Another great reason to go DO

[DRLEWISDO]

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Folks:

This was another great year for DO's in the match. I know a ton of people who matched into top notch University Academic programs in competitive programs like Ortho, Ent, Neurosurgey, and General Surgery. The schools include Georgetown, UCSF, Duke, UNC, Hopkins, Harvard, and Penn to name a few. The days of DO's not being on equal footing as MD's are over. We can go into ANY specilaty in any hospital that we want. This is a very exciting time to be a DO. We are opening more schools yearly (as oppossed to MD schools, who have only been sanctioned to open one school in the past 20 years). There is a reason for this. Our education is better, in that we learn more. The National Accredditing bodies know this and have responded to what this country needs. MORE DO SCHOOLS. There is a time coming that we will "run" mainstream medicine as we know it. You will see DO's as chief of Staffs at Major academic powerhouses (Harvard, Cornell, Duke, EMory, etc..) and as we open new school yearly our numbers will grow. OMM is growing by leaps and bounds and you are going to start seeing the major payers of Insurance start taking DO's in leiu of MD's for their plans. We can offer more and we do it better. The public trust me loves teh fact that we are schooled in the art of "treating the whole patient". Our philosophy is what this country needs. I am one who could have went to a number of MD schools. I chose PCOM over schools like Penn State (Hershey), Temple Med, U PItt, OSU, NYMC, and MCV. What does that tell you.

I am here to congratulate you all on your CHOICE of going osteopathic. You are making the best practical and fincancial decision you could ever make.

Please do not misinterpret that I am knocking allopathic training. I am certainly not. We need to maintain the research structure that those institutions foster (as our own schools are lagging in this), but when it comes to clincal medicine actually "treating the patient", then you all know what the public wants. The AACOM has responded to this cry and has opened top flight academic institutions to meet this need.

Conratulations to all of those of you who have been granted the great honor to be accepted into an Osteopathic Medical School. PLease remember that "many are called". but "few are chosen".

Dr Lewis

 

[medic170]

We can go into ANY specilaty in any hospital that we want.

Wow! that is a pretty strong statement. Even GHarvard MD grads with top USMLE scores can't necessarilt go to ANY residency they want. You do have to interview and match you know.

Our education is better, in that we learn more.

Are you serious? You are doing a disservice to the DO profession my making a comparison like that.

There is a time coming that we will "run" mainstream medicine as we know it.

you are going to start seeing the major payers of Insurance start taking DO's in leiu of MD's for their plans.

LOL, why would they take one more than the other, that would be descrimination. 🙄

We can offer more and we do it better.

Opinions Vary

Even though I am going to an MD school, I am a strong proponent of osteopathic medicine, but your tactics on selling it will do the profession more harm than good. You are no better than the MD kids who claim allopthic medicine is better than osteopathic. Is it so hard to be content that they are both equal but different????

 

[chitown82]

Folks:

This was another great year for DO's in the match. I know a ton of people who matched into top notch University Academic programs in competitive programs like Ortho, Ent, Neurosurgey, and General Surgery. The schools include Georgetown, UCSF, Duke, UNC, Hopkins, Harvard, and Penn to name a few. The days of DO's not being on equal footing as MD's are over. We can go into ANY specilaty in any hospital that we want. This is a very exciting time to be a DO. We are opening more schools yearly (as oppossed to MD schools, who have only been sanctioned to open one school in the past 20 years). There is a reason for this. Our education is better, in that we learn more. The National Accredditing bodies know this and have responded to what this country needs. MORE DO SCHOOLS. There is a time coming that we will "run" mainstream medicine as we know it. You will see DO's as chief of Staffs at Major academic powerhouses (Harvard, Cornell, Duke, EMory, etc..) and as we open new school yearly our numbers will grow. OMM is growing by leaps and bounds and you are going to start seeing the major payers of Insurance start taking DO's in leiu of MD's for their plans. We can offer more and we do it better. The public trust me loves teh fact that we are schooled in the art of "treating the whole patient". Our philosophy is what this country needs. I am one who could have went to a number of MD schools. I chose PCOM over schools like Penn State (Hershey), Temple Med, U PItt, OSU, NYMC, and MCV. What does that tell you.

