Any fellowship Match Data?

[SoulinNeed]

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I know NRMP discloses some data for fellowships, but I'm specifically looking for pain and cardiothoracic fellowship data for Anesthesiology, but they seem to only have pediatric anesthesiology data. Anyone know where we can find more detailed fellowship match data, or if it even exists?

 

[Mt Kilimanjaro]

This won't be relevant to you for almost a decade. It will probably change by then.

 

[SoulinNeed]

This won't be relevant to you for almost a decade. It will probably change by then.

Well, I'm starting med school this Fall. I'm interested, and I'm just asking. Of course it will change, but I still want to know.

 

[gyngyn]

I know NRMP discloses some data for fellowships, but I'm specifically looking for pain and cardiothoracic fellowship data for Anesthesiology, but they seem to only have pediatric anesthesiology data. Anyone know where we can find more detailed fellowship match data, or if it even exists?

Only the residencies have fellowship match data. I have never seen it publicly disclosed by program. Since you don't know where you will match for residency it's impossible to contact that program for their stats, I'm afraid.

 

[SoulinNeed]

Only the residencies have fellowship match data. I have never seen it publicly disclosed by program. Since you don't know where you will match for residency it's impossible to contact that program for their stats, I'm afraid.

Thanks.

 

[Winged Scapula]

I can't speak for Pain and Anesthesia, but the SSO (Society for Surgical Oncology) publishes their match results on-line, including surgical residency program of origin for the incoming fellows.

Many residency programs have a section entitled, "where our graduates go" or something like that, but since not all fellowships use NRMP or any centralized match service, getting detailed specifics for those is difficult.

 

[Law2Doc]

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Many residency programs have a section entitled, "where our graduates go" or something like that, but since not all fellowships use NRMP or any centralized match service, getting detailed specifics for those is difficult.

Yeah, many many fellowships in many subspecialties, although still equally prestigious, aren't ACGME accredited or via a formal match, so there wouldn't be one source of information, which is why each residency may be the only resource as to where it's grads are going. It's not like the residency process where there's really one major "match" for allo (ignoring the smaller SF and military matches).

 

[Winged Scapula]

Well, I'm starting med school this Fall. I'm interested, and I'm just asking. Of course it will change, but I still want to know.

Why?

Not deriding you just honestly curious about why this would be important to you.

 

[BigRedBeta]

Yeah, many many fellowships in many subspecialties, although still equally prestigious, aren't ACGME accredited or via a formal match, so there wouldn't be one source of information, which is why each residency may be the only resource as to where it's grads are going. It's not like the residency process where there's really one major "match" for allo (ignoring the smaller SF and military matches).

THIS

The NRMP has some limited data it shares, but it's only for fellowships that are participating in the match, which is likely what you found. As you can imagine, if there's no central clearinghouse for applicants/programs there's not going to be any data to be publish.

 

[mirimonster]

I was under the impression that the ability to get into a competitive fellowship was more dependent on residency then med school, so a med school's fellowship list is even more irrelevant.

 

[Law2Doc]

I was under the impression that the ability to get into a competitive fellowship was more dependent on residency then med school, so a med school's fellowship list is even more irrelevant.

Yes, med school's bearing on fellowship is pretty trivial, and the reasoning behind this question Is pretty convoluted, if that's what the OP is getting at.

 

[Pons Asinorum]

We may as well start talking about how to negotiate tail coverage in our first contract. Where you go to fellowship will depend on a lot of variables, none of which you can control in any capacity whatsoever right now. Work hard for the first two years, crush Step 1, and then work even harder for your next year and a half or so, and you can start worrying about calling your shots for residency. That is the point in your career that any subspecialty fellowship placement data can even start to make conceptual sense. There is just too much context that you don't even know that you don't know to spend time worrying about whether your betrothed MD program can get you from point A to points B, C and D.

 

[SoulinNeed]

I was under the impression that the ability to get into a competitive fellowship was more dependent on residency then med school, so a med school's fellowship list is even more irrelevant.

That wasn't what I was talking about. I meant something similar to what the NRMP publishes every year about the match.

 

[Law2Doc]

That wasn't what I was talking about. I meant something similar to what the NRMP publishes every year about the match.

For what purpose -- to what end? The more experienced are weighing in here and suggesting that there is no reason conceivable that a premed about to start med school should even find such info remotely useful if it actually existed. Do well in med school, particularly on Step 1 and the clinical years, and that will pave the road to a desirable residency. When you get there you can decide on the next step, not before.

Anyway we answered the question -- there isn't "a" single match for fellowships, many fellowships won't even be through the ACGME, and so your ability to find a single publication, clearinghouse or chart is nonexistent. There will not even be something that encompasses a large percentage of fellows, it's all too inhomogeneous. We aren't hiding the ball, the ball doesn't exist. Each residency you interview at can give you an idea of where people went for fellowship, and if you are interested in an academic or subspecialty path that's always a good line of inquiry in residency interviews. But not so much before. There's nothing to do to enhance fellowship prospects at this time that isn't something you already should be doing in med school for residency purposes.

 

[SoulinNeed]

For what purpose -- to what end? The more experienced are weighing in here and suggesting that there is no reason conceivable that a premed about to start med school should even find such info remotely useful if it actually existed. Do well in med school, particularly on Step 1 and the clinical years, and that will pave the road to a desirable residency. When you get there you can decide on the next step, not before.

Anyway we answered the question -- there isn't "a" single match for fellowships, many fellowships won't even be through the ACGME, and so your ability to find a single publication, clearinghouse or chart is nonexistent. There will not even be something that encompasses a large percentage of fellows, it's all too inhomogeneous. We aren't hiding the ball, the ball doesn't exist. Each residency you interview at can give you an idea of where people went for fellowship, and if you are interested in an academic or subspecialty path that's always a good line of inquiry in residency interviews. But not so much before. There's nothing to do to enhance fellowship prospects at this time that isn't something you already should be doing in med school for residency purposes.

Dude, I'm just curious. That's all. It's not going to affect what I do. I wasn't planning on not working hard. I was just curious. What's the matter with you people? I didn't accuse anyone of "hiding the ball that doesn't exist." You just made a bunch of assumptions about my motives for no reason.