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[Hoooba]

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Interesting about the weddings. Jewish weddings were originally sort of like this, too: there was a betrothal, and then later on there was the actual marriage. In between the couple was sort of half married. Now it's all done together, though.

I've had lamb before, I think, and it was really good. I know za'atar, as it's used in Israel, but I don't know the translation either 🙂. I think it's just a spice mixture sort of (?)

My friends from Iran say that the food here in the US is too bland, because they're used to spicy Middle Eastern cooking. I think there are more spices easily available than there used to be, though, so probably people are starting to adopt Middle Eastern and Indian and Mexican and all sorts of other cuisines and sort of turning them into something unique. Sort of like a luau with a whole lamb 🙂

This thread is really making me hungry for some food from back home. I can just picture a nice shawerma sandwich right now, or some of my grandmother's Ma7shy.
🙄

 

[Hook17]

yea some nice shawerma and a karz flavor argeeela would really hit the spot

 

[jojosaxy]

hey guys,
chilllllllll........
the post was not meant to state fact, or my personal perspective, but merely to try and provide some insight into the israeli perspective, and why they do some of the things they do. I dont think everything they do is right, nor do I think all the things the palestinians do are right. I am merely trying to develop a deeper understanding of the situation.

I am not looking to get into a name calling match, or to resort to any of the other knee jerk emotional reactions that usually accompany this discussion. As someone already pointed out, this is the perspective I am most familiar with, especially as a jew. But if you read the post, you will see the reason I am here is not to espouse israeli ideology, but rather to learn about the other perspective. Where better to learn about it then from a group of educated folks with ties to arab culture and or descent?

I would hope some similar curiosity exists on both sides of the conflict...
j

 

[Hook17]

so whats your question? why do palestinians blow things up or why don't the arab countries accept the jewish state warmly?

 

[Denn]

But you are ignoring three other genocides that took place before or during the Jewish one. What about the Armenian genocide WWI, in which 1.5 million Armenians were exterminated by the Turkish government, they were thrown off of ships, drowned in the Euphrates, burned alive, raped, force to convert to Islam, starved, etc. Or what of the Serbian genocide in WWII, in which nearly 1 million Serbs were exterminated by the Croatian government, and its Muslim allies, mostly in the Croatian death camp of Jasenovac? Or what about the Gypsy (Roma) genocide of hundreds of thousands by the Nazis, which seems to be far more underreported than the Holocaust.

Wow man, get your facts straight and don't give false information to people on this forum. Yugoslavian government deliberately exaggerated the number of people who died in Jasenovac. Many people died there and whatever the number is, it is too many. However Serbs killed the same number of people, if not more, in the same period. And about Armenian genocide, read this: http://www.ataa.org/ataa/ref/armenian/anatolia1915.html

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

Wow man, get your facts straight and don't give false information to people on this forum. Yugoslavian government deliberately exaggerated the number of people who died in Jasenovac. Many people died there and whatever the number is, it is too many. However Serbs killed the same number of people, if not more, in the same period. And about Armenian genocide, read this: http://www.ataa.org/ataa/ref/armenian/anatolia1915.html

Let us not balkanize the Middle East. 😉

I am basing my stats on Jasenovac on Wiesenthal's own website:

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x11/xm1103.html

and on a website made by the survivors (Serbian and Jewish, mostly) of Jasenovac:

http://www.jasenovac.org/whatwasjasenovac/index.asp

http://www.jasenovac.org/exhibits/index.asp

As for the Armenian genocide, the following is a VERY comprehensive website:

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/photointro.html

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/sampledocs.html

Note the extensive documentation as well as photographs. Based on your avatar and your avowed sympathies for Turks and Arabs (which is OK, as long as you don't use it to justify genocide), I am guessing that you are a Bosnian Muslim, and that you have a vested interest in discrediting genocides perpetrated in whole or in part by Muslims over Orthodox Christians.

 

[DemonDeacon]

ya shabab, hajj!!

So THAT'S where the FX show was made... dearborne... i should have known!!

ps: if you guys wanna see pics of damascus: http://community.webshots.com/user/fynaji

 

[sunny123]

Chicken shawarma rules!!! But hold the pickeled turnips or radishes or olives hehhehe

 

[freesolo]

Interesting about the weddings. Jewish weddings were originally sort of like this, too: there was a betrothal, and then later on there was the actual marriage. In between the couple was sort of half married. Now it's all done together, though.

