Another attempt on Trump

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IlDestriero said:
Probably a Swiftie.
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Swift action, eh?

Secret Service pounced within seconds, eh?

Their performance of late is not inspiring.

How the hell is there not better security or observation of the president's own golf course where he's known to spend so, so much of his time? How does yet another random guy with a rifle get within a few hundred yards of Trump in the first place?

Maybe I'm off base and it's not really possible to secure and continuously observe the perimeter of that golf course. If that's the case maybe he ought to take up indoor putt putt for a while.
 
pgg said:
Swift action, eh?

Secret Service pounced within seconds, eh?

Their performance of late is not inspiring.

How the hell is there not better security or observation of the president's own golf course where he's known to spend so, so much of his time? How does yet another random guy with a rifle get within a few hundred yards of Trump in the first place?

Maybe I'm off base and it's not really possible to secure and continuously observe the perimeter of that golf course. If that's the case maybe he ought to take up indoor putt putt for a while.
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Most golf courses are 150+ acres with lots of trees and greenery, I would imagine its tough to completely secure that much space. Double so if other people are allowed to golf at the same time.

In fairness, the USSS did much better this time than last time.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Most golf courses are 150+ acres with lots of trees and greenery, I would imagine its tough to completely secure that much space. Double so if other people are allowed to golf at the same time.

In fairness, the USSS did much better this time than last time.
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True enough. Maybe I'm being overly harsh on the secret service.

Looks like they had agents moving ahead of him on the course, and one of them spotted the rifle.

If I was Trump I might spend less time moving about slowly in the same predictable wide open places. Maybe try out some new golf courses.
 
pgg said:
True enough. Maybe I'm being overly harsh on the secret service.

Looks like they had agents moving ahead of him on the course, and one of them spotted the rifle.

If I was Trump I might spend less time moving about slowly in the same predictable wide open places. Maybe try out some new golf courses.
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My gut feeling is that there hasn't been a serious attempt to shoot a President in a long time and we've forgotten how hard it actually is to protect someone who is out and about a good bit.
 
I heard an interview where it was stated that when Trump and Obama were sitting presidents, the Secret Service would guard the complete perimeter of golf courses when they played. As former presidents, they don’t get the same security detail. Given that Trump is currently running for POTUS and the recent assassination attempts, they will likely increase his security detail.
 
It's very possible that sitting and former presidents face more threats and attempts at harm than what the public hears about. High-profile figures, especially those in political positions, tend to attract individuals or groups with various motivations, ranging from ideological opposition to personal grievances. In most cases, however, security teams like the Secret Service are highly skilled at neutralizing potential threats before they escalate to a level of public awareness.

What we often hear about are cases where there has been a serious security lapse or where the threat has become so severe that it can no longer be kept confidential. Many incidents that do not breach security measures likely go unreported, as revealing every attempt could undermine public confidence in security or encourage further attempts.

Given the scope of protective measures and technology used to safeguard these individuals, it's reasonable to assume that a large number of potential threats are intercepted and neutralized long before they can manifest. The balance between transparency, security effectiveness, and national stability often dictates what information is shared with the public.
 
nimbus said:
I heard an interview where it was stated that when Trump and Obama were sitting presidents, the Secret Service would guard the complete perimeter of golf courses when they played. As former presidents, they don’t get the same security detail. Given that Trump is currently running for POTUS and the recent assassination attempts, they will likely increase his security detail.
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It's also probably way harder to protect someone who is constantly on the golf course
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Most golf courses are 150+ acres with lots of trees and greenery, I would imagine its tough to completely secure that much space. Double so if other people are allowed to golf at the same time.

In fairness, the USSS did much better this time than last time.
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An article I read in the Washington Post yesterday, which included an interview with a former SS agent, stated that former presidents are not afforded the same level of protection as sitting presidents. He stated that if Trump was a sitting president, the perimeter of the entire golf course would have been secured. They are limited in how much protection they an offer Trump. He suggested that because these are unprecedented times, the SS may need to consider providing Trump the same level of detail a sitting president would receive. He also said staffing levels are critical and the SS agents are overworked and have no life. I would think that makes recruitment difficult. That's ironic given that more staff is needed to alleviate the shortage. Maybe the SS should consider incorporating members of the military to make up for the shortage.
 
narcusprince said:
It's very possible that sitting and former presidents face more threats and attempts at harm than what the public hears about. High-profile figures, especially those in political positions, tend to attract individuals or groups with various motivations, ranging from ideological opposition to personal grievances. In most cases, however, security teams like the Secret Service are highly skilled at neutralizing potential threats before they escalate to a level of public awareness.

What we often hear about are cases where there has been a serious security lapse or where the threat has become so severe that it can no longer be kept confidential. Many incidents that do not breach security measures likely go unreported, as revealing every attempt could undermine public confidence in security or encourage further attempts.

