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Looking at the numbers out there I am really getting discouraged. I've been seeing statistics saying that about 2% of those with GPAs ranging from 2.5-2.9 get accepted. Unfortunately I'm on the lower side of the low GPAs....whats an aspiring doctor to do??? I'm thinking I should retake core science classes and take some extra biomedical electives. Considering that I'm already a science major with about 130 hrs and w/ a 2.5 GPA it will take almost another degree to really boost my credentials(Damn I am getting progressively more depressed as I type this).

Is there anyone that is or has been in the same situation as me? Or anyone with some kind of advice for me?
 
I've heard of non-traditional students with low grades from undergrad who do a post-bac, do very well, and then apply succesfully. However, people in this situation tend to have been out of school for a number of years...hence their bad grades are 5-10 years old and don't tend to get held against them as much (as long as they do well in a post-bac). Plus many of these people have really interesting life experiences which can make up, to some degree, for weaknesses in other areas.

If you are still in college now then your bad grades are fairly recent and it's less likely people will be willing to cut you slack about them. Generally to even get looked at you need a cumulative science GPA above a 3.0. So my advice would be to do a postbac or a masters, kick ass, and raise your GPA to at least above a 3.0 before applying. However, I think you need to look at why you got a 2.5-2.9 in the first place. Have conditions changed enough that you are honestly sure you can do better now? Because the last thing you want to do is take more classes and not do better in them, because the more credits you have the harder it will be to dig yourself out of the hole. Really think about why you did poorly in the past and what you can do to fix it, and don't take any more classes until you're sure you will do well in them.
 
my science gpa is a 2.97 and my cum is a 3.10

I got interviews at SUNY -Stony Brook, Suny- Buffalo, UMDNJ -newark and robert wood, and I also interviewed at Drexel. Ive been waitlisted at 2 schools so far, but I also applied to osteopathic and got into 2 schools so far in that along with 2 waitlists. So you can do it, but I would do a post bac or masters to be in a better position. Im also a URM which im sure heps with the MD schools, not much with the D.O. ones though
 
2.9
3 interviews, 1 WL, 1 not yet heard.

On the plus side, MCAT was 36S, my LORs are stellar, I dis recent coursework that is 3.9, and I have worked as a paramedic for 7 years. My personal statement, I have been told, grabs your attention.

I am the poster child for the description that jennie 21 gave.

I hope you have something else going for you, like ECs, an interesting life, or work experience. I have all the empathy in the world for you, but fighting a low GPA is tough work.

Good luck.
 
Jennie,
I've only been out of school for about a year and a half. And I certainly have not obtained any really amazing life experience since then seeing as I've been banging my head at a dead end technician job at a biotech company. Thats whats really bothering me...most of the people with those lower GPA acceptances have some really incredible life story that is an extenuating circumstance for their poor grades. This isn't me. I've considered going to the Peace Corps and doing some health care work but I feel like I'd be doing it more out of opportunism than altruism. And when you mentioned a master's program, are you speaking of a masters in biology or just in any field? Thanks for the input by the way.

AntGod,
I guess I have the same question that I posed the aforementioned poster. I'm applying to a master's program in science and public policy...its fairly open so I'll be taking some science and some liberal arts classes. Do you think a bio program would be better? I'm not really interested in going into research and this would only be something I'd do to get into medical school, which obviously is not a good reason to do this. I'm thinking of supplementing my deficient GPA with undergrad prereqs I didnt do well in and other biomed classes that are covered in the usual medical school curriculum. Sound good or bad?
 
oh yeah and congratulations on your acceptances antgod.😛
 
if you've got avg stats for your MCAT (~30) and you havent done anything extraordinary...

then I would suggest going to grad school first and showing that you're capable of getting good grades... with a low GPA, you've gotta have a good reason for why you arent pulling it to the adcom...

that's what I would suggest have you taken the mcat?
 
Hey paramed...thats terrific news. Looks like the hard work really paid off. 36 on the MCAT, good grief! And though I've really not done much to repair my gpa it does seem like a very steep hill to climb. But hey looks like you did it and did it well.
 
Longshot..Hang in there friend!

Climbing out of the sub 3.0 hole is not easy. I am in your position, but haven't lost all hope just yet.

The first thing you can do is run a hypothetical calculation on what it would take to get that GPA at or above 3.0. Once you have the figure (with the corresponding credits), you can look at postbacc programs or second degree programs that you can take.

