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Seeing the catamaran thread got me thinking about a hobby I want to pursue after med school. Anyone fly here? (JPP? others?!) On an MD salary what kind of options can you realistically afford for buying vs. renting vs. timesharing or other options? I'd like to fly a single engine Cessna, but I'd love even more to jump into something a little bigger like multi-engine aircraft that can go higher and further, if it's affordable.
 
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Seeing the catamaran thread got me thinking about a hobby I want to pursue after med school. Anyone fly here? (JPP? others?!) On an MD salary what kind of options can you realistically afford for buying vs. renting vs. timesharing or other options? I'd like to fly a single engine Cessna, but I'd love even more to jump into something a little bigger like multi-engine aircraft that can go higher and further, if it's affordable.

I come from a flying family.

My father was an airline pilot who flew the 747 for that last ten years of his career. Mom was a flight attendant.

I have single engine, multi-engine, instrument, high altitude sign off ratings, with about 1500 hours in my log book.

I'll answer your questions by reflecting. Most of my time came during my years in a small Louisiana town. I owned a Piper Cherokee-6...a wonderful single engine airplane. I flew that thing all over the southeast!

What really made me a pilot, tho, were my friends. I had a core group of aviation buddies who were much more experienced than me, who I often flew dead head legs with on hardware I never would've been exposed to, in weather conditions I never would've challenged alone.

Buddy Mark had a Cessna 210..highly versatile, 170 knot single engine. Several hundred hours with Mark and I exchanging the left seat.

Buddy Larry was a corporate pilot who flew other people's airplanes. When he had to go to Dallas or wherever to pick someone up, the owner or maybe the owner's friends, he would call: "Bill, going to Little Rock. WANNA FLY?" Larry "grew me up"as a pilot. He put me in the left seat. Walked me through systems. Eventually I got comfortable with all the aircraft he flew since he was patient, tolerant. He gave me the airplane very similar to how an attending gives an anesthesia resident a case. Yeah, you're scared s h I t less initially but you catch on.

With Larry I flew a Piper Saratoga. Piper Navajo. And finally, The Promised Land...TURBOPROPS!

Larry gave me a little at a time...constantly guiding me. Essentially, Larry provided me an

AVIATION RESIDENCY.

We flew thru weather....working the radar to find weak spots...

Me in the left seat, piloting an aircraft way above my financial means, learning how to fly said aircraft from a GURU.

I logged hundreds of turboprop hours in a Cheyenne 1, a King Air 90, a King Air 200.

Here's my points about flying, dude:

1) Its addicting. It's EXPENSIVE. Yeah, you can own a little airplane on an MD salary. That's fabulous! I found quickly tho that unless there was a purpose to the flight, it was boring... I.e. Going up just to go up isn't where it's at. Going somewhere gives purpose. I flew to New Orleans a lot for a purpose back then in my Cherokee 6. I flew in instrument conditions frequently. It was awesome.

2)one always wants to fly bigger stuff. My friends supplied that for me. I flew hardware all the time I couldn't afford, thanks to them.

3)flying is expensive, even for a small aircraft. You've either gotta be single with no financial obligations or making major jack, or...best scenario...have friends with big airplanes.

That said,

Flying is the bomb man.
 
I learned in 1991-1992, flew Cessna 152s and 172s a bit through college in the mid-90s.

Back then a 152 could be rented for about $35-40/hr including fuel. I think the grand total for my private pilot cert was around $3500. My university had a flying club with similarly cheap rentals. Had a good time for a while, flying once or twice per month ... sometimes going a couple months without flying at all because I was a college student and couldn't afford it.

I had a few minor scares, clearly due to being rusty and out of practice. One flight every month or two is not enough for an amateur to really stay current and safe. I flew into SFO's controlled airspace once because I was disoriented; I rolled onto an active runway once because I was distracted at an unfamiliar airport at night; I ran the tanks closer to empty than I intended once and only figured it out when the fuel truck rolled up at the end of the day and topped it off. You know, the kind of things they print in the accident reports. I decided one day to quit before I killed myself +/- a passenger or two. Last flew in late 1996 I think, would have to check my log book.

I don't know what the cost is these days, except that it's a lot higher than it was. I might get back to it someday, when I can give it the right time and $ commitment, both of which are going to be large.


So all I really have to contribute to this thread is ths: don't half-ass it and be a once/month flier. One of my Marine pilot friends called Bonanzas "split tail doctor killers" ... funny, but not really. Doctors are all smart people who've mastered a difficult profession, typically with a fair bit of disposable income, usually with the attitude that we can do anything and do it well. I bet there are a lot of great doctors out there who moonlight as ****ty pilots rolling the dice and waiting for their number to come up.

