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Pretty big facility. Devastating for that community.
 
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We need to accept we cant have everything. If these hospitals are so critical to these communities they need to fund them better. It is all about money. 160k people seems like a decent population and should be self sustaining unless there is extreme poverty there which might be the case. If so the state of California can sort it out.

Personally, I think too many of these Rinky dink hospitals are around and are pretty useless. Just glorified urgent care centers. Sure some are “real” hospitals but many have no resources have some washed up doc with a long med mal history providing care etc. These hospitals have the option to go to the city and get more money. Keep in mind these are usually major employers for these towns.

I for one believe if you want the benefits of rural living cheap space, lots of land and privacy, slower pace of living, then you have to accept the downside. Fewer resources, things are a pain in the butt etc. The economics of it dictate it to be this way.
 
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I'm surprised the NPs didn't come to the rescue of this facility, yano, since they provide cheaper, equivalent care, in rural settings, in orser to combat the "provider shortage." Oh thats right they're all injecting botox and filler.
 
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Population of Madera, according to google is 66,000. Bigger than my town of 50,000 which has an academic medical center and a corporate owned hospital. Kind of a stretch to call that rural IMO. I’ve always called my hospital “semi-rural“ in that it’s in a town of 6000 people, a county of 21,000 with a poverty rate of 24%. ER volume is the same as the corporate owned hospital in my hometown.

At any rate I’m sure there is no shortage of hugely profitable industrial farms there around Madera.
 
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I agree with @EctopicFetus’s general sentiment, but disagree regarding that population size and scale (city 68K, county 159K). It’s a very small city, and perhaps semi-rural, but not rural, rural. That city and county population should certainly be able to support a small hospital. I know of other similarly sized places that have level 2 trauma centers and profitable hospitals (even if barely). Probably payer mixes that also aren’t too dissimilar either despite being poor. In todays’ capitalistic health care environment that can unfortunately be a challenge though for smaller independent hospitals that aren’t part of a larger system or subsidized critical access hospitals.
 
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It is also only 20 miles away from Fresno and its 4 hospitals. It would be a bigger loss if it was more remote.
 
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My last s*** job was rural - 30 miles from the next closest hospital, 100 miles from a city with population over 50k, and no hospitalist, surgeon Monday 8am to Thursday 5pm (on the dot), no ICU, but ortho. No other specialists. Eye was very kindly covered at another hospital, which was the doc's office, and he did sx there to keep his privileges. They were staffed with ODs (who are actually really remarkable, in a good way). The closest ENT retired, so, no more. Closest urologists, one retired, the other became a weed doc (and was unceremoniously cut loose from our hospital - don't know the whole story there).

So, that rural and my rural don't look alike.
 
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How is this even a story? Mandera county is 22 miles away from the nearest Fresno hospital. Go to Texas and you will find hundreds of these communities that are similar.

Bastrop county is 100K+ and its 30 miles away from the closest hospital that will admit anything or does OB.
 
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I genuinely wonder.
Small hospital.
Small finances.
Easy for admins to steal.
Admins steal.
/MFW hospital closes.
 
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I’m working in 2 counties - one has a 9000 population and the other is 10000.

This small-ish city is not rural. They probably had plenty of volume too - my county of 10k population weirdly enough results in 10k a year annual visits.

All hospitals have struggled over the last two years due to huge increase in staffing costs, a lot of national hospitals have been in the red. This hospital probably just didn’t have a string enough balance sheet to push through the storm and most likely it must have been mismanaged as well.

Though a lot of hospitals might fall, but the financials are starting to look better for the industry.

Socks for the County, but at least they are within a 25 mile drive of larger resources.
 
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We need to accept we cant have everything. If these hospitals are so critical to these communities they need to fund them better. It is all about money. 160k people seems like a decent population and should be self sustaining unless there is extreme poverty there which might be the case. If so the state of California can sort it out.

Personally, I think too many of these Rinky dink hospitals are around and are pretty useless. Just glorified urgent care centers. Sure some are “real” hospitals but many have no resources have some washed up doc with a long med mal history providing care etc. These hospitals have the option to go to the city and get more money. Keep in mind these are usually major employers for these towns.

I for one believe if you want the benefits of rural living cheap space, lots of land and privacy, slower pace of living, then you have to accept the downside. Fewer resources, things are a pain in the butt etc. The economics of it dictate it to be this way.