I am here to congratulate you all on your CHOICE of going osteopathic. You are making the best practical and fincancial decision you could ever make.

Please do not misinterpret that I am knocking allopathic training. I am certainly not. We need to maintain the research structure that those institutions foster (as our own schools are lagging in this), but when it comes to clincal medicine actually "treating the patient", then you all know what the public wants. The AACOM has responded to this cry and has opened top flight academic institutions to meet this need.

Conratulations to all of those of you who have been granted the great honor to be accepted into an Osteopathic Medical School. PLease remember that "many are called". but "few are chosen".

Dr Lewis

I'm glad that you are so proud to be part of the osteopathic philosophy, but you are sadly mistaken when you suggest an osteopathic education is better than an allopathic one. PART of the reason MCAT scores and average GPAs are less for osteopathic students than allopathic students is because DO students are less competitive. You are one of the few examples of students that sturn down an MD school for a DO school.

 

[turkdlit]

Even though I am going to an MD school, I am a strong proponent of osteopathic medicine, but your tactics on selling it will do the profession more harm than good. You are no better than the MD kids who claim allopthic medicine is better than osteopathic. Is it so hard to be content that they are both equal but different????

I'd personally take the word of an actual doctor (based on Dr. Lewis' user name, I'm assuming) who knows about osteopathic medicine, than a, "eh-hem", know-it-all pre-med. Thank you, Dr. Lewis for this enthusiastic and postitive thread.

 

[turkdlit]

I'm glad that you are so proud to be part of the osteopathic philosophy, but you are sadly mistaken when you suggest an osteopathic education is better than an allopathic one. PART of the reason MCAT scores and average GPAs are less for osteopathic students than allopathic students is because DO students are less competitive. You are one of the few examples of students that sturn down an MD school for a DO school.

MCAT and GPA scores in relation to med school admission is just a factor of the emphasis a certain school places on what they want out of their students. Some schools emphasize it more than others, and in general, allopathic schools emphasize these more than allopathic schools. And while osteopathic schools do have lower numbers, nobody can argue that the minuscule difference between a 3.5-30 MD applicant and a 3.3-27 DO applicant will translate the former into a superior doctor, in any sense...you're nuts if you think that. I wouldn't argue that one is superior than the other though...maybe if we compare research or primary clinical skills, there would be a difference...but we'll all be collegues, with good and bad doctors on either end.

 

[LVDoc]

I'd personally take the word of an actual doctor (based on Dr. Lewis' user name, I'm assuming) who knows about osteopathic medicine, than a, "eh-hem", know-it-all pre-med. Thank you, Dr. Lewis for this enthusiastic and postitive thread.

That was one of the first things I saw, well, before I started to read some of the rest of the nasty comments anyway.

Thanks Dr. Lewis! That was a very encouraging post! 👍

Edited:

I don't mean to say anything offensive about allopathic medicine, but I do really think that we need to have more advocates in this profession, and Dr. Lewis is a good example of one.

 

[DRLEWISDO]

Your welcome to the above poster. I re-read my post and while I can see some allopaths taking offesne they need not do so. Allopathic Medicine is a much needed branch of medicine, but my point was really to extol the virtues of Osteopathy and NOT deniigrade allopathy.

The "inferiority" complex that I see some DO students have saddens me. This profession can only grow when the infrastructure (the up and coming students) start taking the responsibility to lead this profession.

As to the poster who said that I am one of the few students who turned down an MD school for a DO school, that is simply NOT true. I precept for many DO students in my office (and I have asked approximately 39 students this exact question over the past 14 months). 36 of them were accepted to both MD and DO schools and chose DO. 2 of them were NOT accepted to any MD schools ( I am not counting the offshore diploma mills (SGU, AUC, Ross, etc..) that have partly ruined the credibilty of medical education, and one of them ONLY applied to DO schools. While this personal study is by no means a fully valid scientific study, it does have merit. Getting accepted to a DO school now days is as difficult as getting accepted to 2nd and 3rd tier US medical schools (i.e Temple, Jefferson, U Miami, etc..).