I've had lamb before, I think, and it was really good. I know za'atar, as it's used in Israel, but I don't know the translation either 🙂. I think it's just a spice mixture sort of (?)

My friends from Iran say that the food here in the US is too bland, because they're used to spicy Middle Eastern cooking. I think there are more spices easily available than there used to be, though, so probably people are starting to adopt Middle Eastern and Indian and Mexican and all sorts of other cuisines and sort of turning them into something unique. Sort of like a luau with a whole lamb 🙂

i cant stand the spices, you should try pakistani food if ya like that kinda stuff. I'm getting pretty bored with food right now, my mom makes arabic food occasionally, but i miss shawrma, and kishka. As soon as i got off the plane in syria i hit a shawrma spot 😀.

 

[BaylorGuy]

Well, there's a difference between the spices in arabic food and pakistani food. I tend to find pakistani food usually over-spiced....too much curry or coriander. It cleans my sinuses but leaves me hungry.

But i would have to agree though, a quick fix to any hunger is a nice shawarma or fallafel sandwich. Either one and i'm good for a few hours.

 

[nimer1456]

I really want some Grape Leaves after reading these posts!! Does anyone know where I can get some good grapes leaves in Chicago? I can't harass my friends mom's all the time 😀

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

I really want some Grape Leaves after reading these posts!! Does anyone know where I can get some good grapes leaves in Chicago? I can't harass my friends mom's all the time 😀

Have you tried Greek or Balkan goods stores? I imagine they should have them, if there are no Middle Eastern stores around.

Btw, what do you use them for? Stuff 'em with rice and meat?

 

[nimer1456]

Have you tried Greek or Balkan goods stores? I imagine they should have them, if there are no Middle Eastern stores around.

Btw, what do you use them for? Stuff 'em with rice and meat?

I meant grape leaves that already have rice and meat in them. I am too lazy to make my own. I am moving to Chicago soon so I will need a new way to get them.

 

[wendywellesley]

I really want some Grape Leaves after reading these posts!! Does anyone know where I can get some good grapes leaves in Chicago? I can't harass my friends mom's all the time 😀

mmm... warak al aynab, the only food pharse i remembered from arabic class.

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

I meant grape leaves that already have rice and meat in them. I am too lazy to make my own. I am moving to Chicago soon so I will need a new way to get them.

Well, I imagine that aren't enough, there is a fairly large Greek and south Slav population there, so these make cover some of your "food needs." Baklava, Turkish delight, coffee, stuffed grapeleaves, stuffed onions (dolme), etc.

 

[shadowy onion]

That's pathetic. You were for sure raised to see YOUR side of the story(your teachers did a gread job 🙄 .) Zero posts so far, and you are already spreading hatred.

Spreading Hatred? From my point of view the OP presented a well educated and tolerant post. By putting the OP down you come across in a very bad way. While the argument is one-sided, the OP made it clear that it would be. All he wanted was the Palestinian/Arab side to share their view. To be honest, the only Palestinian side I ever heard was from a very kind young woman who attended my college. She comes from a small village in Northern Israel, but calls herself Palestinian. With a strong and confident voice she shared her opinion and frustration.
Personally, I wish that King Abdallah could afford to send thousands of more Palestinians to the US, so they to can recieve an education like my friend did.
The Palestinian education system is one of the major reasons leading to the current situation. Text Books spreading hatred and poison are all too common and must be replaced by a moderate voice.
Until this happens, Palestinians will continue to suffer from their own leadership, not from the Israelis.

 

[Hoooba]

As soon as i got off the plane in syria i hit a shawrma spot 😀.

yum...the infamous syrian shawerma. You're really making me hungry. By the way, has anyone heard of the egyptian fool and falafel chain - El Ba3'l. I am not kidding about the name. It's really popular in a couple of cities in egypt. We have two of those restaurants in my city, Mansoura. Their fool and falafel are to die for. There's always a line in front of the store, even at 4 am. Man I'm home sick.

p.s. - by the way, "El Ba3'l" means the Jackass or Donkey

 

[Shobra]

yum...the infamous syrian shawerma. You're really making me hungry. By the way, has anyone heard of the egyptian fool and falafel chain - El Ba3'l. I am not kidding about the name. It's really popular in a couple of cities in egypt. We have two of those restaurants in my city, Mansoura. Their fool and falafel are to die for. There's always a line in front of the store, even at 4 am. Man I'm home sick.

p.s. - by the way, "El Ba3'l" means the Jackass or Donkey

Yeah, I heard of this store too. But I at ate there once after midnight in Ramadan. Was great, indeed.