It looks like your all set for a Masters, in that case, you'll probably need to ace those grad courses. Just a suggestion, check with the Med. Schools regarding grad GPA. Depending on the school, some may view the GPA in more favorable light compared to undergrad while others may not give much credence to it.

Good luck with everything, as for me, I'll be taking the postbacc route.
 
Longshot-
I occurs to me that I wasn't very encouraging. One constant element of many threads on SDN is that you CAN do it; many people have gone before you and done it.

BUT.

Do you wake up at 300 AM, and think "I need to be a doctor?" Do you ache in your stomach, knowing that this is the destiny that God, Buddha, fate, the Big Bang made you for? Do you know why you want to be a doctor?

If your answers are hesitant or equivocal, forget it. My path has been ardous and costly (money is the least of it). My motivation has not wavered, but it has been exhausting and painful. And I haven't even gotten in anywhere yet!

Like they say, be careful what you wish for. You might get it.
 
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Big ups JZH... I commend you on pursuing med school. There aren't many post-baccs in my state so I'm thinking about doing this science/public policy/journalism program and taking undergrad classes over again. I'm a little worried about overloading my schedule seeing as this is probably where I went wrong in college to begin with. Are you taking everything over from Bio1 and Chem1?
 
I agree with the others who said it would help if you took some science classes over again...I'm not so sure about the public policy/journalism program you mentioned, though...I think that might not be enough of a "science-y" field to prove to adcoms that you can do med school work.

Also, you say that you think you just overloaded your schedule before...I also don't want to be discouraging, but it is true that med school schedules aren't known for being easy at all...if you really struggled in college, maybe you should re-evaluate your study habits or your science ability. Personally, I think (nearly) everyone can do what it takes, with enough dedication and work, but you have to decide if you want to put all that work in.

Again, if med school is what you really want to do, you still have a chance...but I do think you really need to improve your GPA and work on your application in other ways to show that medicine is something you will be able to do, and something you want that badly.
 
Because this program is more of a liberal arts-science combination I am concerned about how that would be construed by adcoms just as you pointed out...its not rooted completely in science. I did however, talk to some admissions people about this and they said it wouldn't really hurt my chances. But then I can see why someone who has taken graduate courses in molecular biology has demonstrated their aptitude for science as opposed to someone studying humanities.

I may have misspoke about overloading my schedule. I did have a lot of hard upper level science classes when my GPA took a turn for the worse but my poor performance was mainly due to my lack of focus and concentration during those years. I think with sincere dedication I can get As in the required courses.
 
Thanks for the kind words...


I, like many others, think that the Masters program will get in your way of Med School. You don't need to go through a structured potbacc program, you can take classes at your local college/university, although you will have to be diligent with the LOR's.

Yes, I plan on taking all my Pre-Med courses over again, eventhough I did decent in 1 or 2. The reason I am going to do all the sciences over is not only to improve GPA (hopefully!) but also to make sure that I have everything "fresh" in my mind before the MCATs.

You really don't want to overextend yourself here, because the sciences courses WILL be demanding as we both know that excellent grades will be required. I don't think you should drop everything either. In my case, I hope to continue to work part time (~20hrs) at my lab, and work the weekends at the hospital (~14 hrs). The way I see it, having a well rounded schedule with studies, research and clinical work will speak volumes when the application time rolls around. Another positive side effect will be taking time off for finals and exams, as my experience has shown that Professors and Hospital admin. is more flexible with students than say your regular run of the mill employers. What you need, is to sit down and map out a plan of what you need to do, interms of classes, whether you can continue on at your tech position and finding clinical exposure either through employment or volunterring. Having said that, I really wish you the best of luck and just remember to do the best you can. Hope that helps!
 
Paramed,

Don't sweat it, I havent been discouraged in the slightest by your posts. Quite the opposite, I'm encouraged by your example. You actually responded to the other thread I started and I'm grateful for your input. Just having someone else that is going through the process to consult with is of immeasurable help. The thought of being a doctor is one that does stay with me and now that I've been out of college for almost two years, I can't see myself really pursuing anything else besides this. I've explored so many options and this is the one that sticks the most. Throughout all my career phases, the thought of medicine has always been in the back of my mind. Its just taken me a while to recognize it as what I truly want.

Now, I'm just trying to figure out how to accomplish this goal. And deciding on the way to do it is actually more complicated than I thought it would be...

