Any advice for interviewing at reach schools?

[Kardio]

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Haha def not warranted, I just didnt think stating E01 puts two people on the same playing field. It may for AMCAS, not real life. No shade against you lol

For clarity, it was DO FAP (not AMCAS, thus I have more DO apps than MD)

 

[710118]

Good thing were applying to develop our professional skillset in all aspects- no matter where one lacks... even in dressing the part. If my doc wore a tanktop and shorts, but knew his/her **** and was top in the field id still see em

I agree we will develop these more as we go along. But even if you feel this way, would you really argue against the notion that a decent amount of patients would be “put off” by this?

 

[Kardio]

1. Yes, I believe it is common sense to button the top button.

2. Perhaps I misread your comments about professionalism. My comments are not elitist. This is the game. If you don’t agree with it, then that’s fine. But know you are being judged on your presentation regardless of what any admissions office tells you. You are meeting with people. It’s only natural for them to notice these sort of things. Obviously some things are worse than others. A red tie wouldn’t get someone rejected. Buttoning the bottom button and sitting down like that, in my humble opinion, would. The latter is a child, not a professional interviewing to work with patients.

I’m sure you’ll be very pleasant and non-judgmental to those patients you speak of. Goodluck.

Edit:
I have no idea, or opinion, on how you will treat or view your patients. I don’t agree with the derogatory and judgmental descriptions of your co-applicants (regardless of their correct or incorrect sense of fashion).

 

[710118]

I’m sure you’ll be very pleasant and non-judgmental to those patients you speak of. Goodluck.

There is a difference between judging your colleagues and their dress in a professional setting, and your patients. This is not elitism whatsoever. It’s showing respect for the profession and your patients.

 

[imbesrs]

I agree we will develop these more as we go along. But even if you feel this way, would you really argue against the notion that a decent amount of patients would be “put off” by this?

Yes, but those are easy correctable fixes. I've conducted interviews for successors to my positions in school etc, and its just much more valuable to not turn down good candidates who lacks things like that. You can teach them color schemes, how to tie a tie, how to button a suit, to unbutton when you sit, etc- all fixable within minutes. You cant teach someone person skills, however, and I would hope med schools are the same. Again super deviant clothing/behavior is grounds for judgment.

 

[710118]

Yes, but those are easy correctable fixes. I've conducted interviews for successors to my positions in school etc, and its just much more valuable to not turn down good candidates who lacks things like that. You can teach them color schemes, how to tie a tie, how to button a suit, to unbutton when you sit, etc- all fixable within minutes. You cant teach someone person skills, however, and I would hope med schools are the same. Again super deviant clothing/behavior is grounds for judgment.

I agree, they are easily correctable but generally people skills and knowing the unwritten rules go hand in hand. When medical schools are accepting 1 out of 3 highly qualified interviewed candidates, wouldn’t you take the person who both dressed professionally and can speak well/relate to people?

 

[UWIdahoan]

I know this thread has already been derailed, but in my opinion, if an interviewer is going to judge your or not accept you because you wore a red tie, or you wore a silver tie with a navy suit (which I think sounds pleasant) and left it buttoned, then maybe that's the kind of school you don't want to go to. Be yourself, be kind, and go to the school that wants you for being you.

 

[710118]

I know this thread has already been derailed, but in my opinion, if an interviewer is going to judge your or not accept you because you wore a red tie, or you wore a silver tie with a navy suit (which I think sounds pleasant) and left it buttoned, then maybe that's the kind of school you don't want to go to. Be yourself, be kind, and go to the school that wants you for being you.

*silver tie on a dark blue shirt, not suit. Big difference

 

[UWIdahoan]

*silver tie on a dark blue shirt, not suit. Big difference

Not really. Still sounds like a pleasant combo to me and both comments still make you sound like a dick. And if you are judging me for wearing that combo, you are not the kind of person I want to work with. Period.

 

[710118]

Not really. Still sounds like a pleasant combo to me and both comments still make you sound like a dick. And if you are judging me for wearing that combo, you are not the kind of person I want to work with. Period.