I do want to make a comment regarding the people on this baord who have questioned going to a carribean off shore school over a DO school. This is such a ludicrous question. I sit on the committee of a big time academic family and community medicine program and we as a matter of principle will NOT even entertain the applications of students who have attended these "types" of schools. You have to realize the greatly inferior training that "those" students get when compared to those of main stream medicine (Osteopathic and Alloptahic institutions alike). Yes, this may seem insulting to caribbean students, but this is a fact that you will face if you choose this route. The choice is ALWAYS going to be a student of an accreddited Osteopathic school or Allopthaic school over a FMG. This is reality people.

DO NOT go the caribbean and think you will make it back to mainstream medicine without a lot of questions coming from us in academic medicine.

Dr Lewis

 

[cfdavid]

I do want to make a comment regarding the people on this baord who have questioned going to a carribean off shore school over a DO school. This is such a ludicrous question. I sit on the committee of a big time academic family and community medicine program and we as a matter of principle will NOT even entertain the applications of students who have attended these "types" of schools. You have to realize the greatly inferior training that "those" students get when compared to those of main stream medicine (Osteopathic and Alloptahic institutions alike). Yes, this may seem insulting to caribbean students, but this is a fact that you will face if you choose this route. The choice is ALWAYS going to be a student of an accreddited Osteopathic school or Allopthaic school over a FMG. This is reality people.

DO NOT go the caribbean and think you will make it back to mainstream medicine without a lot of questions coming from us in academic medicine.

Dr Lewis

I never quite understood how some (as we know, mostly pre-meds, and not people in the real world) could look down upon a DO, while not even questioning the quality of education of some of the MD FMG's. And not just the Carribean. But, MANY other countries who's graduates make up a significant portion of working MD's in this country.

Now, I'm not suggesting that there aren't some very good quality, and competitive, schools in some middle eastern or other developing nations. But, the bottom line is that many do not meet the standards of any U.S. graduate institution (DO or MD).

This morning, I was talking with my sister-in-law's mom. She used to be the office manager for a family practice residency program at a top hospital in Michigan. She basically indicated that they would almost always select a U.S. schooled (and trained) prospect over an FMG. The reason she gave me was that "their standards are a lot different than here".

I also asked about DO's, and she spoke highly of the DO's that went through the residency program. She even suggested that DO's were well thought of in terms of having had an additional year of internship prior to the residency (like they hit the ground running as a result). This was just what she said, as I personally am not super partial to either pathway. I will apply to both MD and DO, and I've had great experiences with both. But never a bad experience with a DO really. And that makes a difference to me. But, they will always be a minority in the profession, and the majority tends to rule in a democracy.

Regardless, I will always advocate the fact that to be a good doctor is really up to the individual. Attitude, and passion play a huge role in how a doctor will ultimately perform over the long run. And not where you went to school.
I had a family doctor as a kid that went to school in the Carribean. He did a good job for us, and that's all that mattered.

 

[medic170]

Your welcome to the above poster. I re-read my post and while I can see some allopaths taking offesne they need not do so. Allopathic Medicine is a much needed branch of medicine, but my point was really to extol the virtues of Osteopathy and NOT deniigrade allopathy.

The "inferiority" complex that I see some DO students have saddens me. This profession can only grow when the infrastructure (the up and coming students) start taking the responsibility to lead this profession.