🙄

JZH,
Hearing your comments along with the others is making me seriously reconsider this masters degree. You seem to have a really sound plan there. I dunno if I can manage working this job I'm at right now...its pretty much a sweatshop gig and I'm getting very sick of it. I never thought about working in a clinical setting, I'll have to look into that. Well much thanks for your input, its been educational, heh.

And the very best of luck to you, you seem extremely driven towards becoming a physician
 
Hi Longshot,

My heart goes out to you. As you may have guessed/gathered, this is going to be a LONG road for you. Years. I don't question your commitment to be a doctor; it's not my place. But my question to you is, are you committed enough that you are willing to pay the heavy toll? Before you answer, know exactly the reasons a physician's career attracts you. Then consider the alternatives that may be (nearly) as fulfilling yet less arduous a road to take.

If your answer to the above is still yes, I strongly recommend:

a) talking with med school adcoms all over to see what they think

b) looking at special masters/post-bac programs affiliated with a med school where your chances of admission is highly improved upon completion of said program. However, it's still not a cakewalk or guaranteed admission by any means. There is a prerequisite gpa minimum. Plus you need to get the rest of your application to a high shine. So therefore I would:

c) buff up your health experience a GREAT deal. Get involved in research. You need a lot of accomplishments in your corner to offset your academic weakness.

BTW, what happened during your undergrad? Were you just a late bloomer or what? Shedding light on this may help us SDNers better tailor our advice.

Hope that helps!

cheers,
sunflower79
 
Let me tell you something. In all of my 13 interviews including M.D. and D.O. I was only asked about my extra curricular activities Id say like 4 or 5 times. The rest of the time was talking about fun stuff such as sports and movies, and viewpoints on topics of healthcare. I think personally that anyone who wants to become a doctor whether D.O. or M.D. should listen to what I had to do.

When I came to NYIT my college I majored in Physical Therapy. I pulled a 3.3 my first semester and then my second semester I fell sick and had to withdraw from all my classes. After that I retook that semester over in the fall and continued in the physical therapy world continously lowering my GPA every semester until I finally hit a 2.3 gpa in my 6 semester at college. I then knew I wasnt even gonna get into the Physical therapy program at my school which required a 3.0 gpa to get in. I then started studying for my classes. I never did this before I never even visited a library. I finally got my GPA up to a 3.0 in about 2 semesters and a summer session. I then didnt want to get into the Physical Therapy Program. I wanted to go into pre-med. I then started studying even harder each semester. I changed majors and had to take more classes to complete the degree. I practically got 3.8 to 4.0 each semester for 4 more semesters. I now have a 3.3 GPA but it is only considered a 3.1 in AMCAS because I retook classes. In ACOMAS it is still a 3.3 which is nice about osteopathic schools.
I then took the MCATs the first time and scored a 6-v,6-P.8-B . Which came out to a friggin 20. I was shocked and dedicated the next 2 and a half months to studying and working. I worked 8-3 monday to friday and then studied at my schools library from 4 to 10. I did this everyday execpt weekends in which i studied about 9-5. I then took the MCATs in august and scored a 8-v,8-P,10-B for a decent 26.
Before I got my 26 i had 2 interviews at osteopathic schools with my 20 mcat. After that I got 11 more interviews. My next interview is on may 13 at drexel.

The reason why I told you guys this is that whats important to getting a interview is this

1. Apply in june/July
2. return secondaries as fast you can
3. Kiss ass in essays
4. Get letters of reccomendation from anyone of significance
5. When at a interview be really outgoing.
6. Never doubt yourself, if you want it bad enough you will do whatever it takes.


And if you cant get a good gpa jsut try to get atleast a 2.75 and a decent MCAT score and you will get interviews at osteopathic schools. I gurantee it !!!!!!!!
 
Just retake a couple of classes. And work at a hospital. It's not over... it never is.😍
 
My friend's buddy got in med school in Louissiana with 2.8 GPA and 30MCAT. He is not an URM, but he is around 33 yrs old and used to be a soldier and EMT.

Hope it helps.

Belief is what you need. Good luck
 
Hey sunflower...well I assumed it would take 2-3 years for me to build up myself as an applicant. I have to say though, the prospect of dedicating that much time solely to get in medical school is unsettling. I'm a little scared that things won't go right and I will have spent as much time just applying to med school that I could have put into something else. That said, I am ready to put these reservations aside and commit myself to becoming a doctor no matter what. I'm even considering going to a foreign school maybe in Ireland or the Carribean.