Not meant to be a casual hobby IMHO.
 
I can offer an alternative:
Not as expensive, pure flying experience, purpose is in the flight (no destination needed), very safe: GLIDING
Try it out.

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I got my private pilot's license back in 2007. Flew Cessna 150/152s, 172s, and Piper Warriors. I absolutely love aviation. I started working on my instrument rating before having to give it up to start medical school. Haven't flown since I started. It sux... bad. I can't wait to get back into it and get all the ratings. My dream is to own a twin someday.

As a side note, anyone know what it takes to be qualified to do flight physicals for the FAA. Can an anesthesiologist do them? Seems like something I might be interested in doing someday.
 
Hahaha, as usual, you come out with an epic story, Jet. Yeah, I want to get my PPL, IFR multiengine and other ratings so I can go places (eg spur of the moment Vegas trip?), and bring friends along. But even flying around without any real purpose is probably fun, once in awhile. I bought FSX a few years ago before med school (when I actually had free time) and loved flying, and I know the real deal is probably way different, but probably in a good way.
 
I can offer an alternative:
Not as expensive, pure flying experience, purpose is in the flight (no destination needed), very safe: GLIDING
Try it out.

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Gliding is probably fun, but wouldn't serve both purposes of: getting to fly AND getting the freedom to go places further or at least quicker than what you could do by car.
 
I got my private pilot's license back in 2007. Flew Cessna 150/152s, 172s, and Piper Warriors. I absolutely love aviation. I started working on my instrument rating before having to give it up to start medical school. Haven't flown since I started. It sux... bad. I can't wait to get back into it and get all the ratings. My dream is to own a twin someday.

As a side note, anyone know what it takes to be qualified to do flight physicals for the FAA. Can an anesthesiologist do them? Seems like something I might be interested in doing someday.


Become an FAA medical examiner; see Q+A at bottom of:

http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...s_delegations/designee_types/ame/ametraining/

I've been a pilot since 1976, trained at New Orleans Lakefront (NEW). Back then pre-GPS, pre-cell phones, pre-just about everything it was VORTACs, ADFs, etc. Would tune the ADF to WWL-AM radio, 50K watts in New Orleans.
Piper Cherokee was $35/hr wet with instructor, $25/hr wet solo.

I've always felt there are very strong parallels between the foundational psychomotor skills of flying and anesthesia, and also similar personality types.

If you fly in a non-commercial carrier plane please read the fine print of your life insurance policy. You might need a rider to your life insurance policy if you fly your own plane.
 
Become an FAA medical examiner; see Q+A at bottom of:

http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...s_delegations/designee_types/ame/ametraining/

I've been a pilot since 1976, trained at New Orleans Lakefront (NEW). Back then pre-GPS, pre-cell phones, pre-just about everything it was VORTACs, ADFs, etc. Would tune the ADF to WWL-AM radio, 50K watts in New Orleans.
Piper Cherokee was $35/hr wet with instructor, $25/hr wet solo.

I've always felt there are very strong parallels between the foundational psychomotor skills of flying and anesthesia, and also similar personality types.

If you fly in a non-commercial carrier plane please read the fine print of your life insurance policy. You might need a rider to your life insurance policy if you fly your own plane.



Not bad... a medical license, proper equipment, and a 4.5 day FAA training course. Seems like it would be a neat side gig.
 
I've been a pilot since 1976, trained at New Orleans Lakefront (NEW). Back then pre-GPS, pre-cell phones, pre-just about everything it was VORTACs, ADFs, etc. Would tune the ADF to WWL-AM radio, 50K watts in New Orleans. Piper Cherokee was $35/hr wet with instructor, $25/hr wet solo..

I've read medical charts that were easier to understand than all that GREEK!!! 😀

Sounds fun tho!!! It was ALWAYS my dream to jumpseat in a COMMERCIAL AIRLINER for takeoff or landing. Then 9/11 happened and that dream ended for good.
I'm still working on the rear seat of an F-18 DREAM...

D712
 
I've read medical charts that were easier to understand than all that GREEK!!! 😀

Sounds fun tho!!! It was ALWAYS my dream to jumpseat in a COMMERCIAL AIRLINER for takeoff or landing. Then 9/11 happened and that dream ended for good.
I'm still working on the rear seat of an F-18 DREAM...

