of researchers and over paid managers.
A fair and equal PP is the best arrangement. Hospital employee is really only a little better than AMC stooge.
One PP caveat is that while you are "buying into" your partnership, and the partners are splitting your 1-200k+/ yr earnings over your salary, the group may be falling apart, losing hospital subsidies, about to be taken over, etc. 2-3 years down the line they might be selling out or being forced out. No pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for you.
What is my father in law's PP radiology practice worth after 20 years of high quality service to a profitable hospital? What should the buy in to partnership be to earn a share of his stable long term practice. Answer... Nothing. The groups contract was not renewed. A few upstarts came in and they're outsourcing to India. It happens. Maybe he should have thought of that instead of hiring a couple new guys. They tried to make them hospital employees as well, but they didn't have their act together to make it happen. The new group may be on borrowed time as well.
A hospital employee will be at the mercy of their hospital administration employer. Limited/no opportunity for negotiating with the hospital for hours/workload/compensation, fixed salary, etc. That's a bad arrangement. Anything you make over your salary goes to the hospital. Even if there is an incentive compensation component, they're still making money on your back.
You can substitute anesthesia management company for hospital above, it's the same, but worse because your boss isn't even part of the system. If they lose your hospital/ASC, they don't care, they have 50 more. They also don't care if you have to relocate to some other managed hospital when you're fired suddenly.
In private practice your group keeps all the money made and they distribute the excess to the partners. Some are not partner track, ie employees of the practice, but they usually get some other benefit over partner track people, like making more money, no call, etc. There are a lot of different arrangements for PP compensation, but the point is you keep your earnings.
Traditional academic practices have faculty employees with a "dean's tax" paid back to the medical school. Any profits will not normally be paid back to you as a bonus. I've been in this arrangement as well, it's not the best. You bust your hump for a pat on the back and a thumbs up at the end of the year. Some academic practices have incentive compensation strategies, but I don't get the impression that it is the norm. Some also pay for extra time or days worked, very variable as well.
I'm in a hybrid private-academic practice. It's an unusual arrangement, but it works, and is, IMHO, fair, though my work is supporting the salaries of researchers and over paid managers.
A fair and equal PP is the best arrangement. Hospital employee is really only a little better than AMC stooge.
One PP caveat is that while you are "buying into" your partnership, and the partners are splitting your 1-200k+/ yr earnings over your salary, the group may be falling apart, losing hospital subsidies, about to be taken over, etc. 2-3 years down the line they might be selling out or being forced out. No pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for you.
What is my father in law's PP radiology practice worth after 20 years of high quality service to a profitable hospital? What should the buy in to partnership be to earn a share of his stable long term practice. Answer... Nothing. The groups contract was not renewed. A few upstarts came in and they're outsourcing to India. It happens. Maybe he should have thought of that instead of hiring a couple new guys. They tried to make them hospital employees as well, but they didn't have their act together to make it happen. The new group may be on borrowed time as well.
So, I go on a tour of a new hospital where I shall be going to work. I'm out at lunch with the recruiter and a handler from the group I am joining (hot!) - I'm EM, so they showed me the whole hospital.
Well, at lunch, my back is to the door (Wild Bill Hickok notwithstanding). The recruiter sees someone and smiles and waves someone over. Have you ever thought you saw a ghost?
This guy walks up, and I look, and am aghast. I recognize this guy immediately - and I haven't seen him in 14 years.
When we were in med school, there were several guys with the same name, so we had to differentiate. Say the name was "Bill" - there was "old Bill" and "Bill with the beautiful wife". This guy was "crazy Bill" - seriously.
After med school, a guy I knew was a resident with him. He said - back then - that this guy was doing all sorts of "not kosher" stuff, and it was only a matter of time until he got caught.
So, I look to my left - and there he is. He didn't remember me at first. We had been suitemates. This guy was the best suitemate, if, by best, you mean "stealing food, screwing up the air conditioning (freezing the condenser), getting drunk A LOT, disrupting other people studying, lying all the time, and bringing your equally degenerate friends over".
He then took off. His current wife was antithetical to his first wife (whom he divorced in med school), except she, like the first, wasn't fat.
The recruiter then said how Anesthetix came on board, and he with them, and I thought that he was emblematic of that company.
Does anyone know anything or anyone who has ever worked for anesthetix? I know they are an anesthesia and pain amc. Not as large as Sheridan or NAPA. Any input would be appreciated.
This is one thing I'm glad I don't have to put up with by working at a military hospital, employed by Uncle Sam.
Is my employment setting perfect, all things considered? Of course not.
Does my employer have ugly warts and moles? Of course. What employer doesn't?
But ... we are there for the patient, not for turning a profit, not for quarterly dividend payments to stockholders living several states away. And everyone is straight salary.
My setting is not for everyone. But if you like diversity, moving (yes, you will), serving your country, taking care of the best patients in the world, and not answering to stockholders then consider the military. It's far from perfect but still has a lot to offer, at least IMHO. And you don't need to worry about Sheridan/Anthem-like treatment.
YET...And you don't need to worry about Sheridan/Anthem-like treatment.
Again, I have a perspective that is certainly affected by my health status, but I can truthfully say that if I die today, tomorrow, next year, or not for another 10 years, I am happy to go my grave knowing I have never knowingly screwed anyone, stabbed someone in the back intentionally, and have given my best to make the world around me a better place to live in and the people in it a chance to do the same.