I did speak with a several adcom personnel who gave me varying opinions on my options. One guy told me that I was probably just better off going out of the country. Some other admissions officer told me to go for any grad programs I was interested but to make sure and retake the classes I fouled up in. And yet another said that I should probably go post-bacc fulltime. My only problem with doing post-bacc studies full time is that this makes me virtually indistinguishable(besides the poor grades) from almost any other candidate. I havent garnered many profoundly meaningful life experiences in the last 23 years or so.
Right now I'm not sure what I'm going to do...I need to think some more about my plans.

About my undergrad history, well thats a long story but I will condense it for our purposes. I changed majors from a B.A. in Biology into a chemistry intensive Biochem degree and kind of self destructed after having to take 17 hours of hard upper level science courses. In retrospect, this was a really dumb move seeing as I only really did this so I could just challenge myself. There are also some more personal circumstances involved in this concerning an ex-girlfriend, but all in all I just couldnt handle it at as a 19 year old junior in college and my so-so B average grades plummeted to atrocious. You could say I was a late bloomer regarding maturity and having the poise to handle difficult situations. Wow I feel like I just spilled my guts. Anyhow thats an explanation(not an excuse) of what happened to me back then.


AntGod,

LOL I feel like I'm prostrating myself before some insect deity. You brought a 2.3 all the way up to a 3.3 after your junior year? Big turnaround there playa - good job. I plan on applying to osteopathic schools no question about it. My PCP is a DO and I think he's an excellent physician and by far the best one I've had. I guess your story is a testament to persistence and the importance of improving your undergraduate grades! I'm glad you shared that with me and everyone else, its informative and inspirational to be honest. I hope you dont mind me asking, but did you take the MCAT while you were studying for anything else? It sounds like you were just working during that period of MCAT prep. 11 interviews, man hold up, thats incredible....best of luck in your career, buddy.

****on a side note******
a lot of people like washkeep have mentioned working at a hospital. would working as an emt/paramedic be equivalent to any other clinical work?
 
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I was listening to a post-bac presentation yesterday and I hope this information helps. The speaker was saying that in his program, he doesn't let students retake the courses that they didn't do well in during their undergrad years. Apparently, statistics have shown that the odds are stacked against you for doing significantly better the second time around. On the other hand, if you do well in the repeated coursse med schools look at the grades and thnk "of course s/he did well, it's the second time around." So he was saying that he generally has students taking courses that are more challenging to allow the student to prove s/he has mastered the material in the course they originally did poorly in AND can do well in the harder course (i.e. if s/he got a D in Chem 101, he would have him/her take Chem 102).
 
When I first took the MCAT I was studying for my spring semester Biochem, Physics II, and Human Physiology courses. I was also working part time 25 hours a week. So I really only studied about 3 times a week for like 2 or 3 hours. This was definitly not enough prep time.

The second time around I studied alot!!!!! I also used examkrackers books in conjunction with my kaplan prep course and materials. I also used examkrackers audio osmosis cd's which I listened to before I went to bed every night. I also did 8 full length practice exams the 2 weeks before the MCAT. This was the best thing I could do. I then checked over every question to make sure I knew how to do them all. I did not take any summer courses when preparing for the MCAT the second time around I only worked part time as a custodian in a elementary school and studied.

I did volunteer service for about 3 months in a ER. Thats all my volunteer experience. They really didnt ask me much about that at all. I am also the vice president and co-founder of my schools pre-med club. And I did do some acting in movies and TV when I was younger which suprisingly some interviewers asked me about. I only stuck that in my application because my dentist told me too !!!
 
Many good replies so far. Here's my input.

You certainly have a chance. This is what I would do if I were in your shoes (and at one time I was). Enroll in a year of post-bac classes that are relavent to medicine. Classes like Pharmacology, Biochemistry, Histology, Physiology, Anatomy...you get the idea. If you can get close to straight A's in all of those classes your application will look much beter. You will have shown that you can handle a tough course-load, and that you are dedicted to your goal. You may also consider a two year masters program in some relavent area.

Spend some time to really craft your personal statement. Try to make your essay hard to put down once you've begun to read it.

When you apply, apply to at least 20 schools and don't bother with more than a few of the top 50. Apply as early as possible.
 
Its nice to finally hear a genuine story about someone rather than another "I'm in at Duke and Hopkins - Oh my god what should I do?" Thread.