Given the scope of protective measures and technology used to safeguard these individuals, it's reasonable to assume that a large number of potential threats are intercepted and neutralized long before they can manifest. The balance between transparency, security effectiveness, and national stability often dictates what information is shared with the public.
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USSS needs more drone surveillance.
 
Imagine being a ca-2 trying to intubate the president of the United States after a major shooting and subsequent emergency surgery and getting pushed aside by the attending because u were struggling on your first and only attempt claiming he was anterior. No glidescope at the time. That’s stress.

Trump airway looks so so but probably easy these days with assistive devices.
 
aneftp said:
Imagine being a ca-2 trying to intubate the president of the United States after a major shooting and subsequent emergency surgery and getting pushed aside by the attending because u were struggling on your first and only attempt claiming he was anterior. No glidescope at the time. That’s stress.

Trump airway looks so so but probably easy these days with assistive devices.
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lol as if they'd let a resident take the first look...or any resident being involved in the case at all.
 
MirrorTodd said:
lol as if they'd let a resident take the first look...or any resident being involved in the case at all.
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This was the early 80s. Residents did a lot back than. That person still does lecture series for the asa even in 2024. So very long career.
 
psycho-matic said:
He also said staffing levels are critical and the SS agents are overworked and have no life. I would think that makes recruitment difficult. That's ironic given that more staff is needed to alleviate the shortage. Maybe the SS should consider incorporating members of the military to make up for the shortage.
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Two of my patients are secret service, and former military. I suspect that is a major area of recruitment.
 
Since he hadn’t fired a shot, these are the charges against Routh.


“Routh has been charged with possession of a firearm as a felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number.“
 
narcusprince said:
It's very possible that sitting and former presidents face more threats and attempts at harm than what the public hears about. High-profile figures, especially those in political positions, tend to attract individuals or groups with various motivations, ranging from ideological opposition to personal grievances. In most cases, however, security teams like the Secret Service are highly skilled at neutralizing potential threats before they escalate to a level of public awareness.

What we often hear about are cases where there has been a serious security lapse or where the threat has become so severe that it can no longer be kept confidential. Many incidents that do not breach security measures likely go unreported, as revealing every attempt could undermine public confidence in security or encourage further attempts.

Given the scope of protective measures and technology used to safeguard these individuals, it's reasonable to assume that a large number of potential threats are intercepted and neutralized long before they can manifest. The balance between transparency, security effectiveness, and national stability often dictates what information is shared with the public.
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In the early 1990s one of my college friends was a clerk for Frank Batisti who was the federal judge who desecrated Cleveland public schools in 1976. Nearly 20 years later, the judge was still getting death threats every few weeks. So I imagine former presidents get a lot.
 
psycho-matic said:
An article I read in the Washington Post yesterday, which included an interview with a former SS agent, stated that former presidents are not afforded the same level of protection as sitting presidents. He stated that if Trump was a sitting president, the perimeter of the entire golf course would have been secured. They are limited in how much protection they an offer Trump. He suggested that because these are unprecedented times, the SS may need to consider providing Trump the same level of detail a sitting president would receive. He also said staffing levels are critical and the SS agents are overworked and have no life. I would think that makes recruitment difficult. That's ironic given that more staff is needed to alleviate the shortage. Maybe the SS should consider incorporating members of the military to make up for the shortage.
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The SS certainly has a life in Cartagena Colombia….
 
BLADEMDA said:
Questions about this shooter?

How did he get to Palm Beach? How did he know Trump's itinerary? How did he purchase that AK47? He clearly had a plan and was hiding out on the course for 12 hours.
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Yeah. It’s interesting that in any other shooting/planned shooting, one of the first questions is always “Where did they get the gun??”. I’ve heard nothing regarding that, with this incident. Stolen?? Provided?? Illegal purchase?? Something squirreled away from the days when he wasn’t prohibited from owning?? Weird.
 
DirtDocMD said:
Yeah. It’s interesting that in any other shooting/planned shooting, one of the first questions is always “Where did they get the gun??”. I’ve heard nothing regarding that, with this incident. Stolen?? Provided?? Illegal purchase?? Something squirreled away from the days when he wasn’t prohibited from owning?? Weird.
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As I understand it, private / person-to-person sales are legal in Florida without a FFL (dealer) intermediary or background check. I've seen reports that he bought the rifle immediately after arriving in the state.

It looked like an AK from the picture, which is not a great choice for a would-be sniper, so that suggests his purchase options might have been limited to what he could find P-to-P in a short time.
 
In terms of itinerary, historically as President, if Trump was in Florida or NY, there was a highly likelihood he was playing golf. this doesn’t necessarily require luck, just patience.

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