Any word from Michigan?

[JHUNBC]

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I called admissions a few days ago and all they could tell me was that they won't know any waitlist information for "a while".

Anyone have anyting more specific?

 

[attaboybambeeks]

I called admissions a few days ago and all they could tell me was that they won't know any waitlist information for "a while".

Anyone have anyting more specific?

i also called...same reply

 

[JHUNBC]

bump.

 

[mtDNA]

Does anyone know how U of M notifies people? Do they call, or send an email, or letter only?

 

[Boromir]

Hey, just found this site and registered 😀

Do y'all think that there is going to be U-M waitlist movement this year? I know that they overaccepted last year and were going to accept fewer this year so that they could dip into the waitlist. Also, does anyone know when U-M will start notifying individuals on the waitlist? I tried calling the admissions office but couldn't really get an adequate response. It seems that many other schools (i.e. Duke, Wash U) have already notified quite a few people. I don't really understand the delay for U-M. Any help would be appreciated!

 

[sheepunite]

the lady i spoke with said that no waitlist movement was expected until june.

 

[Boromir]

So does that mean that the class is essentially full? So lets say 15 out of the 30 choose to come to U-M, then there will be 168 deposits for 170 spots. Is there is still a substantial number of these who are holding on to other schools (such as Hopkins, Harvard...)? If so, how many do you think will come off the waitlist eventually? Sorry for all the questions, just sorta worried. Thanks a lot!

 

[SailCrazy]

It seems that many other schools (i.e. Duke, Wash U) have already notified quite a few people. I don't really understand the delay for U-M. Any help would be appreciated!

Two reasons that I know of for the delay. One, the $200 deposit only needed to be postmarked by the 15th, so they have to wait for snailmail. Two, I know that they granted extensions of the notification deadline for a few applicants who are currently out of the country.

I'm guessing that we'll end up adding a few students off the waitlist, but not many.

 

[SailCrazy]

Yeah you have a good grasp of the situation. But probably less than 50% of the 30 will choose U-M since they have had like 2 months to send in their deposit.

I think you're right on this one. That would leave room for at least some limited waitlist movement.

 

[Elastase]

Yeah you have a good grasp of the situation. But probably less than 50% of the 30 will choose U-M since they have had like 2 months to send in their deposit.

That and ppl that are currently holding a spot can be pull off of other waitlists (which might be thier top choice compared to UMich)...causing more spots to be freed up...I'd imagine that this doesn't happen that frequently though...

 

[itnstalln]

I'm guessing that we'll end up adding a few students off the waitlist, but not many.

Thats what I'm hoping for dissection buddy! 😀

 

[maria219]

I think you're right on this one. That would leave room for at least some limited waitlist movement.

so discouraging... 🙁
good luck to all.

 

[JHUNBC]

Not to get too many hopes up, but I met a girl tonight who is a student at Hopkins who said she has *multiple* friends who have acceptances at Umich but haven't yet paid their deposits. Better yet, they're no longer planning on going to Umich. Here's hoping that the majority of those 30 unaccounted students are similarly going elsewhere.

 

[SailCrazy]

Thats what I'm hoping for dissection buddy! 😀

Yeah. As you know, I've shared my opinions with Robert as to who should be #1 off the waitlist! 👍

 

[Boromir]

bump

 

[mtDNA]

Im also bumping this. Definitely interested in seeing when people start receiving offers. Is there any way to find out what rank we are on the list? my status page just tells me what tier I am.

 

[SailCrazy]

Im also bumping this. Definitely interested in seeing when people start receiving offers. Is there any way to find out what rank we are on the list? my status page just tells me what tier I am.

Michigan's waitlist isn't ranked, it is just split into tiers. (And they can take someone off a lower tier before they "empty" the upper tier if they choose to do so.)

To a certain extent who comes off the waitlist depends on who decides not to accept their admissions offers. They don't necessarily try to do an exact exchange but, for example, MTdna you should generally be hoping that many in-state white males decide not to accept. If a bunch of OOS minority females decide to go elsewhere, then they'll likely accept a a similar demographic off the waitlist...

I do know that they said they're pretty thin on in-state offers at this point, so if any/many in-staters don't accept, some Michiganders on the waitlist are going to be happy.

Good Luck!

 

[bagonnia]

Michigan's waitlist isn't ranked, it is just split into tiers. (And they can take someone off a lower tier before they "empty" the upper tier if they choose to do so.)

To a certain extent who comes off the waitlist depends on who decides not to accept their admissions offers. They don't necessarily try to do an exact exchange but, for example, MTdna you should generally be hoping that many in-state white males decide not to accept. If a bunch of OOS minority females decide to go elsewhere, then they'll likely accept a a similar demographic off the waitlist...

I do know that they said they're pretty thin on in-state offers at this point, so if any/many in-staters don't accept, some Michiganders on the waitlist are going to be happy.

Good Luck!

I heard the same thing. I wonder how 1:1 the exchanges are for. Also, I wonder where those 20 students who have yet to accept are from. Oh the anticipation. I feel like many of them are not Michigan residents. But I will still keep hoping!

 

[SailCrazy]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the latest Michigan update is 166 deposits paid (for the class of 170) with ~14 people still yet to report. 🙁 It looks like the class will be full or slightly overbooked initially, but even if this is the case there still could be a few spots that open up over the summer.

 

[kupono3]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the latest Michigan update is 166 deposits paid (for the class of 170) with ~14 people still yet to report. 🙁 It looks like the class will be full or slightly overbooked initially, but even if this is the case there still could be a few spots that open up over the summer.

that's true... isn't it a little early for waitlist movement at most schools?