To longshot - hang in there, and make it happen. I say you should stay away from a master's for next year. I'd view your process as a two year deal. In the fall I'd sign up for all 4 basic science pre-med classes. Maybe try moving to a new school too, a change of environment can do wonders for your study habits. I took my extra science classes at a different school than my undergrad and it helped a TON. Basically I had no friends at the new school - so I just went to class, then went to the library and geeked it up for about 5 hours. It was lonely and depressing - but I got some very good grades. So bust out next year with 8 A's. One for each semester of Gen Chem, Orgo, Bio, and Physics. Then I'd sign up for a master's for the following year - either Gtown SMP, Finch AP program, Eastern Virginia Medical SChool Biomedical Masters, Boston Univ Bioscience Masters, etc. If you dominate those classes - which will be easier with your recent retake of your sciences - you'll be set. Your shady GPA will be a thing of the past - and even if your cum isn't a ton higher, the upward trend should be enough for adcoms to look past it. I'd also speak with the ADCOMs at some lower tier schools and get to know them. Get them thinking about you. You might get some jerk that says "You have no chance kid." But then keep at the guy, email him once or twice a semester with your new grades - anything to stay on their radar screen. good luck, and keep your head up.
 
wow i signed off last night thinking this thread would die out but people keep replying. you guys kick ass!

Colorado, I may be in a slightly different position seeing as I was a science major in college. My science GPA will be harder to raise because of the number of classes I took. However, I do see your point. My dad was suggesting I get into something like physician assisting for the purpose of getting into medicine but I know I wouldnt be satisfied doing that. OF course this isnt to say that nursing or PA are not worthy vocations. I think they are necessary and beneficial for the medical field.

Lizzie, thanks for telling me that. My premed advisor at my former UG was saying I should retake courses. I thought that was the consensus but what the post bacc counselor told you does make sense.

Benzo, I plan on taking those biomed courses somehow. Others have suggested that I do just as you suggested to show that I could handle the med school curriculum. I have to say though, its hard to believe anyone could be in my shoes about now.

TexasGuy41, Howdy. I'm from TX too. Your advice is really on point. I think I'm going to plan my premed studies along the lines of your suggestion. I probably do need to take those prereq classes over again just for my own benefit for the MCAT and advanced courses. I'm curious, though, did you attend any of these masters programs that you mentioned?
 
i'm a guy that got in this year after completing the comeback from a sub-3.0 (significantly) to a slot a fabulous med school beginning in august. i will give you this gem that i heard countless times from doctors and never see on this website: go to a place that you really want to be and make them take you. choose a school that seems like a reasonable fit for you and get to know everyone you can from faculty to nurses to secretaries, etc. all of the other advice here is good; you will need to go take graduate level medically relevant courses (DO NOT repeat basic classes), your mcat will need to prove your ability to think and endure, and you should start volunteering immediately. although this point is one that many would argue, i would also recommend applying as soon as you get mcat scores, even if you are sure you won't get in. some schools look down upon re-applicants, but there are others that like to see a person come back a second time with an improved app. plus, you never know who might throw an interview your way no matter how hopeless it seems. but harkening back the the initial point, there is no way that i can emphasize enough that becoming a person rather than a paper application is the most important thing you can do to impress an adcom. an lor from faculty at a given school means much more than one from someone outside of the program. a secretary commenting to the dean that you seemed very nice or came by the office every week leaves an impression. a nurse that mentions to an attending that you are really helpful whenever you come through as a volunteer can lead to that doc mentioning your name to his or her buddy on the adcom. the medical school selection process is really very arbitrary. people that prove themselves to be capable in person will always have an advantage over those who do so only on paper. the truth of the matter is that desire, endurance, and positivity are the qualities that make for good doctors, and you must understand that adcoms are trying very hard to choose people who posess these qualities. a few places get hung up on scores, but if you prove yourself capable many schools are willing to look past a poor undergrad gpa. if your intentions are good and your heart is set, you can make it. hmmm....one last tidbit is to remember not to be intimidated by all the crap you see posted on this website. not everybody has superhuman numbers. and averages do have deviations. some of them are even big! just set your sights on the goal and go achieve it. word.
 
I love this thread!! 😀

I am in a similar situation with a significantly sub-3.0 UGPA (let's just say that when I told the dean of med school admissions here, her jaw dropped). I don't have much to add to the already good advice everyone else gave, but I just wanted to give some support and tell you not to give up. I'd be happy to lend any suggestions/advice, so feel free to PM me.
 
Longshot -
I just got a waitlist envelope from Pitt. On one level, I am disappointed.