Agreed, especially when it comes to maternity care. Why the media is obsessed with the closure of rural maternity wards that deliver like ten babies a year, I do not know. It's not sustainable, and the care just can't be good at that volume. If anything goes seriously wrong, it's not like a rural facility can handle it, anyway.

We need to reimagine the model of rural/semi-rural care. Inpatient care, obstetrics, yes, you go to the big house, no reason to keep a facility open for the occasional appy. But we need rural/semi-rural centers that can do dialysis, chemo, prenatal appointments, cancer screening, some rehab, robust home care, primary care, imaging, lab work, diabetes management, wound care etc in rural areas, telehealth, some form of urgent care as well as more accessible transport to larger facilities
 
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I don’t know why we expect places to support a hospital that can’t support a Chick-Fil-A.
 
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Agreed, especially when it comes to maternity care. Why the media is obsessed with the closure of rural maternity wards that deliver like ten babies a year, I do not know. It's not sustainable, and the care just can't be good at that volume. If anything goes seriously wrong, it's not like a rural facility can handle it, anyway.
It’s definitely not safe for rural hospitals to try to offer services without significant volume. I’ve seen my share of disasters where a rural hospital should’ve shipped something out far earlier than they did. In all reality, rural hospitals should just merge with a larger system so they have access to easy transfers and competent staff. Rural hospitals also need to be ok with merging services with other rural hospitals. In NW Ohio, where my wife grew up, there probably are 10 rural hospitals in a relatively small area. About half offer maternity care, usually delivering less than 200 or so a year. But any discussion of merger sets off 200 year old rivalries and bizarre hatred for nearby towns. It’s all just very odd to me.
 
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It’s definitely not safe for rural hospitals to try to offer services without significant volume. I’ve seen my share of disasters where a rural hospital should’ve shipped something out far earlier than they did. In all reality, rural hospitals should just merge with a larger system so they have access to easy transfers and competent staff. Rural hospitals also need to be ok with merging services with other rural hospitals. In NW Ohio, where my wife grew up, there probably are 10 rural hospitals in a relatively small area. About half offer maternity care, usually delivering less than 200 or so a year. But any discussion of merger sets off 200 year old rivalries and bizarre hatred for nearby towns. It’s all just very odd to me.

Yep, and I bet those towns aren't more than half an hour apart, either, and that the local population is both aging and shrinking with a declining need for maternity services and an increasing need for tertiary care services.
 
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It’s definitely not safe for rural hospitals to try to offer services without significant volume. I’ve seen my share of disasters where a rural hospital should’ve shipped something out far earlier than they did. In all reality, rural hospitals should just merge with a larger system so they have access to easy transfers and competent staff. Rural hospitals also need to be ok with merging services with other rural hospitals. In NW Ohio, where my wife grew up, there probably are 10 rural hospitals in a relatively small area. About half offer maternity care, usually delivering less than 200 or so a year. But any discussion of merger sets off 200 year old rivalries and bizarre hatred for nearby towns. It’s all just very odd to me.

Yeah but my cousin Bobby who was a star quarterback back in jr high in ‘48 was mistreated by this nurse at THEIR hospital and now none of us want anything to do with them. I’ll die instead of going over there!
 
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Yeah but my cousin Bobby who was a star quarterback back in jr high in ‘48 was mistreated by this nurse at THEIR hospital and now none of us want anything to do with them. I’ll die instead of going over there!
This is definitely an issue with all hospitals, but a bigger problem with rural ones.
 
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Yeah but my cousin Bobby who was a star quarterback back in jr high in ‘48 was mistreated by this nurse at THEIR hospital and now none of us want anything to do with them. I’ll die instead of going over there!

Dear Lord, the number of times that I have heard some variation of this....
 
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Yep, and I bet those towns aren't more than half an hour apart, either, and that the local population is both aging and shrinking with a declining need for maternity services and an increasing need for tertiary care services.

1. You're not wrong.

2. In my head, I keep thinking that there will be this great return of the young to the small towns because of remote work, sky-high urban housing costs and (insert other factors here). I should probably give up on that line of thought.
 
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1. You're not wrong.

2. In my head, I keep thinking that there will be this great return of the young to the small towns because of remote work, sky-high urban housing costs and (insert other factors here). I should probably give up on that line of thought.
I suspect the only thing that would make (2) happen at this point is if the average young person becomes disillusioned with the whole moving-away-for-college thing.

