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Sorry for being another one of those "what are my chances" poster, but I'm freaking out and need a reality check. I just got my step 2 score back today and am incredibly disappointed. I was in the mid-high 250s on my last 2 practice tests and scoring in the mid 70s on UWorld, but ended up with a significantly lower score. Pretty much the same thing happened to me on Step 1 and I'm at a loss of what's going wrong.

My goal is to ultimately do Pulm/CC and I really couldn't imagine myself doing much else, well let's say being happy doing anything else. Since it is an increasingly competitive fellowship I am hoping to get a University IM residency somewhere and I wanted some insight on whether that is still possible.

I have received an informal pre-match offer at a community hospital in CT, but they don't have a strong Pulm/CC fellowship history which inclines me to take my chances elsewhere.

I'm a Carib student MS4
Step 1: 235/99
Step 2: 236/99
GPA: 4.0
Class Rank: #1
1 Publication, 1 more in the works
Stellar recommendations.

Am I still competitive for an University IM residency? Also if I end up at a community program, what do I need to do to improve my chances of landing a Pulm/CC fellowship?

Thanks in advance!!!
 
I think you can likely land a spot at a mid-tier university program, and from there as long as you have good LORs, some research, and are not on a visa, you'll find a nice pulm/cc spot.
 
DocKSV said:
Sorry for being another one of those "what are my chances" poster, but I'm freaking out and need a reality check. I just got my step 2 score back today and am incredibly disappointed. I was in the mid-high 250s on my last 2 practice tests and scoring in the mid 70s on UWorld, but ended up with a significantly lower score. Pretty much the same thing happened to me on Step 1 and I'm at a loss of what's going wrong.

My goal is to ultimately do Pulm/CC and I really couldn't imagine myself doing much else, well let's say being happy doing anything else. Since it is an increasingly competitive fellowship I am hoping to get a University IM residency somewhere and I wanted some insight on whether that is still possible.

I have received an informal pre-match offer at a community hospital in CT, but they don't have a strong Pulm/CC fellowship history which inclines me to take my chances elsewhere.


I'm a Carib student MS4
Step 1: 235/99
Step 2: 236/99
GPA: 4.0
Class Rank: #1
1 Publication, 1 more in the works
Stellar recommendations.

Am I still competitive for an University IM residency? Also if I end up at a community program, what do I need to do to improve my chances of landing a Pulm/CC fellowship?

Thanks in advance!!!
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Why were you carib? You slaughtered everyone at your school
 
UAAWolf said:
Why were you carib? You slaughtered everyone at your school
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Sort of a long story, but basically missed my Honors Orgo Final, wasn't allowed to make it up, so I failed it. The Honors Orgo wasn't allowed to be retaken so I had to retake a regular Orgo which didn't count towards my Basic Science GPA and screwed me for US apps. I made a mistake however of not applying broad enough and probably jumped the gun on going to the caribbean vs a post-bac type program.

Anyway, any other insights on my situation?
 
DocKSV said:
Sort of a long story, but basically missed my Honors Orgo Final, wasn't allowed to make it up, so I failed it. The Honors Orgo wasn't allowed to be retaken so I had to retake a regular Orgo which didn't count towards my Basic Science GPA and screwed me for US apps. I made a mistake however of not applying broad enough and probably jumped the gun on going to the caribbean vs a post-bac type program.

Anyway, any other insights on my situation?
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Your stats look solid, so I agree, if you apply to mid-tier university programs you should find success somewhere.
 
Thanks for replies I very very much appreciate it.

Can you guys give me examples of some mid-tier university programs?
 
VCU has a solid program with some excellent teachers.
A few others that come to mindthat are probably upper-mid tier: MUSC, UGA, UMD
 
DocKSV said:
Thanks for replies I very very much appreciate it.

Can you guys give me examples of some mid-tier university programs?
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OP, nice stats. This will be tedious, but go to frieda and filter the University IM programs and just go through the house staff rosters and see where the residents are from. With your stats throw in some reaches. If money isn't an issue, I would just apply to every university IM program you think you have a chance at.
 