 

[freesolo]

ya shabab, hajj!!

So THAT'S where the FX show was made... dearborne... i should have known!!

ps: if you guys wanna see pics of damascus: http://community.webshots.com/user/fynaji

these pics are pretty cool, makes me wanna go back soon! If i get into med school this year im heading there in the summer. That ummayad mosque is the coolest thing ive ever seen. I never got whose buried their? And whats with the ppl putting strings and stuff around that coffin. That Place was a church before right?

 

[freesolo]

and there is some pretty scandalous ppl in hamadya, everybody is over there to screw ya with a bad deal, or rob ya lol. It was nice for souvenirs, and they had some sweet ice cream store too.

 

[meehawl]

Hebrew won't help you learn how to read Arabic, nor will it make it easier. The writing is totally different, and the origins are different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language

Hebrew strongly resembles Aramaic and to a lesser extent South-Central Arabic, sharing many linguistic features with them. Hebrew is an Afro-Asiatic language. This language family is generally thought by linguists to have originated somewhere in northeastern Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

The Semitic languages are a family of languages spoken by more than 250 million people across much of the Middle East, where they originated, and North and East Africa. They constitute the northeastern subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic languages, and the only family of this group spoken in Asia. The most widely spoken Semitic language today is Arabic by far, followed by Amharic, Hebrew, and Tigrinya.

Disclaimer: The only languages I know are English (Germanic origin), French (Romance origin), and Irish (Celtic origin), and they all use mostly the same letters. I was just prompted by all the replies to do some googling.

 

[chaeymaey]

It means your are very good looking!

Anti= you Female
Kteer= Very
Hilwa= Prety

The secret is revealed.

Thanks, doc. Aww, that is a nice compliment. 🙂 Shokren

 

[Hook17]

woman im the one who said it, he only translated

 

[DemonDeacon]

Yeah, it was a temple for the Roman Gods, then it was converted to Church. Then a Church/Mosque, and now it's only a Mosque.

St. John the Baptist is supposedly buried there, not sure what part of him though. He's an important figure in Islam, but as a tradition for churches, his body is there as a relic.

Don't go in the summer if you don't like the heat! I will NEVER go in the summer there again, it's alot better in the winter and spring. There are way too many tourists in the summer, as well.

these pics are pretty cool, makes me wanna go back soon! If i get into med school this year im heading there in the summer. That ummayad mosque is the coolest thing ive ever seen. I never got whose buried their? And whats with the ppl putting strings and stuff around that coffin. That Place was a church before right?

 

[chaeymaey]

woman im the one who said it, he only translated

I only meant the first sentence for him, the rest for you. Thanks!

 

[freesolo]

Yeah, it was a temple for the Roman Gods, then it was converted to Church. Then a Church/Mosque, and now it's only a Mosque.

St. John the Baptist is supposedly buried there, not sure what part of him though. He's an important figure in Islam, but as a tradition for churches, his body is there as a relic.

Don't go in the summer if you don't like the heat! I will NEVER go in the summer there again, it's alot better in the winter and spring. There are way too many tourists in the summer, as well.

Who is this St. John the baptist in Islam? It was shiah ppl that really were around his grave. My gpa said he was related to ali somehow, and than someone else told me it was ali, so nobody actually knows?

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

Who is this St. John the baptist in Islam? It was shiah ppl that really were around his grave. My gpa said he was related to ali somehow, and than someone else told me it was ali, so nobody actually knows?

John the Baptist was the prophet that immediately preceded Jesus Christ, and announced His coming. The Muslim connection is that John the Baptist said: 'But one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire.
Luke 3:15-17' Of course, Christians rightly believe the greater one is Jesus. Muslims believe that John the Baptist was speaking of Mohammed. That is the connection, as far as I know.

Another case of this is where Jesus speaks of the coming of the Holy Spirit after His death. Muslims believe this is Mohammed of which He speaks.

 

[DemonDeacon]

^ There's a lot more connection than just that. Muslims believe in all the prophets mentioned in the Quran and know that there are many more not mentioned. However, John was mentioned as to how he was born as a miracle (his mother was barren) and how he led a pure life.