Never did I resort to ad hominem attacks. You can hate the game all you want, but people are always judging you whether you like it or not. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[notretired]

I agree, they are easily correctable but generally people skills and knowing the unwritten rules go hand in hand. When medical schools are accepting 1 out of 3 highly qualified interviewed candidates, wouldn’t you take the person who both dressed professionally and can speak well/relate to people?

Gonna need a source on that lol

 

[SeaHusky]

Wore a red tie and my faculty interviewer at an interview did too. Had a very pleasant conversation. AMA

 

[907914]

Tell me, if you were going to see a doctor, and you noticed they did this, what would you be thinking?

“I wonder what my results are, hope it is good news.”

The patient could give two ****s about this.

 

[UWIdahoan]

Never did I resort to ad hominem attacks. You can hate the game all you want, but people are always judging you whether you like it or not. I wish you the best of luck.

I call them like I see them. And I don't need the best of luck, I already attend a top 20 school.

 

[710118]

“I wonder what my results are, hope it is good news.”

The patient could give two ****s about this.

Well, I respectfully disagree. And I am sure I am not the only one

 

[SeaHusky]

“I wonder what my results are, hope it is good news.”

The patient could give two ****s about this.

“wow I wonder if my cancer scans are gonna come out positive or neg- OH MY GOD, why are you wearing a red tie?!?! I’d like to transfer providers immediately pls, gg no re.”

 

[907914]

Well, I respectfully disagree. And I am sure I am not the only one

Likely not, but I would venture to assume you are a member of a very very very small minority.

 

[710118]

I call them like I see them. And I don't need the best of luck, I already attend a top 20 school.

Great. I wonder if they teach humility at the top 20.

 

[imbesrs]

I agree, they are easily correctable but generally people skills and knowing the unwritten rules go hand in hand. When medical schools are accepting 1 out of 3 highly qualified interviewed candidates, wouldn’t you take the person who both dressed professionally and can speak well/relate to people?

Interview are equal, there are still more important factors to consider between two applicants than a bottom button a suit jacket lol. Primary/secondary -> correlation to school fit, outstanding characteristics if stats are evenish (pubs, fullbright, etc.)

 

[UWIdahoan]

Great. I wonder if they teach humility at the top 20.

You're the one judging people on their ties, buddy.

 

[710118]

Interview are equal, there are still more important factors to consider between two applicants than a bottom button a suit jacket lol. Primary/secondary -> correlation to school fit, outstanding characteristics if stats are evenish (pubs, fullbright, etc.)

It’s not the bottom button of the suit jacket itself. It’s the fact that it doesn’t show common professional sense. Walk into any bank where they manage peoples money. I bet not even one person buttons the bottom button. I am not a fan of walk street, but they do dress like professionals

 

[notretired]

You're the one judging people on their ties, buddy.

Beat me to it haha

 

[710118]

You're the one judging people on their ties, buddy.

No. I am only judging them if they look like they don’t know what they are doing. I don’t care if they wear a striped tie or a brown one, but please, don’t wear something ridiculous

 

[imbesrs]

It’s not the bottom button of the suit jacket itself. It’s the fact that it doesn’t show common professional sense. Walk into any bank where they manage peoples money. I bet not even one person buttons the bottom button. I am not a fan of walk street, but they do dress like professionals

Age plays a role. I expect you as a 24-25 year old to have more common sense when dressing professionally than a 20 year old junior in college interviewing at the same school at the same time as you.

 

[710118]

Age plays a role. I expect you as a 24-25 year old to have more common sense when dressing professionally than a 20 year old junior in college interviewing at the same school at the same time as you. The people who work at the bank are usually 30+, bad example.

I agree 100 percent. And if I was on an adcom, I would prefer the older student who is almost certainly more mature. I have heard on more than one occasion adcoms saying they prefer applicants who have taken gap years for this reason

 

[notretired]

Age plays a role. I expect you as a 24-25 year old to have more common sense when dressing professionally than a 20 year old junior in college interviewing at the same school at the same time as you.

I'm way older than that and have worked in a field requiring business professional dress for multiple years, I've never heard any of this ridiculousness.

 

[710118]

I'm way older than that and have worked in a field requiring business professional dress for multiple years, I've never heard any of this ridiculousness.

So you button the bottom button?