Even with good numbers, there are many PDs biased against carrib schools, so I agree he should apply widely and see who bites. A better exercise than simply throwing out names, would be for the OP to tell us either where he would like to go location-wise, or name some programs and get feedback from the group.

In my mind, you've always had the top 25-30, which obviously includes the elites, and then you have the lower tier which is essentially almost all community programs, notable exceptions notwithstanding, and everything between those were "mid-tier" - basically all of them university programs not in the top 25-30.
 
jdh71 said:
Even with good numbers, there are many PDs biased against carrib schools, so I agree he should apply widely and see who bites. A better exercise than simply throwing out names, would be for the OP to tell us either where he would like to go location-wise, or name some programs and get feedback from the group.

In my mind, you've always had the top 25-30, which obviously includes the elites, and then you have the lower tier which is essentially almost all community programs, notable exceptions notwithstanding, and everything between those were "mid-tier" - basically all of them university programs not in the top 25-30.
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As you mentioned being a Carib Grad will limit my options tremendously. I was hoping for (and expecting) 250+ boards scores to help compensate for that, but had no such luck. Other than Drexel in Philly I'm not aware of ANY Carib friendly Univ IM Programs. I'm not even sure those Carib grads that obtain residency at Drexel have stats far better than mine.

My dream would be to find a residency in Philadelphia. My second choice would be between the MD/DC/VA area, which I understand is nearly impossible for a Carib grad. Other than that I would prefer to stay on the east coast with the exception of Chicago. I do not want to go to New York, although I understand that it is incredibly IMG friendly.

As per community programs, I have heard good things about fellowship match rates and training at Washington Hospital Center in DC and Albert Einstein in Philly, but I'm not aware of their Carib grad friendliness.

I want to reiterate my gratitude for the responses, this has been very helpful so far. Thank you!
 
DocKSV said:
As you mentioned being a Carib Grad will limit my options tremendously. I was hoping for (and expecting) 250+ boards scores to help compensate for that, but had no such luck. Other than Drexel in Philly I'm not aware of ANY Carib friendly Univ IM Programs. I'm not even sure those Carib grads that obtain residency at Drexel have stats far better than mine.

My dream would be to find a residency in Philadelphia. My second choice would be between the MD/DC/VA area, which I understand is nearly impossible for a Carib grad. Other than that I would prefer to stay on the east coast with the exception of Chicago. I do not want to go to New York, although I understand that it is incredibly IMG friendly.

As per community programs, I have heard good things about fellowship match rates and training at Washington Hospital Center in DC and Albert Einstein in Philly, but I'm not aware of their Carib grad friendliness.

I want to reiterate my gratitude for the responses, this has been very helpful so far. Thank you!
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I think we can work with this. Definitely apply to Drexel, Temple, and TJ in philly. Georgetown in DC. U Maryland in Baltimore. VCU for sure. I'd also toss in these east coast programs and see who bites: Vermont, Dartmouth, UConn, UMass, BU, and Tufts. What about upstate NY? Rochester is a solid program. In Chicago, UIC, Rush, and Loyola all need an app from you.

Otherwise some other mid-tier programs that I think you should check out, kind of moving from from left to right: Utah, Arizona, Creighton, Kansas, A&M, San Antonio, SLU, Tulane, LSU, Case, Cincinnati, Ohio State, Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana, UVA, Wake, MUSC, Florida (gainesville), USF

Sending out apps is cheap (relatively speaking).
 
VCU and UMD, to be brutally honest, are unlikely to take a US Caribbean grad - both programs prefer FMGs from Royal College-Ireland, Cornell-Qatar and the like. If I remember correctly, Temple/Jeff are in the same boat. (you may see a neuro prelim or medpeds carib grad at these places but not a categorical spot...)

