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After talking with some fellow applicants, it seems many people received encouraging letters, emails, and phone calls from programs regarding how highly they would be ranked. I am concerned since I did not receive such assurances, even the generic BS ones like we "we will rank you highly" (even after sending my top ranked programs letters expressing my enthusiasm). I thought my interviews went well for the most part and I don't have any axis II psych disorders or personality traits that am I aware of (although, by definition, if you have one you are not aware of it). Am I just paranoid or do I have some cause for concern? Thanks in advance
 
Just to save someone the trouble of the telling me to read the interview impressions section, someone posed a similar question and our moderator did state not to worry if we hadn't heard anything from programs. However this was in January and I'm interested in hearing some recent input.
 
Why would you think things would have changed? Many of us are not current applicants but past ones. If you don't hear anything, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Some programs contact no one. Some others contact a select few (like their top 10). Others contact everyone.

The main point is that there is absolutely nothing you can do at this point. You cannot rise in the rankings or fall. So all you can do is make yourself more nervous. Just ignore things until match day. If it helps, shut off your computer.

People get so clutched about these things that they can do nothing about.
 
I think it just depends on which programs were your "top programs." I think some programs may just not write encouraging emails. Anyway, you just have to wait one more week to find out if you matched. That's just about 5 mg of alprazolam away if taken .25 TID. You'll know where in less then 8 mg 😉
 
someone posed a similar question and our moderator did state not to worry if we hadn't heard anything from programs.

Nelk6, whoever that is, posted that topic. For what it's worth, he/she only heard from Mayo Jax, as did some others apparently--although I didn't hear from them🙂. As for myself, same boat as you...but I was a total jerk on the interview trail😀.

Anybody willing to post using the RadOnc Monkey or impressions account some programs known to send out these statements of interest?


1. MayoJax
 
got the generic stanford email, but otherwise nothing... no personal emails for sure... guess i wont match...👎
 
1. MayoJax
2. Loyola
 
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The main point is that there is absolutely nothing you can do at this point. You cannot rise in the rankings or fall...

Well, we still have a week before Match Day to commit a felony..
 
Is anyone else having dreams about matching at certain places? Last night I dreamed I matched at one place and woke up really depressed. My friend had the same experience happen to her. Anyone else having these pre-match dreams (nightmares)?
 
Is anyone else having dreams about matching at certain places? Last night I dreamed I matched at one place and woke up really depressed. My friend had the same experience happen to her. Anyone else having these pre-match dreams (nightmares)?

Last week I dreamed I matched to the categorical position in Indiana. I was pretty happy to buy a house a year sooner.
 
committing a felony won't prevent match but may prevent matriculation. that would stink.
unmatch day is soon here!
good luck to everyone : )

yes, out of our hands now, until Tuesday if necessary. Question, if we unmatch, I wonder how does the scramble work? when can we start contacting programs? do we have to fax them our cv's and letters?
anyone gone through the scramble before? if so, can you share your experiences using the impressions account?
 
In terms of scrambling, I think the time you can start contacting programs is 11-12 noon (i'm not completely sure, but I think the times are on the nrmp site). You typically just use ERAS to send your application materials, I didn't have to fax anything to any programs on scramble day last year. You also need to call the programs to ensure they really do have open spots, as some were erroneously listed last year. It's typically hard to get through to the program coordinator (secretary) and next to impossible to speak to the program director. You should use your resources, i.e. rad onc mentors, to see if they know anyone at the programs with openings. Sometimes this is enough to secure an interview.
That's the other thing, at best expect to walk away from scramble day with an interview offer as opposed to an actual position. Last year most programs with spots, to my knowledge, took a few weeks to review the candidates and then invited them for interviews.
Overall it's a hectic and stressful time period. It was about august when I finally got my offer for a 2008 spot. You just need to stay positive, keep in contact with your home department and let everyone else you know in the field (even programs you interviewed at) that you are looking for a position. This can pay off, as I actually got an offer for a 2008 position interview as recently as 2 months ago. It can also help to get in contact with the president of ARRO to let them know you are looking for a spot, as sometimes they hear about open spots sooner. Not matching isn't the end of the world, in the past year there were a number of spots (8-10?) that were either not matched or opened afterwards, for which an interview was highly likely for an unmatched candidate.
hope this is helpful, but hope you don't need this advice come tuesday. Best of luck.
 
In any department that has an opening, talk to more than a receptionist and do not take no for an answer until you talk to someone that matters.

When told no, if you stop there, it's over.

I'd even go as far as to say as paging the program director. You need to talk to someone. One of the mistakes I made was for internship. My first choice program, Mayo Scottsdale, I did not link to my rad-onc list (I set up my list to end at radonc programs; if I did not get a spot - no internship either). After match, Mayo contacted me and asked me why I did not rank them (they had an opening after the match), and that they thought I would be with them that year. I told them what I did, then explained that during scramble I called in and talked to some random office person and faxed info... they said I should have called the PD or paged him directly, they would have offered me the spot.

Bother them. Worst case scenario, you get rejected. That's where you already are. During my 2nd application process, I contacted USC about another interview (they give me one the year before, but took someone else). The program director sounded very annoyed and told me next time to call the coordinator, but they had already decided on who they wanted to interview. Four months later, the PD contacted me for an outside the match spot.

Assert yourself - it is your career. From the stats 20-30 of you won't match. Do your best to call up programs that have openings and talk to decision makers. E-mail/call every place that rejected you and thank them for the interview and tell them your situation. Tell them to keep you in mind if anything opens up or to let you know about other opportunities.

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really appreciate your advice and for being so open. probably not a lot of people will post (but a lot of us who are a bit nervous will read these posts). thanks.
 
I went through the scramble last year (didn't successfully scramble, but just matched this year!).

At 11:30, you will get a list of unfilled programs on the NRMP website. At 12:00 you can start contacting the programs. You are also able to send them applications free of charge on the ERAS website. I got an e-mail from ERAS explaining this.

I far as calling is concerned, I would suggest talking to the faculty in your rad onc department about making calls or sending e-mails on your behalf. My department was very good about doing that.

Last year, none of the Rad Onc spots filled right away (except for one spot in CA, which might have been listed by mistake). Most wanted to conduct interviews, and not commit to someone in the two days of the scramble. One place decided not to fill their spot.

The NRMP website is listing 8 unmatched positions for the scramble in Rad Onc (4 in the Central US and 4 in the Northeastern). Some of these might be due to programs who are not in the match this year but accidentally remained on the match's list (like UMDNJ, Columbia, and Northwestern) http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=6171391.

Good luck to everyone!
 
I don't think that those unfilled numbers include Northwestern's 3 spots. After adding up all of the spots that were ACTUALLY available in the central region, I came up with 31. The NRMP website says that there were actually 29. I can't account for the discrepancy, but it definitely looks like those 4 spots are for real. Good luck to those in the scramble!
 
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