 

[notretired]

So you button the bottom button?

Are you asking if I'm overweight?

 

[710118]

Are you asking if I'm overweight?

No, I am asking if you button the bottom button

 

[imbesrs]

I agree 100 percent. And if I was on an adcom, I would prefer the older student who is almost certainly more mature. I have heard on more than one occasion adcoms saying they prefer applicants who have taken gap years for this reason

Right as would I, however, adcoms are still allowing them to interview not to suck up flight money, but because they have a chance. I would most certainly expect the 20 year old to try his best in appearance/professional look. Minor mistakes can be overlooked as were all human, and said 20 year old may not have attended as many formalities to become socialized in this domain, simply just missed that bullet point in the google search, or got nervous and buttoned both by accident.

Again point aside, as long as they are not super deviant from normal dress, then i dont think it is a big deal or should be a big deal. Especially in regards to a damn button when there there are 15+ writing pieces, life activities, events, and anything else that falls under "all things considered"

Would love for LizzyM goro etc to chime in on this debate ridden thread

 

[SeaHusky]

Thank you all for this hilarity of a thread on a very long work day. I truly appreciate all of you

I'm throwing out all of my red ties and two button suits (can't forget to unbutton the bottom if you only have one button!) the moment I get home. Can't be too careful these days! 😉

EDIT: If I run into any of you on the interview trail, please promptly tell me your opinion on ties so I know who to ask and who not ask to grab a beer afterwards lol

 

[imbesrs]

Thank you all for this hilarity of a thread on a very long work day. I truly appreciate all of you

35 minute queue times in overwatch allow me to keep up with this thread

 

[Bonne Nuit]

I'm way older than that and have worked in a field requiring business professional dress for multiple years, I've never heard any of this ridiculousness.

+1.

I interviewed dozens of people in my former career and I never ever cared about a person's tie (as long as it wasn't, like, Minions print), and I would have NEVER cared if a man forgot to unbutton his bottom suit button.

 

[CaptainPoopyPants]

The outfit thing is probably more subconscious than specifically thinking “Bottom button? Minus 3 points.” Like it or not, humans hold subconscious biases they may not even be aware of.

 

[jfijiefjieji]

The outfit thing is probably more subconscious than specifically thinking “Bottom button? Minus 3 points.” Like it or not, humans hold subconscious biases they may not even be aware of.

If you start to worry about people's subconscious thoughts, you will drive yourself insane.

 

[Engrailed]

This thread has nothing to do with the title (or tie-tle?) now. 😆

Who knew a button would be so controversial

 

[CaptainPoopyPants]

If you start to worry about people's subconscious thoughts, you will drive yourself insane.

I’m not worried. I don’t button the bottom button lol
But that definitely wasn’t the point. Most of the prior posts are making it sound like interviewers are consciously grading applicants on their attire. I think it’s more likely that after interviewing hundreds of equally qualified applicants, maybe they have a subconscious leaning toward the applicant who looked sharp and professional.

 

[710118]

Right as would I, however, adcoms are still allowing them to interview not to suck up flight money, but because they have a chance. I would most certainly expect the 20 year old to try his best in appearance/professional look. Minor mistakes can be overlooked as were all human, and said 20 year old may not have attended as many formalities to become socialized in this domain, simply just missed that bullet point in the google search, or got nervous and buttoned both by accident.

Again point aside, as long as they are not super deviant from normal dress, then i dont think it is a big deal or should be a big deal. Especially in regards to a damn button when there there are 15+ writing pieces, life activities, events, and anything else that falls under "all things considered"

Would love for LizzyM goro etc to chime in on this debate ridden thread

I agree. They should not be super deviant. I guess we just disagree on what that is. A red tie is not super deviant although I wouldn’t do it. But I would consider the other example super deviant. I have NEVER seen anyone button only the bottom button until I got to a med school interview. And no, I am not privileged, like I mention earlier, I grew up in poverty

 

[SeaHusky]

I’m not worried. I don’t button the bottom button lol
But that definitely wasn’t the point. Most of the prior posts are making it sound like interviewers are consciously grading applicants on their attire. I think it’s more likely that after interviewing hundreds of equally qualified applicants, maybe they have a subconscious leaning toward the applicant who looked sharp and professional.