As to the poster who said that I am one of the few students who turned down an MD school for a DO school, that is simply NOT true. I precept for many DO students in my office (and I have asked approximately 39 students this exact question over the past 14 months). 36 of them were accepted to both MD and DO schools and chose DO. 2 of them were NOT accepted to any MD schools ( I am not counting the offshore diploma mills (SGU, AUC, Ross, etc..) that have partly ruined the credibilty of medical education, and one of them ONLY applied to DO schools. While this personal study is by no means a fully valid scientific study, it does have merit. Getting accepted to a DO school now days is as difficult as getting accepted to 2nd and 3rd tier US medical schools (i.e Temple, Jefferson, U Miami, etc..).

I do want to make a comment regarding the people on this baord who have questioned going to a carribean off shore school over a DO school. This is such a ludicrous question. I sit on the committee of a big time academic family and community medicine program and we as a matter of principle will NOT even entertain the applications of students who have attended these "types" of schools. You have to realize the greatly inferior training that "those" students get when compared to those of main stream medicine (Osteopathic and Alloptahic institutions alike). Yes, this may seem insulting to caribbean students, but this is a fact that you will face if you choose this route. The choice is ALWAYS going to be a student of an accreddited Osteopathic school or Allopthaic school over a FMG. This is reality people.

DO NOT go the caribbean and think you will make it back to mainstream medicine without a lot of questions coming from us in academic medicine.

Dr Lewis

I guess I just don't understand why you have to talk down on U.S. MD schools, and IMG's in order to justify the positives of your profession. Why can't you just be happy and excited about osteopathic medicine without using the rediculous notion that it is somehow better than allopathic medicine, and thaat you are automatically a better doctor because you are a DO. I guess MD's just do not know how to practice holistic medicine. Well, when you take opver the mainstream, try not to rag on the U.S> MD's and the IMG's too much. 🙄

 

[dignan]

"I sit on the committee of a big time academic family"


I am fairly new to SDN...
and it is ridiculous how many times phrases like these have come up on the post boards. I just can't believe that anybody who has risen to a position of distinction in the academic world would anonymously post something like this, much less with so many spelling and punctuation errors.
Hey, osteopathic medicine is great. But if this guy is a doctor, I will eat my keyboard.

p.s. I am the president of an AWESOME college.

 

[toughlife]

Folks:

This was another great year for DO's in the match. I know a ton of people who matched into top notch University Academic programs in competitive programs like Ortho, Ent, Neurosurgey, and General Surgery. The schools include Georgetown, UCSF, Duke, UNC, Hopkins, Harvard, and Penn to name a few. The days of DO's not being on equal footing as MD's are over. We can go into ANY specilaty in any hospital that we want. This is a very exciting time to be a DO. We are opening more schools yearly (as oppossed to MD schools, who have only been sanctioned to open one school in the past 20 years). There is a reason for this. Our education is better, in that we learn more. The National Accredditing bodies know this and have responded to what this country needs. MORE DO SCHOOLS. There is a time coming that we will "run" mainstream medicine as we know it. You will see DO's as chief of Staffs at Major academic powerhouses (Harvard, Cornell, Duke, EMory, etc..) and as we open new school yearly our numbers will grow. OMM is growing by leaps and bounds and you are going to start seeing the major payers of Insurance start taking DO's in leiu of MD's for their plans. We can offer more and we do it better. The public trust me loves teh fact that we are schooled in the art of "treating the whole patient". Our philosophy is what this country needs. I am one who could have went to a number of MD schools. I chose PCOM over schools like Penn State (Hershey), Temple Med, U PItt, OSU, NYMC, and MCV. What does that tell you.

I am here to congratulate you all on your CHOICE of going osteopathic. You are making the best practical and fincancial decision you could ever make.

Please do not misinterpret that I am knocking allopathic training. I am certainly not. We need to maintain the research structure that those institutions foster (as our own schools are lagging in this), but when it comes to clincal medicine actually "treating the patient", then you all know what the public wants. The AACOM has responded to this cry and has opened top flight academic institutions to meet this need.

Conratulations to all of those of you who have been granted the great honor to be accepted into an Osteopathic Medical School. PLease remember that "many are called". but "few are chosen".