D712

I hear the F-18 dream! Actually, mine is an F-16.

A ride in a fighter is#1 on my bucket list, even if I have to pay for it.

My first career aspiration was to be a fighter pilot.

Started out my college career in ROTC at a detachment that sent almost 100% of it's cadets interested in being a pilot to pilot training. Had a 100% tuition paid for and a nice monthly stipend. BUT... I had to see about a girl. (That was a Good Will Hunting reference for those unfortunate souls who have not seen it) That girl is now my wife of 5 years, with whom I have two boys, and I decided that I am not an Officer at heart.

So... I am stuck having to pay for this ride! And I will.
 
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Gliding is probably fun, but wouldn't serve both purposes of: getting to fly AND getting the freedom to go places further or at least quicker than what you could do by car.

Some models have an propeller that's pops out of the nose that you can use to take off solo and cruise with a respectable autonomy.
 
I hear the F-18 dream! Actually, mine is an F-16.

A ride in a fighter is#1 on my bucket list, even if I have to pay for it.

My first career aspiration was to be a fighter pilot.

Started out my college career in ROTC at a detachment that sent almost 100% of it's cadets interested in being a pilot to pilot training. Had a 100% tuition paid for and a nice monthly stipend. BUT... I had to see about a girl. (That was a Good Will Hunting reference for those unfortunate souls who have not seen it) That girl is now my wife of 5 years, with whom I have two boys, and I decided that I am not an Officer at heart.

So... I am stuck having to pay for this ride! And I will.

Nice story, I actually am waiting to hear about a ride from someone who trains pilots in F-18s etc and does contract work for Gov't. It's also top of my bucket list man!!!! I will hurl with style. :barf:
 
Most of my time came during my years in a small Louisiana town. I owned a Piper Cherokee-6...a wonderful single engine airplane. I flew that thing all over the southeast!


Flying is the bomb man.


Use to fly Sixes and Archers all over SE Alaska on dead head legs with my pilot buddies catching some ZZZ's in the left seat. Never did get to left seat it myself since I didn't have a license.

Sometimes we would go scout weather on the glaciers. If the owner of the company only knew about some of our antics up there...

I am sure that racing down glacial valleys in ground effect is not on the approved list of uses of company planes.


We also had a Helio Courier. I never had the opportunity to take the stick, but it was a lot of fun to play in.


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I'm working on getting myself a ride ... 'course being active duty at a jet base works in my favor a little bit. :xf:

What do you have to do to make it happen?

AWWWWW, PGG, now THAT's the way to do it! Take pics or it didn't happen. And please post em. My sister was given an opp to take controls of a C-130 over Iraq when she was on duty there during First Wave. But I have the NEED FOR SPEED...!!! A FIGHTER JET!
 
AWWWWW, PGG, now THAT's the way to do it! Take pics or it didn't happen. And please post em. My sister was given an opp to take controls of a C-130 over Iraq when she was on duty there during First Wave. But I have the NEED FOR SPEED...!!! A FIGHTER JET!

I'll take pics ...

Another doc here got himself a ride before he left active duty last year so I know it's possible. I think he had to go through a bit of orientation/training including a trip through the dunk tank. I know a couple of flight surgeons, going to try that angle.

If I never see the inside of another C130 as long as I live that'll be OK. Flying one would be cool, but the seats in the back kinda suck.


I've thought the Navy owed 😉 me a ride ever since I got swindled out of a 2nd seat Cobra ridealong during a live fire training exercise in Afghanistan. Someone reasonably opined that those ridealongs should go to deserving junior enlisted guys and I couldn't really argue with that, at least not without looking like too much of a douche, so I stepped aside.

Picture the scene ... beautiful Afghan sunset (all that dust has ONE benefit) ... gunship flies overhead and just unloads everything on some innocent rusted out hulk of Soviet-era wreckage down the range ... and I'm watching it from the ground. 🙁 So sad.

But I'm going to do my best to not leave this base without being upside down in a jet at least once. :xf: :xf:
 
Picture the scene ... beautiful Afghan sunset (all that dust has ONE benefit) ... gunship flies overhead and just unloads everything on some innocent rusted out hulk of Soviet-era wreckage down the range

Taxes well spent right there 😉
 
Respect to all the real pilots above. I agree with all thats been said. Flight training takes time, money, and effort that is hard to come by even after residency. I imagine tho, that with enough passion, that you could make a pretty good go of it, but i'm certain that it will cost much more than you think.