On the other hand, 7 years ago, when I was first conceiving my "impossible dream," I had crappy grades, had just dropped out of grad school, and knew that no one would dare write me a decent LOR.

If I had known then that a school in the top 20 of the US News & WR ranking would want me, even in this provisional manner...

Like all those on this thread have said far more eloquently, motivation and endurance will trump your current shortcomings. And consider DO! I really appreciate their willingness to look past raw numbers. Plus, a lot of DOs are former paramedics🙂 .
 
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If you don't have a 4.0, you can't get in.🙄
 
Maybe you should switch to grass cutting
You've got a snowball's chance in hell

OF COURSE you can't get in, I don't want the likes of you to foul my precious perfection



I have a 5.0 GPA on a 4.0 Scale, a 50 of 45 on the MCAT (I found an error in an organic problem), I work 40 hours a week in a hospital, have published 12 papers on my current research project "Why med-students are so uptight" It deals with the fact that stressing out after the fact increases the amount of free radicals in the blood stream, and also triggers a shut-down mechanism in the brain. The only available current treatment is a dime bag at least once a week, during which time, all med-school related topics are forbidden, this causes the patient to remove the stick from his a$$. If a forbidden topic is discussed, the patient is beaten w/ the stick ..............A follow up study involving "Foreign" parents and career "choice" is being reviewed by NIH for a multimillion dollar grant..
 
Allow me to es'plain.... no eet ees too mush, allow me to sum up!

Varied backgrounds... blah blah blah... upward trends... blah blah blah... get your rear in gear... blah blah blah... do some volunteer... blah blah blah... get published... blah blah blah... excellent LOR's... blah blah blah... statistics are the result of above and below averages... blah blah blah... if you really believe in yourself... blah blah blah... DON'T GIVE UP, EVER.




Oh, and don't touch my violin.
 
Originally posted by c_skyeblu
Maybe you should switch to grass cutting
You've got a snowball's chance in hell

OF COURSE you can't get in, I don't want the likes of you to foul my precious perfection



I have a 5.0 GPA on a 4.0 Scale, a 50 of 45 on the MCAT (I found an error in an organic problem), I work 40 hours a week in a hospital, have published 12 papers on my current research project "Why med-students are so uptight" It deals with the fact that stressing out after the fact increases the amount of free radicals in the blood stream, and also triggers a shut-down mechanism in the brain. The only available current treatment is a dime bag at least once a week, during which time, all med-school related topics are forbidden, this causes the patient to remove the stick from his a$$. If a forbidden topic is discussed, the patient is beaten w/ the stick ..............A follow up study involving "Foreign" parents and career "choice" is being reviewed by NIH for a multimillion dollar grant..

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OMG longshot, you and I are in the same boat.

The problem with me also is that I am very indecisive about my major. I went from a Computer Science major to a Biology Major and now I'm back with Computers,.. thinking of doing Computer Engineering Pre-Med. My GPA have suffered greatly in part due to lack of motivation and no guidance in what I want to do.

I'm looking at maybe a 2.75 gpa right now, in my 4th year in college, yet I still got maybe another 2-3 years anyways because I kept switching majors. I figure I do a Computer major because atleast I know I will have a job if I don't get into med school but I wanted to take a chance at applying to med school anyways so I am continuing to take pre-med courses to satisfy medical school requirements just to take a shot at getting in.

The thing is, I don't know if you felt this way to but... once I saw my GPA so low, I basically said screw it, theres no chance in hell I'll get into medical school so I blew off studying or even trying to do well. I figure I just needed to get my 'C' and just pass the class for the credit and complete my Comp degree. But I kept coming back to wanting to go to medical school. I'm still not sure now because even if I get a 4.0 from now till I graduate, it still would not come close to be enough for Medical school.

It just all seems hopeless, I don't want my efforts to go to waste if I don't get in, yet I want to try anyways or I will never know. Its just a little dilemma I am facing I suppose. But I just want to know that I have a chance so I don't feel like I'm trying for nothing.
 
my grads this term will most likely sink for the following reasons: 1 I hate it here Bible classes are not my thing. 2 I have had med problems all term that are just now being Dxed and treated. 🙂 What is a post-bac? Since I am a theology/ Bible major I need to do it anyway probably right? And Yes I wake up at 03:00 thinking I need to be a doctor! That is why I am tranfering(hopefully next term) finishing a ministry degree. Min classes are so much more my thing than Bible. Also, I will biology minor. So any advice on how to apply with what will probably be a 2.5 GPA in BIble as of the end of this term?
 
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