In particular, the corporate masters of The Young appear to be cracking down on Work From Home again, so little chance that (eg) your average Googler in the Bay Area is able to return home to OH without giving up $millions in expected lifetime earnings.

I say these things as a middle-age person who did recently move back to a small town near home. I hope more people decide to as well.
 
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1. You're not wrong.

2. In my head, I keep thinking that there will be this great return of the young to the small towns because of remote work, sky-high urban housing costs and (insert other factors here). I should probably give up on that line of thought.

Well, only the young that don't need to work, either by way of government or family benefits.

I love small town life. I love my Dad's small town in Indiana. But there aren't any jobs. The jobs that exist (family doctor) will fry you hard. There are very few educated people, and fewer interested in education. There are a ton of drugs in many (not all) small towns, high rates of teen pregnancy, high rates of suicide and overdose, and aside from ranching and farming and college towns, not a ton of people seemingly interested in work. And many nonwhite folks and LBGTQ+ folks don't feel (rightly or wrongly) comfortable in small towns.

I guess...why live in Canton, when you can live in (or on the outskirts of) Cleveland, Cincinnati, or Columbus, all of which offer a great cost of living with more amenities?
 
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Yeah but my cousin Bobby who was a star quarterback back in jr high in ‘48 was mistreated by this nurse at THEIR hospital and now none of us want anything to do with them. I’ll die instead of going over there!
These are the folks that think, when someone dies, that means someone killed them.
 
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Funny enough if anything I'd say the work from home situation has caused more young professionals to move to cities.

Manhattan has actually gotten worse over the past few years with 500SQFT apts now going for 5K a month regularly.

The biggest problem with rural towns apart from other fairly obvious reasons is that for typical young professionals they don't offer any of the lifestyle benefits that most people expect when they choose where to live and raise a family. It's hard for people to imagine living in rural towns without having their favorite grocery stores, beauty salons, and spin classes not to mention their lack of high quality wine bars. Most people will happily spend thousands more in rent if that means they aren't forced to be shopping at Wal Mart and eating at Waffle House on the weekends.
 
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Rural areas have to be changed the country is just so big.

It’s laughable to suggest that educated youth will want to go to a rural area.

It’s hard to meet someone and it isn’t a good place to start a family

You expect a Family Med doctor to set up a rural clinic and take additional loans for Medicaid patients? 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Rural areas are generally very underrated by us higher educated and higher paid types because we expect certain creature comforts that require a certain critical mass that rural areas simply cannot sustain. However, rural areas provide a lot of amenities that that far surpass what lower income or lower educated peoples would be getting in quality of life in other areas. There are lots of areas and lots of small towns that lose their major factory and begin hallowing out and dying. Very true. There are also lots of other towns that still have whatever industry is there and is dying for a manual skilled workforce for solid middle class wages.

It’s hard to appreciate that until you see immigrants thrive in these communities or see gentrified out low SES people leave a big city and go flourish in a rural boring small town where the crappy education not good enough for your kids are still a massive upgrade and safer than where they came from.

There are small towns across the country with manufacturing plants for snow plows, salon chairs, and lots of other obscure random things that we don’t think about that provide very good jobs for those communities and are in desperate need of more people moving there.

I’ve talked with friends before about how much I wish there were organizations or businesses that could facilitate this better, but it’s clearly a very time intensive thing to find employers who want to hire and to find people who want to make that move and need the push. I’ve personally talked to a single mom once whose kid was in all sorts of trouble in school and stuff and they moved to a rural community far away from the big city with its gangs and violence that her kid got into. She loved it. The schools were mediocre but a massive upgrade for her kids. The homes were old and plain, but she could actually buy it and invest some sweat equity and work on it. Unfortunately, her boyfriend/baby daddy situation wasn’t helping as he was a bum who didn’t help and when he showed up caused more problems than he was worth. Such is life and she choose her kids future and safety over her happiness minus the baby daddy situation.

There’s lifestyle arbitrage that would be a boon for lots of small towns and lots of people from bigger towns but it’s not as easy to pull off and hence why only immigrants with cohesive family units or no family at all are able to find those opportunities and maximize their personal gain in these situations. To the betterment of everyone involved in my opinion.

TLDR: not all rural communities are created equal and some can be a great opportunity for some people.
 