That being said, you have some solid options. Cleveland Clinic seems to have a good relationship with SGU and has a strong fellowship match. UF-Gainesville, MCG, MUSC, GW, Washington.Hospital Center, UCincinnati, Indiana, Dartmouth, UConn, Downstate and UMass are all solid programs that match Carib students. Hell, with your stats, I might even throw BU/Tufts, Rochester, Ohio State, UIC/Rush and NS/LIJ an app... It's not unheard of for a strong Carib student to match there. Even the vaunted Mayo matched a student from SABA last year, according to friends I have there...
 
Edit: Tulane is pretty strict no FMG applicants. UVA, Wake and Case are going to be biiiig stretches as well for similar unspoken policies, I believe.
 
gold&black2005 said:
VCU and UMD, to be brutally honest, are unlikely to take a US Caribbean grad - both programs prefer FMGs from Royal College-Ireland, Cornell-Qatar and the like. If I remember correctly, Temple/Jeff are in the same boat. (you may see a neuro prelim or medpeds carib grad at these places but not a categorical spot...)

That being said, you have some solid options. Cleveland Clinic seems to have a good relationship with SGU and has a strong fellowship match. UF-Gainesville, MCG, MUSC, GW, Washington.Hospital Center, UCincinnati, Indiana, Dartmouth, UConn, Downstate and UMass are all solid programs that match Carib students. Hell, with your stats, I might even throw BU/Tufts, Rochester, Ohio State, UIC/Rush and NS/LIJ an app... It's not unheard of for a strong Carib student to match there. Even the vaunted Mayo matched a student from SABA last year, according to friends I have there...
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I actually know a physician on UMD's admission committee and he told me that even if I scored 280+ on my boards my application would never be seen because i'm a Carib grad.

I am surprised that a lot of these relatively big name places take Carib grads. Are my stats truly competitive for the aforementioned programs or are they more of a stretch?
 
I think as with everything, past actions are the most useful indicator of future actions. My friend was a Carib grad last year (SGU) and she basically went through every USMD medical school's associated IM program (all 130ish) - and applied to every IM program outside the top 20 that had at least one FMG. It took only a day and it was well worth the effort I think. If a school doesn't have a single FMG in the whole residency program (all 3 years) they are unlikely to make an exception for you unless you are extremely unique (eg you were a well known doctor in another country or have like 270+ boards) or have an "in". Obviously there's a first time for everything but it's getting harder to land spots not easier so you can't really count on being the exception.
 
shaggy alfresco said:
I think as with everything, past actions are the most useful indicator of future actions. My friend was a Carib grad last year (SGU) and she basically went through every USMD medical school's associated IM program (all 130ish) - and applied to every IM program outside the top 20 that had at least one FMG. It took only a day and it was well worth the effort I think. If a school doesn't have a single FMG in the whole residency program (all 3 years) they are unlikely to make an exception for you unless you are extremely unique (eg you were a well known doctor in another country or have like 270+ boards) or have an "in". Obviously there's a first time for everything but it's getting harder to land spots not easier so you can't really count on being the exception.
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Do this^. Also consider using your school's recent match lists to give an idea of where people have gone.

Everyone here seems to be assuming that the OP is at SGU but I don't know that for certain. In any event, their 2011 Match List is here. Here's the one for Ross, and here is the one for AUC. Those should give you an idea of what an attainable spot would be.

Applying for residency is relatively cheap (you can apply to 100 programs for about what 15 minutes of tuition costs at a Carib school) so use these lists as a guide, but don't be afraid to stretch a little.
 
GW has got a few FMGs judging by my interview day, shoot them an app too
 
what happen to an fmg that doesnt do well on the test ( below avarge ) but will have some clinical us experience , would i might still get in some half normal residency ?
 
jdh71 said:
doubtful

you're going to have to know somebody
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even if i will have USA clinicl Experience and Letters of Recommendation from us i will i still probably not match ?
 
Orione said:
even if i will have USA clinicl Experience and Letters of Recommendation from us i will i still probably not match ?
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You said: FMG, Below Avg. Step 1, 1/2 normal residency (i.e. Mid-tier).