^^ There were no "Sunnis" or "shi'ites" during the life of John, and neither for a long long time. john is the son of Zachariya, who's wife I think is related to Meryiam (correct me if I'm wrong), the mother of Jesus. I don't know if Jesus is related to Muhammad, but if they are, then Ali woudl automatically be related to John.

 

[gujuDoc]

That's silly. A Spaniard cannot understand a Romanian, but that doesn't mean that they are not both Romance languages!

As for the farsi/urdu being closer to Arabic, I find that bizarre, since Farsi and Urdu are Indo-European, and Hebrew is Semitic. I have heard Hindi and Farsi, and I can definitely tell you that they sound nothing like either Hebrew or Arabic. In contrast, I've heard both Hebrew and Arabic and oftentimes cannot tell the two apart, the sounds are so similar.

Agreed. Urdu is very much like Hindi and not really anything like Farsi. I have farsi premed friends, moraccon arabic premed friends, and egyptian arabic premed friends. Not really seen many palestinians outside of one or two. Actually knew more palestinian people prior to college then in college itself.

Syrians and Egyptians tend to be the bulk of arabs at USF. Persian people also tend to be in big number.

But I love Iranian, Lebanese, and Greek food. Mediterranean food is my friend.

Falafel, hummus, and tablouleh especially.

Prior to giving up meat, I loved this thing that a lebanese place had called arayes. It was beef in a tortilla like bread.

Its real good stuff.

Oh and though I don't understand it, I love love love arabic, greek, and albanian music. Especially the upbeat faster songs.

I want to learn arabic, greek, and some indian languages since I'm indian.

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

^ There's a lot more connection than just that. Muslims believe in all the prophets mentioned in the Quran and know that there are many more not mentioned. However, John was mentioned as to how he was born as a miracle (his mother was barren) and how he led a pure life.

^^ There were no "Sunnis" or "shi'ites" during the life of John, and neither for a long long time. john is the son of Zachariya, who's wife I think is related to Meryiam (correct me if I'm wrong), the mother of Jesus. I don't know if Jesus is related to Muhammad, but if they are, then Ali woudl automatically be related to John.

Mary's cousin was Elizaebeth. Also, Muhammad and Jesus were not related in any way, except through Abraham.

 

[BaylorGuy]

Just got back from that wedding...i was slightly distressed to find no Arabic food. It made me sad. Then i found out they were serving pakistani food (the place that was rented out was called "Taj Hall" and was in the middle of pakitown in houston....go figure). Well, i'm not a big fan of pakistani food...its usually too spicy/hot and is just generally way too overspiced. Suprisingly, this pakistani food was awesome. I dont know what it was, but it was really tasty...had some good spices, but nothing over powering....i was shocked, and full.

 

[pakidoc]

good to know you liked pakistani food!

at most pakistani resteraunts... they will ask you whether you want your food mild, spicy or extra spicy before they make it...

Just got back from that wedding...i was slightly distressed to find no Arabic food. It made me sad. Then i found out they were serving pakistani food (the place that was rented out was called "Taj Hall" and was in the middle of pakitown in houston....go figure). Well, i'm not a big fan of pakistani food...its usually too spicy/hot and is just generally way too overspiced. Suprisingly, this pakistani food was awesome. I dont know what it was, but it was really tasty...had some good spices, but nothing over powering....i was shocked, and full.

 

[freesolo]

good to know you liked pakistani food!

at most pakistani resteraunts... they will ask you whether you want your food mild, spicy or extra spicy before they make it...

your mild is extra spicy =p.

I have to say, arabic food and paki food in general isn't healthy. I always think im gonna have a heart attack after seeing all the the grease in the food.

 

[pakidoc]

your mild is extra spicy =p.

I have to say, arabic food and paki food in general isn't healthy. I always think im gonna have a heart attack after seeing all the the grease in the food.

tru dat... sometimes the food served at resteraunts is literally floating in oil. 🙄

 

[iraqiamerican]

By the way, in Iraq their is a type of people called Sabaean or Mandeans. They are the followers of John the Baptist. These people are really great people. Their population is dying very fast thou (only like 3 or 4K left?) I actually treated a Sabaean in ER last week. I knew he was one because of his necklas that looked something like this. (A cross with a towel around it)

Iraq is very special 😉

 

[Yellow-Jellow]

The Doc is hereeeeeeee

hey all..my name is ashraf..palastenian <--- did i spell that right ?..live in dearborn, MI..lived in jordan 'till I became 18 yrs old.then i moved to USA...WOW..i simplefied my life story in few words..by the way..any of u in dearborn or detroit area?
😀 😎

 

[Hook17]

The Doc is hereeeeeeee

hey all..my name is ashraf..palastenian <--- did i spell that right ?..live in dearborn, MI..lived in jordan 'till I became 18 yrs old.then i moved to USA...WOW..i simplefied my life story in few words..by the way..any of u in dearborn or detroit area?
😀 😎

lol this must be one of the crazyones i was talking abuot.. min wen fee falisteen 2nta?