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Ha Ha are you a recruiter? You forgot to mention the huge pay cut 50%+, the endless amount of bull**** adm. stuff, all the uniform crap you get to buy and pay for yourself, the bull**** bonus paperwork you have to fill out and the constant delays and screw ups in getting paid. You are hardly salaried. The clueless administrative support staff. I could write a book on the crap that I had to deal with on deployment. I would take an anesthetix job in a heartbeat compared to the military. At least you aren't a slave and can resign without being thrown in prison. The absolute worst part of the military is the surgeons are terrible and downright dangerous. I had a surgeon spending an hour trying to get in the abdomen for a lap chole. She kept saying I've never seen adhesions this bad. Are you kidding you're still not in. I had to tell her that she wasn't in and her patient had crepitus. WTF. The only good surgeons where I work are trained outside the military
One of my former partners started an AMC and while he started it out with actually good intentions and to do it the "right way," the greed finally caught up with him. Now he's looking to sell and retire but to get to this point, how may people did he have to screw and was it worth it all for the few million extra dollars padding his bank account? His own business person attended a meeting of mine on a deal and told me he couldn't wait to quit once all of contract stipulations had been met.
Again, I have a perspective that is certainly affected by my health status, but I can truthfully say that if I die today, tomorrow, next year, or not for another 10 years, I am happy to go my grave knowing I have never knowingly screwed anyone, stabbed someone in the back intentionally, and have given my best to make the world around me a better place to live in and the people in it a chance to do the same.
Look at each situation you may possibly get involved with as objectively as possible and NEVER COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES. Once you do, you slide down that slippery pathway with little if any chance to change course.
Ha Ha are you a recruiter? You forgot to mention the huge pay cut 50%+, the endless amount of bull**** adm. stuff, all the uniform crap you get to buy and pay for yourself, the bull**** bonus paperwork you have to fill out and the constant delays and screw ups in getting paid. You are hardly salaried. The clueless administrative support staff. I could write a book on the crap that I had to deal with on deployment. I would take an anesthetix job in a heartbeat compared to the military. At least you aren't a slave and can resign without being thrown in prison. The absolute worst part of the military is the surgeons are terrible and downright dangerous. I had a surgeon spending an hour trying to get in the abdomen for a lap chole. She kept saying I've never seen adhesions this bad. Are you kidding you're still not in. I had to tell her that she wasn't in and her patient had crepitus. WTF. The only good surgeons where I work are trained outside the military
I just personally think the formula of [military positives minus military negatives] > [civilian positives minus civilian negatives].
So which AMC is worse, NAPA or Sheridon? People ask me this all the time and I really don't have any idea.
It's a business world. Business wants to maximize profits while W2 want to do as little work as possible.
Private practice groups screw young grads all the time. My sister was in 5 year partnership track. They basically screwed her over $1 million over that time as the "buy in".
Did the same to guy who started a pain practice for them. He ended committing suicide a couple years later.
It's just a cut throat world.
Hospital employee sometimes has excellent benefits. Don't know what the family demographics here. But being self employed and a family of 4. Health care costs are soaring. You pay for your own disability and malpractice (I pay occurrence). These "benefits" a hospital can offer u can add up to close to $50k when it's all added up.
Private practice eat what u kill. Depends on what u are killing. Many peeps I know we're easily making mid $550s up till a couple years ago. No benefits. Thats ok when u are making that much.
Now payer mix changes. They are making in mid 300s still working 60 hours no benefits. You end up waiting 2 hours for next eat what you kill case not making any money. That guaranteed $325k with benefits starts looking better and better.
There is no easy answer. I agree with the OP. Some AMCs you need to know what you are getting yourself into. If you don't like what they are offering try to get them to put you on a 1099 cause their W2 benefits are usually no where as good as a full hospital employee position. Hospital based usually has excellent health for you and family as well as occurrence malpractice. AMCs (outside of Sheridan) do not offer occurrence and your tail could run 10-30k when it's all said and done. Sheridan is self insured so their malpractice is actually good compared to others.
But if you get into bed with these amc, it's usually better to negotiate a 1099 so u get more tax write offs since their benefits are no good. At least it makes it more bare able.
It's a business world. Business wants to maximize profits while W2 want to do as little work as possible.
Private practice groups screw young grads all the time. My sister was in 5 year partnership track. They basically screwed her over $1 million over that time as the "buy in".
Did the same to guy who started a pain practice for them. He ended committing suicide a couple years later.
It's just a cut throat world.
Hospital employee sometimes has excellent benefits. Don't know what the family demographics here. But being self employed and a family of 4. Health care costs are soaring. You pay for your own disability and malpractice (I pay occurrence). These "benefits" a hospital can offer u can add up to close to $50k when it's all added up.
Private practice eat what u kill. Depends on what u are killing. Many peeps I know we're easily making mid $550s up till a couple years ago. No benefits. Thats ok when u are making that much.
Now payer mix changes. They are making in mid 300s still working 60 hours no benefits. You end up waiting 2 hours for next eat what you kill case not making any money. That guaranteed $325k with benefits starts looking better and better.
There is no easy answer. I agree with the OP. Some AMCs you need to know what you are getting yourself into. If you don't like what they are offering try to get them to put you on a 1099 cause their W2 benefits are usually no where as good as a full hospital employee position. Hospital based usually has excellent health for you and family as well as occurrence malpractice. AMCs (outside of Sheridan) do not offer occurrence and your tail could run 10-30k when it's all said and done. Sheridan is self insured so their malpractice is actually good compared to others.
But if you get into bed with these amc, it's usually better to negotiate a 1099 so u get more tax write offs since their benefits are no good. At least it makes it more bare able.
Did your sister put in 5 years and not get partnership? Ouch.