With those 3 aspects, odds are on the low end. Community end is probably a bit stronger.
 
Orione said:
even if i will have USA clinicl Experience and Letters of Recommendation from us i will i still probably not match ?
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They have some sweat shops in NYC that would probably take you. Sorry man. It's getting hard for everyone out there.

You might have better luck with neurology or psychiatry.
 
Orione said:
even if i will have USA clinicl Experience and Letters of Recommendation from us i will i still probably not match ?
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What jdh71 said.

Look, here's the deal. There is, reportedly (I don't have the data to support this nor do I particularly care), a physician shortage in the US and it's only going to get worse. So the solution everybody has come up with is...more med schools.

Well, that's fine, except that without at least some post-graduate (residency) training, a med school graduate can't actually practice as a physician. And the number of US MD graduates is rapidly approaching parity with the number of allopathic residency spots.

Nobody is willing to deal with the major bottleneck in producing new physicians which is increasing residency positions. Why you may ask? Ca$h money bitc*es. Med students pay...residents get paid. End of discussion.

There's no financial incentive to either decrease med school enrollment or increase residency positions. So we're largely stuck with the same number of residency spots that we had in the 1990s. If a new program starts up or a program expands its slots, that means that either the hospital ponied up the cash for the spots (let's put the number @ ~$120K/resident/year) or took spots from another specialty.

So, what does this mean for you, the USIMG with borderline communication skills (based on your posts) and below average USMLE scores? It means you're kind of screwed. Especially once the pre-match is done away with in 2012. USCE will help you, to be sure, but your chances of getting a low tier university program or even decent community slot is getting lower by the minute. Not that there's not a spot out there for you, just that it's going to require a very broad application strategy and a willingness to take whatever you can get.
 
My communication skills in english are really good ... but writing is the problem .
Anyway after 6 years of studying medicine in english i will be great both in writing and in communication skills ...
I think im going to try going in europe unviersty english program ... , following the most common plan ,
I will take Kaplan course and try to score around avarge on the USMLE .
On 4th year i will fly to do an elective in Usa . lastely, i will try to get some research experience .

if i will follow this plan in addition to working on my english , i will probably get some decent coummnity residency agreed ?
 
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gold&black2005 said:
VCU and UMD, to be brutally honest, are unlikely to take a US Caribbean grad - both programs prefer FMGs from Royal College-Ireland, Cornell-Qatar and the like. If I remember correctly, Temple/Jeff are in the same boat. (you may see a neuro prelim or medpeds carib grad at these places but not a categorical spot...)

That being said, you have some solid options. Cleveland Clinic seems to have a good relationship with SGU and has a strong fellowship match. UF-Gainesville, MCG, MUSC, GW, Washington.Hospital Center, UCincinnati, Indiana, Dartmouth, UConn, Downstate and UMass are all solid programs that match Carib students. Hell, with your stats, I might even throw BU/Tufts, Rochester, Ohio State, UIC/Rush and NS/LIJ an app... It's not unheard of for a strong Carib student to match there. Even the vaunted Mayo matched a student from SABA last year, according to friends I have there...
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I totally agree with the list. GW and Washington Hosp are good additions in the Va/MD region.

Also in maryland places like Sinai (loosely affiliated with hopkins), GBMC, Mercy, St Agnes all take FMGs (and have recently taken grads from SGU) but really aren't that solid but would be good additions.

VCU does have 2 interns from Ross but they are prelims and probably matched to the neuro program at VCU. I'd keep it on the list but chances aren't great as a categorical.

Add EVMS to the list. It's in Va and has taken a SGU grad last year. UVA is going to be a huge stretch.