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In a country this big with much of the population decentralized, it's nearly impossible to offer all medical services to all people. This is one way that universal healthcare is an improbability. Can you guarantee every person in sparsely populated rural communities "equal access to free healthcare"? Sure you can make the promise, but delivering on it wouldn't be possible in the physical world we live in.
 
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"Don't send me to that **** hole in the city." Patient is generally referring to the tertiary care center that my group also staffs and I frequently work.
That's one of my favorite complaints when the patient complains about all the ER doctors at one of your sister facilities but they're all staffed by the same people. It shows you how ridiculous Press Ganey is when they say they always get good care at 'X' facility but always get awful care at 'Y' facility. It also helps when you have a slow facility where it always gets the best PG scores and another busy facility that routinely gets awful scores and it's the same docs. Admin won't understand that so much more than what we control goes into it but at least the hard data is there.
 
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That's one of my favorite complaints when the patient complains about all the ER doctors at one of your sister facilities but they're all staffed by the same people. It shows you how ridiculous Press Ganey is when they say they always get good care at 'X' facility but always get awful care at 'Y' facility. It also helps when you have a slow facility where it always gets the best PG scores and another busy facility that routinely gets awful scores and it's the same docs. Admin won't understand that so much more than what we control goes into it but at least the hard data is there.
It’s because much of their experience is related to RNs, techs, CT etc and nothing to do with docs.
 
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Rural communities are and have been dying for 50 years. For some folks there is the charm of those places. I am sure there are some great small rural towns. For the most part young educated people want no part of living the rural life or raising their kids there. You can decide if it is right for you or not. I cant imagine living more than an hour from a real city Or a big suburb of a city.

I like what cities have to offer, i find little to no charm in small town America. Perhaps I haven’t found the right one. Perhaps im just a city dude. These small rural towns are a financial and workforce disaster for the rest of society. They shouldn’t have an ED, they shouldn’t have OB etc. Of course reality is many/most of these aren’t real EDs. They are often staffed by docs who dropped out of training, couldnt hack their field or are burnt out.

My Long term premise is if there is an EM trained doc on site the place isnt an ED. You cant be a chest pain center without a cardiologist. EM has failed big time in protecting this. Much of it is ACEP kissing the a$$ of CMGs so they can profit off these dumpster sites they fill with docs who are terrible.

Note some of these docs are fine. Many are horrific and on average are significantly subpar compared to EM trained docs.
 
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That's one of my favorite complaints when the patient complains about all the ER doctors at one of your sister facilities but they're all staffed by the same people. It shows you how ridiculous Press Ganey is when they say they always get good care at 'X' facility but always get awful care at 'Y' facility. It also helps when you have a slow facility where it always gets the best PG scores and another busy facility that routinely gets awful scores and it's the same docs. Admin won't understand that so much more than what we control goes into it but at least the hard data is there.
Yep worked in a hospital system like this. Slow FSED that saw 20 patients per day always has PGs in the mid to high 90s. Main level 1 trauma center always in the 50s. Same ER physicians staffing all facilities. Admin was convinced more AIDET (or whatever the ****) was the answer.
 
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Yep worked in a hospital system like this. Slow FSED that saw 20 patients per day always has PGs in the mid to high 90s. Main level 1 trauma center always in the 50s. Same ER physicians staffing all facilities. Admin was convinced more AIDET (or whatever the ****) was the answer.
It's almost as if what it takes to really, actually satisfy patients is

(1) small, human-scale, nonthreatening environments, and

(2) actual, helpful, and relaxed conversations with people who appear to care about them.

These are two things I personally like about these rural "EDs"/FSEDs. As well as the surrounding rural communities.

Some things just don't seem to scale very well. Or at least, they don't scale if they can't make tall dollars for someone, somewhere.

Of course, these things are separate from the actual quality/breadth of care at these rural places.
 
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Rural communities are and have been dying for 50 years. For some folks there is the charm of those places. I am sure there are some great small rural towns. For the most part young educated people want no part of living the rural life or raising their kids there. You can decide if it is right for you or not. I cant imagine living more than an hour from a real city Or a big suburb of a city.

I like what cities have to offer, i find little to no charm in small town America. Perhaps I haven’t found the right one. Perhaps im just a city dude. These small rural towns are a financial and workforce disaster for the rest of society. They shouldn’t have an ED, they shouldn’t have OB etc. Of course reality is many/most of these aren’t real EDs. They are often staffed by docs who dropped out of training, couldnt hack their field or are burnt out.