 

[Karim]

I love Arabic food, as I grew up eating it. I would have nothing against Pakistani food if it wasn't for the all spice and bones that are in it...I'm sure that there is great Pakistani food without bones or spice but when we have potlucks at the mosque Pakistani food almost always means bones and spice. BTW, no offense to any Pakistanis out there!

 

[DReject]

^ There's a lot more connection than just that. Muslims believe in all the prophets mentioned in the Quran and know that there are many more not mentioned. However, John was mentioned as to how he was born as a miracle (his mother was barren) and how he led a pure life.

^^ There were no "Sunnis" or "shi'ites" during the life of John, and neither for a long long time. john is the son of Zachariya, who's wife I think is related to Meryiam (correct me if I'm wrong), the mother of Jesus. I don't know if Jesus is related to Muhammad, but if they are, then Ali woudl automatically be related to John.

Zacharia's wife is the sister of Maryam, I believe. Yahya (John) and Isa (Jesus) are cousins, wlad khalat.

Speaking of Dearborn, my cousin and her husband live there. Last summer, we went for a week vacation. My dad loved all the Arabic food stores. The restaurants are nice, espcially Al-Jannah (I think that's the one I went to...or was it Al-Amir).
Dearborn is practically all Arabs and the drug stores, restaurants, every place imaginable had Arabic translations. It was a good place to practice reading Arabic.
For some reason, my cuz wanted me to go to 8 MIle...(I'm sure candy monniker rapper inspired),.....at midnight!
But , of course, it was hard to see the Palace of Auburn Hills...since the Pistons had defeated the Lakers that year.

Well, I need to stop all this haki warja3 ala dirasti.
Must go study, and stop procrastinating.

 

[Yellow-Jellow]

waz up HOOK17........from NABLUS

 

[DemonDeacon]

I have to say, arabic food and paki food in general isn't healthy. I always think im gonna have a heart attack after seeing all the the grease in the food.

Hahah, you've got to be kidding me. Arabic food falls under the Mediterranean Diet, and trust me... it's healthier than most food here. The grease they use back home is animal fat (for the most part) or olive oil. They hardly use butter, which is a trans fat and won't burn as easily as the animal fat and definitely not better than olive oil.

If you're eating Arabic or Paki food that's dripping with a lot of grease, you're most likely not eating at the right places.

 

[myfavred]

I like habibi noor-ul-ain

I know it shouldn't count but this thread has developed ADD anyways and now we are discussing food. So why not music 😀

 

[Hook17]

nabilseeee.. a7la wa sa7la

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

Hahah, you've got to be kidding me. Arabic food falls under the Mediterranean Diet, and trust me... it's healthier than most food here. The grease they use back home is animal fat (for the most part) or olive oil. They hardly use butter, which is a trans fat and won't burn as easily as the animal fat and definitely not better than olive oil.

If you're eating Arabic or Paki food that's dripping with a lot of grease, you're most likely not eating at the right places.

I think butter is cis. The butter substitutes, like margarine, often are not.

 

[BaylorGuy]

I think butter is cis. The butter substitutes, like margarine, often are not.

whether its cis or trans....it tastes good

 

[doctor0125]

ana urdany

 

[akademiks1989]

Shloonkum? Shlon ani e7chi, uku fed wahid yetruf min ay dawla ani min? Yalla!

 

[mideastbroson]

Marhaba ! 🙂

Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
Grandson of the Nasser Family (Those of you who live there are most assuredly familiar with the last name)

Shukhran!

 

[akademiks1989]

Marhaba ! 🙂

Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
Grandson of the Nasser Family (Those of you who live there are most assuredly familiar with the last name)

Shukhran!

Who isn't familiar with the common arab last name of Nasser?

Ahlan wa Sahlan fi SDN!

 

[Zweihander]

Who is this St. John the baptist in Islam?

You might have heard him referred to as Yahya (a.s.).