So to recap
Va: VCU, EVMS, ?Carillion, UVA (a major stretch)
DC: GW, Georgetown, Washington hospital
Maryland- UMD, Sinai, GBMC, St Agnes, Mercy

Carolinas: MUSC, Wake (a stretch)
Ga: MCG, UGA
Fla: UF-Gainesville,
Mass: Umass, BU, Tufts
Ny: downstate, Rochester, NS/LIJ
Ohio/ilinois/indiana- Ucincy, Ohio state, UIC/Rush, Cleveland Clinic, Indiana

Other: Indiana, Dartmouth, UConn, Mayo, Utah, Arizona, Creighton, Kansas, A&M, San Antonio, SLU, Tulane, LSU, Case, Cincinnati, Kentucky, Louisville, USF, Albert Einstein in Philly

Orione said:
My communication skills in english are really good ... but writing is the problem .
Anyway after 6 years of studying medicine in english i will be great both in writing and in communication skills ...
I think im going to try going in europe unviersty english program ... , following the most common plan ,
I will take Kaplan course and try to score around avarge on the USMLE .
On 4th year i will fly to do an elective in Usa . lastely, i will try to get some research experience .

if i will follow this plan in addition to working on my english , i will probably get some decent coummnity residency agreed ?
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As an FMG you really need to do better than the average on USMLE. Also, an elective in the US as an FMG basically is an observership since insurance does not allow you to touch patients. That doesn't amount to any real clinical experience and program directors know this
 
Instatewaiter said:
As an FMG you really need to do better than the average on USMLE.
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This part is true.

Also, an elective in the US as an FMG basically is an observership since insurance does not allow you to touch patients. That doesn't amount to any real clinical experience and program directors know this
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This part is false. A rotation done by an IMG while still a student is going to be the same as a rotation done by a US grad on an away rotation which is to say, a completely legitimate clinical experience.

An observership, done after graduation is what you are referring to and is minimally useful at best.
 
What about Primary Care Residency Expansion (PCRE) , I'snt that going to to increase spot ?
 
gutonc said:
What jdh71 said.

Look, here's the deal. There is, reportedly (I don't have the data to support this nor do I particularly care), a physician shortage in the US and it's only going to get worse. So the solution everybody has come up with is...more med schools.

Well, that's fine, except that without at least some post-graduate (residency) training, a med school graduate can't actually practice as a physician. And the number of US MD graduates is rapidly approaching parity with the number of allopathic residency spots.

Nobody is willing to deal with the major bottleneck in producing new physicians which is increasing residency positions. Why you may ask? Ca$h money bitc*es. Med students pay...residents get paid. End of discussion.

There's no financial incentive to either decrease med school enrollment or increase residency positions. So we're largely stuck with the same number of residency spots that we had in the 1990s. If a new program starts up or a program expands its slots, that means that either the hospital ponied up the cash for the spots (let's put the number @ ~$120K/resident/year) or took spots from another specialty.

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Excellent points. Increasing residency spots would also help alleviate the resident work hour issues.
 
Orione said:
What about Primary Care Residency Expansion (PCRE) , I'snt that going to to increase spot ?
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The advice / opinions you've gotten here have been very one sided. The honest truth is that we have no good sense of what the balance of resident applicants and resident spots will be going forward. Several forces are pushing towards a tighter match -- mainly the increase in allopathic class sizes, the opening of new allopathic schools, the increased flow of osteopathic physicians into allopathic residency slots, and likewise the increase in osteo class sizes.

On the other hand, we have the ACA funding for PCRE above, and duty hour restrictions which some programs may decide to address by increasing resident numbers (although additional funding is unlikely, some programs may decide it's the cheapest/easiest route). Of note, the PCRE granting process should have had it's major effect with this match cycle, and we didn't see much. The funding was only for $80K per resident, and expires in 5 years.

So, no one can tell you what your chances of matching will be. It's clear that the better you do on your USMLE's, and the better you do with US clinical experience, and the more flexible you are with regard to geography, the more successful you will be.
 
Do you think it is wise for an IMG with good board scores (>260) and CS 1st attempt to accept a prematch or go for the Match? Since this year is the last year for Prematch

Thank You
 
Debridat said:
Do you think it is wise for an IMG with good board scores (>260) and CS 1st attempt to accept a prematch or go for the Match? Since this year is the last year for Prematch

Thank You
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Short answer...it depends.