My Long term premise is if there is an EM trained doc on site the place isnt an ED. You cant be a chest pain center without a cardiologist. EM has failed big time in protecting this. Much of it is ACEP kissing the a$$ of CMGs so they can profit off these dumpster sites they fill with docs who are terrible.

Note some of these docs are fine. Many are horrific and on average are significantly subpar compared to EM trained docs.

It doesn't help that most rural hospitals will refuse to pay anything that resembles a fair hourly wage for an emergency physician.

I've lost count of how many jobs I've seen for 24 hr shifts for 120 hr to spend the night with local meth addicts sent in by the police.
 
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It doesn't help that most rural hospitals will refuse to pay anything that resembles a fair hourly wage for an emergency physician.

I've lost count of how many jobs I've seen for 24 hr shifts for 120 hr to spend the night with local meth addicts sent in by the police.
This goes back to having a hospital in an area that can’t support a hospital. You can’t pay bills seeing a majority of Medicaid and self pay patients. You need insured patients and many times these rural hospitals are still within reasonable driving distance of a larger hospital so many of the insured patients go up the road. Less money for the hospital means lower pay for the workers which typically will attract lower quality workers which lowers the hospital’s reputation which means more people getting care up the road and the cycle continues until the hospital finally shuts down.
 
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This goes back to having a hospital in an area that can’t support a hospital. You can’t pay bills seeing a majority of Medicaid and self pay patients. You need insured patients and many times these rural hospitals are still within reasonable driving distance of a larger hospital so many of the insured patients go up the road. Less money for the hospital means lower pay for the workers which typically will attract lower quality workers which lowers the hospital’s reputation which means more people getting care up the road and the cycle continues until the hospital finally shuts down.

Could it be fiscally solvent if operating costs were lower (like if we didn't have 8 administrators for every doc)?

EDIT: I realize that this would require less burdensome legislative overhead.
 
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Could it be fiscally solvent if operating costs were lower (like if we didn't have 8 administrators for every doc)?

EDIT: I realize that this would require less burdensome legislative overhead.
The rural hospital I’m familiar with actually doesn’t have incredible administrative bloat and the administrators have reasonable salaries. They just have an awful payor mix and not enough procedures to make money.
 
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Could it be fiscally solvent if operating costs were lower (like if we didn't have 8 administrators for every doc)?

EDIT: I realize that this would require less burdensome legislative overhead.

I agree with JacobMcCandles for sure. There are examples of highly paid and bloated admin but hospitals rural or urban need volume of high paying procedures and good pay or mix. Medicare and Medicaid just don’t cover it in most cases. Some hospitals could definitely save a lot of money by making admin cuts but clearly for those hospitals it’s not worth it.

I also think the burdensome regulation is something we need to talk about candidly as a society. Requiring every hospital in Wyoming to have the same standard of care as a national commission would require of any hospital in LA or Boston is just a bad idea for a myriad of reasons. Or even a magnet status or any of the other BS status. We have to accept that an associates RN is sufficient and great for that community. Maybe even a LPN should be given greater privileges. Etc. The problem is that it looks bad for our sense of “fairness” if my tiny hospital can’t afford what your big city hospital can. Equity is extra popular right now after all. And no politician wants to be the one that says to his/her constituents: “we’ve done the math repeatedly and we can’t offer a labor and delivery unit here for such a few number of babies a year. That’s why I’m not getting money from the state legislature for this and instead working on getting x for our community”. It is much easier to push the blame to hospital mismanagement, on politicians, doctor’s salaries, or even the host of ancillary services.
 
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I agree with JacobMcCandles for sure. There are examples of highly paid and bloated admin but hospitals rural or urban need volume of high paying procedures and good pay or mix. Medicare and Medicaid just don’t cover it in most cases. Some hospitals could definitely save a lot of money by making admin cuts but clearly for those hospitals it’s not worth it.

I also think the burdensome regulation is something we need to talk about candidly as a society. Requiring every hospital in Wyoming to have the same standard of care as a national commission would require of any hospital in LA or Boston is just a bad idea for a myriad of reasons. Or even a magnet status or any of the other BS status. We have to accept that an associates RN is sufficient and great for that community. Maybe even a LPN should be given greater privileges. Etc. The problem is that it looks bad for our sense of “fairness” if my tiny hospital can’t afford what your big city hospital can. Equity is extra popular right now after all. And no politician wants to be the one that says to his/her constituents: “we’ve done the math repeatedly and we can’t offer a labor and delivery unit here for such a few number of babies a year. That’s why I’m not getting money from the state legislature for this and instead working on getting x for our community”. It is much easier to push the blame to hospital mismanagement, on politicians, doctor’s salaries, or even the host of ancillary services.