My personal passion for flying died out in 1992 after 2 years of training at a Part 135 school in Pasa(get-down)dena Tx at LaPorte Airfield. A shout-out to Cliff Hyde Flying Service (which I'm pretty sure has since moved over to Ellington).

Ran thru my Single, Comm, Instr, Multi ratings and was working on my Flight Instr when I realized that it wasn't for me. Haven't been in a cockpit since.

I do like the gliding idea, I always just liked looking out the window.
 
Seeing the catamaran thread got me thinking about a hobby I want to pursue after med school. Anyone fly here? (JPP? others?!) On an MD salary what kind of options can you realistically afford for buying vs. renting vs. timesharing or other options? I'd like to fly a single engine Cessna, but I'd love even more to jump into something a little bigger like multi-engine aircraft that can go higher and further, if it's affordable.


I wanted to fly during med school but it just wasn't in the budget. After FP residency my wife actually encouraged me to stop talking about it and take some flying lessons. After that, I flew in a club and then purchased a 1/3 share in a Mooney. It was a fun airplane for trips under 4 hours and it was great for a quick get-away alone or Disney with the kids. If you want something fast and not too expensive then look at a Mooney after you have about 100 hours and IFR certification.

Renting is a great way to start. If you get into it, then it's worth looking into a flying club or a small partnership. It's hard to justify buying an airplane unless you are going to fly around 100 hours per year. The annual and the fixed expenses are high, even if the initial purchase isn't too bad. The insurance can be high on a twin and your expenses can more than double. A single engine overhaul can be $25,000-$35,000 and TBO is around 2,000 hours. A twin would cost much more. Sharing the expenses can make it much more enjoyable if you have partners you can trust. AOPA has some resources about forming or joining a partnership or flying club when you are ready.

I saw a comment about becoming an Aviation Medical Examiner for the FAA. I was a Senior AME before I returned to residency to train in Anesthesiology. I don't recommend applying to be an AME unless you have an office.
 
My pre-med undergrad was actually Professional Aviation at Louisiana Tech University (yay for non-tradtional majors). I also did a lot of flying to and from New Orleans, though I usually landed at MSY as it was closer to my parents' house. I have my Commercial, multi, instrument. I'm in residency now and miss flying dearly, but aviation does remind me a LOT of flying, in its own way. I am jealous of the much more experienced pilots above (I hope to one day afford a turbo-prop and/or self-launching glider). One option that may be available soon is the all-electric 2-seater trainer. It's not a good one for cross country, but for short, fun flights it should be good. I also wonder if I've met Jet, pgg, and periopdoc along the way, as aviation is a surprisingly small community.
 
My pre-med undergrad was actually Professional Aviation at Louisiana Tech University (yay for non-tradtional majors). I also did a lot of flying to and from New Orleans, though I usually landed at MSY as it was closer to my parents' house. I have my Commercial, multi, instrument. I'm in residency now and miss flying dearly, but aviation does remind me a LOT of flying, in its own way. I am jealous of the much more experienced pilots above (I hope to one day afford a turbo-prop and/or self-launching glider). One option that may be available soon is the all-electric 2-seater trainer. It's not a good one for cross country, but for short, fun flights it should be good. I also wonder if I've met Jet, pgg, and periopdoc along the way, as aviation is a surprisingly small community.

lol, reminds me of flying too. 😉
 
This is a shot (not mine) from MIA yesterday capturing the first landing at MIA of the world's largest super heavy jetliner, Airbus 380. Lufthansa is starting daily service.

I took my two boys, both of whom are into airplanes. It was great, about 500 people showed at our vantage point, about 100 yards down the runway, just along perimeter fence. That THING IS HUGE (yeah, yeah, i know...) 😱

I can vouch for Homeland Security doing a very good job keeping us where they wanted us.

Some stats on this plane: it's about 280 feet long from what I understand. Not much shorter than a football field! It's 80 feet tall (not sure if that's tip of tail, or top of fuselage). It weighs 1.3 million pounds. Can carry 800+ people when configured just for economy. Look at that Jeep in the foreground, puts it into scale. Now, imagine that Jeep not being WAYYYY in front of the plane to give a true scale... My 7 year old, "That's not that big dad..."

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D712
 
Somewhat rarer but just as impressive a the A380. I saw it parked on the ramp in Houston.
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I believe I've also seen that plane carry the space shuttle... Cool
 
So, I knew the space shuttle was carried on this modified 747... as in this photo...

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But I guess I confused this shot of what appears, from above, glancing quickly, originally looked like same 747 carrying US shuttle.