Long answer: It depends on where that program sits in your own personal rank list hierarchy. If it's a program that is (or you think will be) in your top 3 and is at least average in quality to the other programs on your interview list, then it's probably not a bad idea to go for it. If it's a sub-par program or someplace you don't love (but would go to in a pinch), you're probably better off in the Match. If you only get a couple of interviews, it's a different story and you should jump at a pre-match. But if you're going to 15-20 places, you're likely (not guaranteed mind you...there are no guarantees) to match.

Others will of course have different opinions but if you're a good candidate, there's no use selling yourself short.
 
Thank you everyone for responding. This has been very helpful and reassuring. Now I'm just using all of this free time during electives to pump out another paper.
 
So , if i fail to get IM , take your guees 7-8 years from now i apply to FP , is FP going to be hard too ? or in FP i should be able ( avarge - decent LOR and USMLE ) to find a decent residency ? , i know that you cant know for sure but give me what you think is going to happen . ( DO's increasing grud' size every year )
 
Orione said:
So , if i fail to get IM , take your guees 7-8 years from now i apply to FP , is FP going to be hard too ? or in FP i should be able ( avarge - decent LOR and USMLE ) to find a decent residency ? , i know that you cant know for sure but give me what you think is going to happen . ( DO's increasing grud' size every year )
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In 7 years we will be replaced by watson 🙄

In all seriousness, who knows. PC is becoming more competitive and there are more and more US grads. So, hopefully all works out. GL:luck:
 
DocKSV said:
Sort of a long story, but basically missed my Honors Orgo Final, wasn't allowed to make it up, so I failed it. The Honors Orgo wasn't allowed to be retaken so I had to retake a regular Orgo which didn't count towards my Basic Science GPA and screwed me for US apps. I made a mistake however of not applying broad enough and probably jumped the gun on going to the caribbean vs a post-bac type program.

Anyway, any other insights on my situation?
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wow I'm sorry to hear that. But I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone with the really bad luck.

I'm an IMG myself (non US too). And I think you have a great chance of matching top choice. I don't see where the problem is for you! Plus, I thought Pulm/CC isn't that competitive.
 
Well here is the list of programs i'm applying too:

Quite a few are stretches/impossibilities, but I just had to apply.

Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center Program [1400321025]
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Arizona) Program [1400321512]
University of Arizona Program [1400321029]
Bridgeport Hospital/Yale University Program [1400811074]
University of Connecticut Program [1400831078]
Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program [1400821085]
George Washington University Program [1401021093]
Georgetown University Hospital Program [1401021091]
Georgetown University Hospital/Washington Hospital Center Program [1401011097]
Cleveland Clinic (Florida) Program [1401121528]
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Jacksonville) Program [1401121509]
University of Florida College of Medicine Jacksonville Program [1401121099]
University of Florida Program [1401121098]
University of South Florida Program [1401121104]
Emory University Program [1401221105]
Georgia Health Sciences University Program [1401221107]
Medical Center of Central Georgia/Mercer University School of Medicine Program [1401221491]
Chicago Medical School at Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science Program [1401621111]
Loyola University Program [1401621128]
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program [1401621119]
Rush University Medical Center Program [1401611121]
Southern Illinois University Program [1401621132]
University of Chicago Program [1401611123]
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program [1401621124]
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago/Advocate Christ Medical Center Program [1401621129]
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria Program [1401631131]
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Urbana Program [1401621456]
Indiana University School of Medicine Program [1401721133]
Louisiana State University Program [1402121143]
Louisiana State University (Shreveport) Program [1402121148]
Ochsner Clinic Foundation Program [1402122146]
Tulane University Program [1402121147]
University Medical Center/Louisiana State University (Lafayette) Program [1402111144]
Harbor Hospital Center Program [1402331158]
Johns Hopkins University/Bayview Medical Center Program [1402311150]
Union Memorial Hospital Program [1402312159]
University of Maryland Program [1402321160]
University of Massachusetts Program [1402421184]
Tufts Medical Center Program [1402421171]
Boston University Medical Center Program [1402431164]
Baystate Medical Center/Tufts University School of Medicine Program [1402411181]
Wayne State University School of Medicine Program [1402500896]
University of Michigan Program [1402521187]
Michigan State University Program [1402521195]
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program [1402621208]
University of Minnesota Program [1402621205]
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center Program [1403221225]
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School Program [1403321243]
UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School Program [1403321237]
UMDNJ Robert Wood Johnson Medical School (Camden)/Cooper University Hospital Program [1403321227]
Seton Hall University School of Health and Medical Sciences Program [1403321498]
University of North Carolina Hospitals Program [1403621318]
Carolinas Medical Center Program [1403611319]
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program [1403621325]
University Hospital/University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Program [1403821334]
Ohio State University Hospital Program [1403811342]
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program [1403812339]
Case Western Reserve University/University Hospitals Case Medical Center Program [1403821335]
Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) Program [1403811336]
Oregon Health & Science University Program [1404031357]
Albert Einstein Healthcare Network Program [1404111369]
Drexel University College of Medicine/Hahnemann University Hospital Program [1404121374]
Penn State University/Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program [1404111366]
Pennsylvania Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania Health System Program [1404111376]
Temple University Hospital Program [1404121378]
Thomas Jefferson University Program [1404121379]
UPMC Medical Education Program [1404121504]
York Hospital Program [1404111392]
Brown University Program [1404311400]
Medical University of South Carolina Program [1404521403]
Palmetto Health/University of South Carolina School of Medicine Program [1404521404]
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine Program [1405131431]
Eastern Virginia Medical School Program [1405121432]
University of Virginia Program [1405121430]
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System Program [1405121433]
University of Washington Program [1405421434]
University of Wisconsin Program [1405621443]
Medical College of Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals Program [1405631445]

Any comments or suggestions on the list given my stats in the first post?
 
gutonc said:
This part is true.



This part is false. A rotation done by an IMG while still a student is going to be the same as a rotation done by a US grad on an away rotation which is to say, a completely legitimate clinical experience.

An observership, done after graduation is what you are referring to and is minimally useful at best.
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Do you happen to know how an FMG can apply to electives as a medical student? Moreover, can you plz list some hospitals that accept FMGs for electives and whose doctors can give you a LOR at ease if you prove to be hardworking and good enough?

Thank you
 
DocKSV said:
Well here is the list of programs i'm applying too:

Quite a few are stretches/impossibilities, but I just had to apply.