You've hit upon the tenor of what I was really trying to express with my post; but I was too busy face-down in a grilled chicken salad to go back and try to parse out.
 
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I agree with JacobMcCandles for sure. There are examples of highly paid and bloated admin but hospitals rural or urban need volume of high paying procedures and good pay or mix. Medicare and Medicaid just don’t cover it in most cases. Some hospitals could definitely save a lot of money by making admin cuts but clearly for those hospitals it’s not worth it.

I also think the burdensome regulation is something we need to talk about candidly as a society. Requiring every hospital in Wyoming to have the same standard of care as a national commission would require of any hospital in LA or Boston is just a bad idea for a myriad of reasons. Or even a magnet status or any of the other BS status. We have to accept that an associates RN is sufficient and great for that community. Maybe even a LPN should be given greater privileges. Etc. The problem is that it looks bad for our sense of “fairness” if my tiny hospital can’t afford what your big city hospital can. Equity is extra popular right now after all. And no politician wants to be the one that says to his/her constituents: “we’ve done the math repeatedly and we can’t offer a labor and delivery unit here for such a few number of babies a year. That’s why I’m not getting money from the state legislature for this and instead working on getting x for our community”. It is much easier to push the blame to hospital mismanagement, on politicians, doctor’s salaries, or even the host of ancillary services.
That’s an interesting point you bring up regarding regulatory burden. I think we’d likely see better rural care with less regulations in those settings. And honestly, maybe in every setting.
 
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It's almost as if what it takes to really, actually satisfy patients is

(1) small, human-scale, nonthreatening environments, and

(2) actual, helpful, and relaxed conversations with people who appear to care about them.

These are two things I personally like about these rural "EDs"/FSEDs. As well as the surrounding rural communities.

Some things just don't seem to scale very well. Or at least, they don't scale if they can't make tall dollars for someone, somewhere.

Of course, these things are separate from the actual quality/breadth of care at these rural places.
Nope, it's that the worried well are reassured when they no actual medical problems while actual sick patients reflect their own QOL in surveys.
 
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Nope, it's that the worried well are reassured when they no actual medical problems while actual sick patients reflect their own QOL in surveys.

"I am healthy; the healthcare system works great!"
"I am unhealthy and chronically noncompliant; the healthcare system is an unmitigated catastrophe!"
 
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This goes back to having a hospital in an area that can’t support a hospital. You can’t pay bills seeing a majority of Medicaid and self pay patients. You need insured patients and many times these rural hospitals are still within reasonable driving distance of a larger hospital so many of the insured patients go up the road. Less money for the hospital means lower pay for the workers which typically will attract lower quality workers which lowers the hospital’s reputation which means more people getting care up the road and the cycle continues until the hospital finally shuts down.
And imo that’s great.

With the nursing shortage it’s idiotic to have 24 hours of nursing care wasted taking care of 10 urgent care type patients. That’s a lot of rural hospitals.
 
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"I am healthy; the healthcare system works great!"
"I am unhealthy and chronically noncompliant; the healthcare system is an unmitigated catastrophe!"
I mean, the first part is exactly the point. If you are healthy you don't need the healthcare system so you won't be aware of any of the problems that do exist - because we all know there are some. Just not as many as the public thinks.
 
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I work at rural facilities that are within reasonable driving distance to larger facilities. Part of what makes it work is that the specialists from the bigger places have clinic time in the rural places. They also can keep patients that don't really need a higher level of care with some virtual support from cardiology, neurology, etc. Even tele ICU to give management assistance for patients that failed the small hospital experience.

Keep in mind that when I consider the patient volume we run through these rural EDs there is functionally no way we could care for these patients at our larger hospitals. It's just too many patients.
 
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That’s an interesting point you bring up regarding regulatory burden. I think we’d likely see better rural care with less regulations in those settings. And honestly, maybe in every setting.
I think this extends to physician malpractice legislation as well. I’m sure they can find some boomer who retired in 2017 who will say half the stuff I do in the waiting room is not standard of care but like .. there’s no staff and I’d like to see them do better lol
 
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