I think we are all well aware of subconscious biases. But if the difference between us getting an acceptance and a rejection is truly because we forgot to unbutton the bottom button of our suit, then I am very glad I do not attend that institution.

 

[710118]

I think we are all well aware of subconscious biases. But if the difference between us getting an acceptance and a rejection is truly because we forgot to unbutton the bottom button of our suit, then I am very glad I do not attend that institution.

It’s ALL institutions. It’s not elitism whatsoever.

 

[Bonne Nuit]

I agree. They should not be super deviant. I guess we just disagree on what that is. A red tie is not super deviant although I wouldn’t do it. But I would consider the other example super deviant. I have NEVER seen anyone button only the bottom button until I got to a med school interview. And no, I am not privileged, like I mention earlier, I grew up in poverty

Deviant?

 

[notretired]

Deviant?

It starts with a red tie, then petty crime, incarceration, and internalization of your identity as a criminal. Slippery slope.

 

[710118]

Deviant?

Perhaps Ill informed is better. There ARE unwritten rules.

 

[imbesrs]

I agree. They should not be super deviant. I guess we just disagree on what that is. A red tie is not super deviant although I wouldn’t do it. But I would consider the other example super deviant.

I agree w the red tie part, especially if its a bright red. Red is just a super bold color in general, and can just generally draw attention away from a persons face etc.

I have NEVER seen anyone button only the bottom button until I got to a med school interview. And no, I am not privileged, like I mention earlier, I grew up in poverty

I grew up close to that line as well, just over it so we didn't receive benefits. Not a pissing contest, just perspective setting. I haven't seen anyone do it either, but I still think its extremely nitpicky. Agree to disagree on this one.

Deviant

Deviant from mainstream, regular formal attire. One that does not overtly stand out from the crowd.

 

[SeaHusky]

It’s ALL institutions. It’s not elitism whatsoever.

It's not elitism. None of us are denying that subconscious bias exists. We're laughing at you for picking the silliest of hills to die on in regards to having a stick up your butt about some poor kid wearing a red tie or buttoning their second button of the suit. Again: If the reason I didn't get an acceptance is because I wore a red tie to my interview, then LOL. No institution is turning away a good applicant because of a tie or a button dude. We're not talking about walking into interviews with a purple suit, hat, and pimp cane. We're talking about a BUTTON lmao.

JFC.

 

[907914]

Perhaps Ill informed is better. There ARE unwritten rules.

Less rules, more guidelines. Less are, more aren’t.

 

[907914]

This is sadder than when I stood on the hill of no tipping.

 

[SeaHusky]

This is sadder than when I stood on the hill of no tipping.

first of all, how dare u

 

[Bonne Nuit]

So, I'll say one final thing as a person who interviewed people for $100,000+ positions.

My time is valuable. The time I spent interviewing people at the expense of my other responsibilities is valuable. In addition, the candidates' time is valuable, and I respect their time because I was a professional adult in a professional workplace.

It was not in my or my company's best interest to reject an otherwise qualified candidate if I observed minor fashion "hiccups" (dumb tie, dirt on pant leg, unzipped zipper, untied shoelaces, misbuttoned/unbuttoned buttons) in an interview. How would that make ANY sense?

If a candidate came in looking like a complete mess, that would be one thing - but this chatter about the bottom button on a man's suit or the color of his tie is veering into truly absurd territory.

Go into all interviews looking polished and professional. If you get rejected (from med school or a future employer), I 100% promise you it's not because you were wearing a gunmetal colored tie.

 

[710118]

It's not elitism. None of us are denying that subconscious bias exists. We're laughing at you for picking the silliest of hills to die on in regards to having a stick up your butt about some poor kid wearing a red tie or buttoning their second button of the suit. Again: If the reason I didn't get an acceptance is because I wore a red tie to my interview, then LOL. No institution is turning away a good applicant because of a tie or a button dude. We're not talking about walking into interviews with a purple suit, hat, and pimp cane. We're talking about a BUTTON lmao.

JFC.

These small things reveal how “well adjusted” someone is. That’s why I am making a big deal about it