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But, alas, 6 engines, as Apollyon mentioned, it's the Antonov carrying what looks like the shuttle, but is, the Buran, a very dated shuttle that I had no idea existed...? Time for Wiki...

And the interweb has told me that after extensive funding and creation the USS built the Buran to compete with the US Shuttle, and after flights and mock ups and a successful unmanned launch and landing, the Buran program was closed after USSR collapse. The Buran was placed in a building that was not funded for maintenance, and after a decade without maintenance, snow and winds collapsed the building's roof. Leaving the USSR's only space worthy orbiter in this shape... (you can make out heat tiles and windows in this closeup)...

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D712
 
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A lot of airplane talk on this pilot thread...

Umm.... any chopper pilots? That would prolly be just as much fun... right?

I have some vids from last winter that includes some footage inside a chopper.

Navigating mountain tops with frequent drops and pickups is crazy and amazing all at the same time. :horns:

Pretty sweet hobby IMHO. I'll see if I can pull up the vid via youtube.


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Ok.. I hope this works.

At around 1:50min. The chopper takes a nice 120 degree turn on a dime, proceeding to land on a mountain peak....

These guys are awesome avians. 👍

The rest of the vid is just a couple kids having fun....

We don't take life too seriously. 😀

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhUDNAV5axc

But seriously, flying a chopper seems like hella fun!!
 
Ok.. I hope this works.

At around 1:50min. The chopper takes a nice 120 degree turn on a dime, proceeding to land on a mountain peak....

These guys are awesome avians. 👍

The rest of the vid is just a couple kids having fun....

We don't take life too seriously. 😀

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhUDNAV5axc

But seriously, flying a chopper seems like hella fun!!

Sweet video! Shouldn't that last line be "heli fun", instead of "hella fun"?

*GROAN*
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Sweet video! Shouldn't that last line be "heli fun", instead of "hella fun"?

*GROAN*
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Agreed. "Heli Fun!" :laugh:

You are in KC aren't you?

My buddy's band is playing at the "CZAR BAR" this friday night. They are a super sweet band if you like "TOOL".

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You are in KC aren't you?

My buddy's band is playing at the "CZAR BAR" this friday night. They are a super sweet band if you like "TOOL".
Very cool. I'd love to check them out (what are their names?)... but we are going to have some family in town that night (and Saturday I'm already leaving them to do some solo sailing). PLUS.... I'd have to find a place for these guys, which really puts a cramp into my nightlife! :laugh:
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Do they play in KC often? I miss being involved in the local music scene. (which I have been ever since I left Lawrence)
 
Youza daddy! 👍

I don't live in KC anymore, but that city has some great blues and Jazz scenes... PM me if you need any info on lounges/clubs/bars that have exceptional blues and jazz. I'm sure you know that KC's blues and jazz goes way back.

Anywho... I don't want to hijack this thread, but my buddies band is called:

LIVELOCK

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I can't find any links to their newer albums... but here is their first:

http://www.myspace.com/livelock
 
Anywho... I don't want to hijack this thread...

Good point. You have mail. 😎

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Getting back on track with the original thread, I've been doing some chopper flying recently. Here is what I own currently:

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After I get this down, I'm planning on upgrading to this:

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Which can also do 3d flight:

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Good point. You have mail. 😎

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Getting back on track with the original thread, I've been doing some chopper flying recently. Here is what I own currently:

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After I get this down, I'm planning on upgrading to this:

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Which can also do 3d flight:

[YOUTUBE]KIon9WJYJ_E[/YOUTUBE]


I like that the choppers are named BLADE. Do they come with subscriptions to A&A or Anesthesiology? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Just kidding BLADE! You da man.

D712
 
I got my training in the military and served as an instructor. About 20 years ago, I bought several fairly high-performance private airplanes and got a fair amount of utility from them. Costs? I had a tee shirt that said: "There's money in general avation..and on the reverse: "I know, I put it there". It's an expensive hobby. I would suggest joining a club or similar before seriously considering private flying as anything other than an expensive hobby.
 
I got my training in the military and served as an instructor. About 20 years ago, I bought several fairly high-performance private airplanes and got a fair amount of utility from them. Costs? I had a tee shirt that said: "There's money in general avation..and on the reverse: "I know, I put it there". It's an expensive hobby. I would suggest joining a club or similar before seriously considering private flying as anything other than an expensive hobby.


You can't just tell us you had several high-performance airplanes without telling us what they were!

In which airplane/s did you instruct?
 
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