Dr Lewis

Did those students show you the letters of acceptance they got from the allopathic schools they were accepted to?

I smell a troll...

 

[medic170]

I smell a troll...

Yeah, but at least he is a different troll. Most trolls dog DO's, this guy is hatin' on the MD's 😱

 

[LVDoc]

Did those students show you the letters of acceptance they got from the allopathic schools they were accepted to?

I smell a troll...

I smell someone who's arrogant...

Judging by one of your previous posts, anyway:

and I am glad they do. Having many DOs in top programs lowers the reputation of the program since they are seen as inherently inferior.

 

[Phil Anthropist]

MD vs. DO threads 👎

 

[DRLEWISDO]

"I sit on the committee of a big time academic family"


I am fairly new to SDN...
and it is ridiculous how many times phrases like these have come up on the post boards. I just can't believe that anybody who has risen to a position of distinction in the academic world would anonymously post something like this, much less with so many spelling and punctuation errors.
Hey, osteopathic medicine is great. But if this guy is a doctor, I will eat my keyboard.

p.s. I am the president of an AWESOME college.

Thank you for your response to my thread. I reviewed my posts and indeed there are many spelling errors. For this I apologize. The fact of the matter is that I did not proof read my post. I type very fast and make mistakes. I am sorry that my grammar mistakes took away from the body and meaning of my post.

Dr Lewis

 

[smc927]

MCAT and GPA scores in relation to med school admission is just a factor of the emphasis a certain school places on what they want out of their students. Some schools emphasize it more than others, and in general, allopathic schools emphasize these more than allopathic schools. And while osteopathic schools do have lower numbers, nobody can argue that the minuscule difference between a 3.5-30 MD applicant and a 3.3-27 DO applicant will translate the former into a superior doctor, in any sense...you're nuts if you think that. I wouldn't argue that one is superior than the other though...maybe if we compare research or primary clinical skills, there would be a difference...but we'll all be collegues, with good and bad doctors on either end.

I got an account at medschoolstats.com and have come to see that the numbers for some D.O. schools are higher than people think. And the numbers for some M.D. schools are lower than people think.

 

[dignan]

The spelling is a very small part of it... mostly it is the way with which you seem to be building yourself up... almost as if over-compensating. But now that I think about it, I guess that means you are DEFINITELY a doctor.

Dignan, president of Awesome State University

 

[bobo]

This DrLewis character is without a doubt a troll. Pretty funny though.

 

[criminallyinane]

Our education is better, in that we learn more.

ND's learn "more" about natural remedies for illness; does that make them better than DO's or MD's?

There is a time coming that we will "run" mainstream medicine as we know it.

 

[criminallyinane]

I'd personally take the word of an actual doctor (based on Dr. Lewis' user name, I'm assuming) who knows about osteopathic medicine, than a, "eh-hem", know-it-all pre-med. Thank you, Dr. Lewis for this enthusiastic and postitive thread.

Of course you'd rather listen to an Osteopathic physician than a pre-allo pre-med. The DO jives more with your personal philosophy. But your implication that having a DO degree makes one more qualified to compare and contrast osteopathic and allopathic educations is false.

 

[DRLEWISDO]

Of course you'd rather listen to an Osteopathic physician than a pre-allo pre-med. The DO jives more with your personal philosophy. But your implication that having a DO degree makes one more qualified to compare and contrast osteopathic and allopathic educations is false.

Crimimallyinane:

I am BOARD CERTIFIED in Family Medicine and teach both osteopathic and allopathic medical students. In addition I am an Associate Professor at a US allopathic Medical School and am on the admissions committe of the Family and Comunity Medicine ACGME accredited program. My qualifications far exceed yours from which I gather DO NOT even include a Bachelor's degree yet. You are the exact kind of student who does a great disservice to these types of forums. You DO NOT have any qualifications AT ALL to even attempt to call in to question my views. You have not even taken one medical school test yet. Please STOP embarassing yourself now.