Banner Good Samaritan Medical Center Program [1400321025]
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Arizona) Program [1400321512]
University of Arizona Program [1400321029]
Bridgeport Hospital/Yale University Program [1400811074]
University of Connecticut Program [1400831078]
Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program [1400821085]
George Washington University Program [1401021093]
Georgetown University Hospital Program [1401021091]
Georgetown University Hospital/Washington Hospital Center Program [1401011097]
Cleveland Clinic (Florida) Program [1401121528]
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Jacksonville) Program [1401121509]
University of Florida College of Medicine Jacksonville Program [1401121099]
University of Florida Program [1401121098]
University of South Florida Program [1401121104]
Emory University Program [1401221105]
Georgia Health Sciences University Program [1401221107]
Medical Center of Central Georgia/Mercer University School of Medicine Program [1401221491]
Chicago Medical School at Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine and Science Program [1401621111]
Loyola University Program [1401621128]
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program [1401621119]
Rush University Medical Center Program [1401611121]
Southern Illinois University Program [1401621132]
University of Chicago Program [1401611123]
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program [1401621124]
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago/Advocate Christ Medical Center Program [1401621129]
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria Program [1401631131]
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Urbana Program [1401621456]
Indiana University School of Medicine Program [1401721133]
Louisiana State University Program [1402121143]
Louisiana State University (Shreveport) Program [1402121148]
Ochsner Clinic Foundation Program [1402122146]
Tulane University Program [1402121147]
University Medical Center/Louisiana State University (Lafayette) Program [1402111144]
Harbor Hospital Center Program [1402331158]
Johns Hopkins University/Bayview Medical Center Program [1402311150]
Union Memorial Hospital Program [1402312159]
University of Maryland Program [1402321160]
University of Massachusetts Program [1402421184]
Tufts Medical Center Program [1402421171]
Boston University Medical Center Program [1402431164]
Baystate Medical Center/Tufts University School of Medicine Program [1402411181]
Wayne State University School of Medicine Program [1402500896]
University of Michigan Program [1402521187]
Michigan State University Program [1402521195]
College of Medicine, Mayo Clinic (Rochester) Program [1402621208]
University of Minnesota Program [1402621205]
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center Program [1403221225]
UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School Program [1403321243]
UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School Program [1403321237]
UMDNJ Robert Wood Johnson Medical School (Camden)/Cooper University Hospital Program [1403321227]
Seton Hall University School of Health and Medical Sciences Program [1403321498]
University of North Carolina Hospitals Program [1403621318]
Carolinas Medical Center Program [1403611319]
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program [1403621325]
University Hospital/University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Program [1403821334]
Ohio State University Hospital Program [1403811342]
Cleveland Clinic Foundation Program [1403812339]
Case Western Reserve University/University Hospitals Case Medical Center Program [1403821335]
Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) Program [1403811336]
Oregon Health & Science University Program [1404031357]
Albert Einstein Healthcare Network Program [1404111369]
Drexel University College of Medicine/Hahnemann University Hospital Program [1404121374]
Penn State University/Milton S Hershey Medical Center Program [1404111366]
Pennsylvania Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania Health System Program [1404111376]
Temple University Hospital Program [1404121378]
Thomas Jefferson University Program [1404121379]
UPMC Medical Education Program [1404121504]
York Hospital Program [1404111392]
Brown University Program [1404311400]
Medical University of South Carolina Program [1404521403]
Palmetto Health/University of South Carolina School of Medicine Program [1404521404]
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine Program [1405131431]
Eastern Virginia Medical School Program [1405121432]
University of Virginia Program [1405121430]
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System Program [1405121433]
University of Washington Program [1405421434]
University of Wisconsin Program [1405621443]
Medical College of Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals Program [1405631445]

Any comments or suggestions on the list given my stats in the first post?
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instatewaiter said:
i totally agree with the list. Gw and washington hosp are good additions in the va/md region.

Also in maryland places like sinai (loosely affiliated with hopkins), gbmc, mercy, st agnes all take fmgs (and have recently taken grads from sgu) but really aren't that solid but would be good additions.

Vcu does have 2 interns from ross but they are prelims and probably matched to the neuro program at vcu. I'd keep it on the list but chances aren't great as a categorical.

Add evms to the list. It's in va and has taken a sgu grad last year. Uva is going to be a huge stretch.

So to recap
va: Vcu, evms, ?carillion, uva (a major stretch)
dc: Gw, georgetown, washington hospital
maryland- umd, sinai, gbmc, st agnes, mercy

carolinas: Musc, wake (a stretch)
ga: Mcg, uga
fla: Uf-gainesville,
mass: Umass, bu, tufts
ny: Downstate, rochester, ns/lij
ohio/ilinois/indiana- ucincy, ohio state, uic/rush, cleveland clinic, indiana

other: Indiana, dartmouth, uconn, mayo, utah, arizona, creighton, kansas, a&m, san antonio, slu, tulane, lsu, case, cincinnati, kentucky, louisville, usf, albert einstein in philly



as an fmg you really need to do better than the average on usmle. Also, an elective in the us as an fmg basically is an observership since insurance does not allow you to touch patients. That doesn't amount to any real clinical experience and program directors know this
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+usf
 
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