Thank You

Dr Lewis

 

[OSUdoc08]

ND's learn "more" about natural remedies for illness; does that make them better than DO's or MD's?

They learn less about actual medicine.

Keep in mind that DO's and MD's can do allopathic residencies, since DO's learn all that MD's do.

Only DO's can do osteopathic residencies, because of the additional qualifications.

ND's can do neither, and are not fully licensed medical physicians.

 

[medic170]

Crimimallyinane:

I am BOARD CERTIFIED in Family Medicine and teach both osteopathic and allopathic medical students. In addition I am an Associate Professor at a US allopathic Medical School and am on the admissions committe of the Family and Comunity Medicine ACGME accredited program. My qualifications far exceed yours from which I gather DO NOT even include a Bachelor's degree yet. You are the exact kind of student who does a great disservice to these types of forums. You DO NOT have any qualifications AT ALL to even attempt to call in to question my views. You have not even taken one medical school test yet. Please STOP embarassing yourself now.

Thank You

Dr Lewis

Personally, I think you are Board Certified as a Fellow of American College of Trolls.

 

[Doc 2b]

This is just the same thread closed last april. I wonder if I was a BOARD CERTIFIED physician would I be surfing the net of pre-med forums. Doubtful.

MOD - Please close this ridiculous thread.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Folks:

This was another great year for DO's in the match. I know a ton of people who matched into top notch University Academic programs in competitive programs like Ortho, Ent, Neurosurgey, and General Surgery. The schools include Georgetown, UCSF, Duke, UNC, Hopkins, Harvard, and Penn to name a few. The days of DO's not being on equal footing as MD's are over. We can go into ANY specilaty in any hospital that we want. This is a very exciting time to be a DO. We are opening more schools yearly (as oppossed to MD schools, who have only been sanctioned to open one school in the past 20 years). There is a reason for this. Our education is better, in that we learn more. The National Accredditing bodies know this and have responded to what this country needs. MORE DO SCHOOLS. There is a time coming that we will "run" mainstream medicine as we know it. You will see DO's as chief of Staffs at Major academic powerhouses (Harvard, Cornell, Duke, EMory, etc..) and as we open new school yearly our numbers will grow. OMM is growing by leaps and bounds and you are going to start seeing the major payers of Insurance start taking DO's in leiu of MD's for their plans. We can offer more and we do it better. The public trust me loves teh fact that we are schooled in the art of "treating the whole patient". Our philosophy is what this country needs. I am one who could have went to a number of MD schools. I chose PCOM over schools like Penn State (Hershey), Temple Med, U PItt, OSU, NYMC, and MCV. What does that tell you.

I am here to congratulate you all on your CHOICE of going osteopathic. You are making the best practical and fincancial decision you could ever make.

Please do not misinterpret that I am knocking allopathic training. I am certainly not. We need to maintain the research structure that those institutions foster (as our own schools are lagging in this), but when it comes to clincal medicine actually "treating the patient", then you all know what the public wants. The AACOM has responded to this cry and has opened top flight academic institutions to meet this need.

Conratulations to all of those of you who have been granted the great honor to be accepted into an Osteopathic Medical School. PLease remember that "many are called". but "few are chosen".

Dr Lewis

ur a fu-ckin idiot, dude

DO's are almost entirely composed of MD rejects and thus, they make inferior docs and you know it. (and dont try and justify against this based on the fact that you turned down MD schools to go DO which i believe is complete bull$hit anyway)

glorifying the DO profession over the MD prof is so nonsensical it's completely trollish on your part

be gone u lame-ass chiropractor 👎

 

[OSUdoc08]

ur a fu-ckin idiot, dude

DO's are almost entirely composed of MD rejects and thus, they make inferior docs and you know it. (and dont try and justify against this based on the fact that you turned down MD schools to go DO which i believe is complete bull$hit anyway)

glorifying the DO profession over the MD prof is so nonsensical it's completely trollish on your part

be gone u lame-ass chiropractor 👎

Nope, that would be YOU.

😴

 

[tkim]

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