 

[JHUNBC]

This may sound a bit crazy, but I've heard of multiple people who have already paid deposits at Umich but for some reason or another are not planning on attending. How will the adcom find out about these students? Is this an example of why people get called the week of orientation--these students who were thought to be attending Umich never show up?

I'm hoping some of the current med students can shine some light on this. Are there any additional "check points" throughout the summer during which accepted students must still confirm that they are indeed attending?

 

[Modanq]

This may sound a bit crazy, but I've heard of multiple people who have already paid deposits at Umich but for some reason or another are not planning on attending. How will the adcom find out about these students? Is this an example of why people get called the week of orientation--these students who were thought to be attending Umich never show up?

I'm hoping some of the current med students can shine some light on this. Are there any additional "check points" throughout the summer during which accepted students must still confirm that they are indeed attending?

Don't worry about this. Med schools have access to where a student's has currently accepted an offer. AMCAS keeps track of this and after May 15th it is recommended that applicants hold only one spot. Assuming that the accepted UMich students you are talking about are accepting a position at another medical school, UMich can see that they are holding multiple acceptances, one at UMich and one at another school. This includes students accepting an offer off a waitlist. It is the responsibility of the applicant to inform the first school that they are withdrawing their offer. After June 15th applicants holding more than one spot may be held responsible for their actions. I'm sure that this is how it works, can anyone back me up?

 

[Boromir]

Bump

 

[SailCrazy]

that's true... isn't it a little early for waitlist movement at most schools?

It is a little early for significant movement at most schools, but I think the folks waiting to hear from Michigan were hopeful that the ~40 fewer acceptances initially offered this year might mean that there were a number of spots that remained open as we hit the May 15 "deadline."

 

[SailCrazy]

This may sound a bit crazy, but I've heard of multiple people who have already paid deposits at Umich but for some reason or another are not planning on attending. How will the adcom find out about these students? Is this an example of why people get called the week of orientation--these students who were thought to be attending Umich never show up

No, this is not a reason that people get called the week of orientation.

I believe that as of March 15 (and definitely by now) schools who have accepted an applicant can see where else those applicants are holding offers. If an applicant has paid their deposit at Michigan but is still holding another acceptance Michigan can see that, and after May 15 would contact the applicant to find out what was going on. They can (and have) granted extensions to the May 15 "deadline" to some students for a variety of reasons.

 

[JHUNBC]

It is a little early for significant movement at most schools, but I think the folks waiting to hear from Michigan were hopeful that the ~40 fewer acceptances initially offered this year might mean that there were a number of spots that remained open as we hit the May 15 "deadline."

I guess I'm a little confused as to why the significant movement is yet to come. I'd think that the majority of the applicants dropping from their respective schools would occur prior to the May 15th "deadline". I realize that people do (and will) drop within the next few weeks, but I'd think they would be few and far between as compared to those dropping earlier.

Why do you expect so many people will still drop?

 

[ChocolateKiss]

I guess I'm a little confused as to why the significant movement is yet to come. I'd think that the majority of the applicants dropping from their respective schools would occur prior to the May 15th "deadline". I realize that people do (and will) drop within the next few weeks, but I'd think they would be few and far between as compared to those dropping earlier.

Why do you expect so many people will still drop?

At many top schools, there has been a ton of waitlist movement just prior to and right after May 15. People have 2 weeks (generally) to decide if they want to take this new acceptance or stick with the old one. Many who were holding a U Mich acceptance may have just gotten into Penn/Yale/WashU or another top program and some of these people will likely decide to drop U Mich within a week or two. After U Mich processes these drops, the ad com will probably have to meet to decide who to accept off the waitlist, and then you'll see some movement. I'd guess this movement would be throughout the month of June.

 

[SailCrazy]

I guess I'm a little confused as to why the significant movement is yet to come. I'd think that the majority of the applicants dropping from their respective schools would occur prior to the May 15th "deadline". I realize that people do (and will) drop within the next few weeks, but I'd think they would be few and far between as compared to those dropping earlier.

Why do you expect so many people will still drop?

I'm not expecting any significant movement at Michigan, and I agree with JHUNBC about the time granted for people to make their decisions and the time then required for the adcom to make their decision on who to accept.

 

[JHUNBC]

I'm not expecting any significant movement at Michigan, and I agree with JHUNBC about the time granted for people to make their decisions and the time then required for the adcom to make their decision on who to accept.

SailCrazy, are you a current or matriculating student at UMich? I'm just curious how you have so much Umich info.

 

[JHUNBC]

he's c/o 2010, check the umich thread for more info

Thanks for the info.

I'm too scared to venture into that thread . I think I'll jinx myself.

 

[SailCrazy]

SailCrazy, are you a current or matriculating student at UMich? I'm just curious how you have so much Umich info.

he's c/o 2010, check the umich thread for more info

Yep. I feel very fortunate to be heading to Ann Arbor in August. (I currently have that info in my signature, but for some reasons it hasn't been showing up in a lot of my posts lately.)

I've picked up a bunch of admission tidbits from other people here on SDN, and also via contact with the admissions office. I happed to be in Ann Arbor for a med school tour with my school's premed club near the end of the semester and learned a lot about the details of the process then. I've had other reasons to be in contact with the admissions office over the last few weeks, so I asked for the latest admissions update as a part of that communication.

Good Luck!

 

[RollingStone]

I actually just joined the forum today but have been reading this thread for a while (I'm a UM undergrad, currently upper-tier waitlisted). I got a personalized email from one of the Admissions officers today saying that there hasn't been any waistlist movement, but they were wondering if I was still interested in coming to Michigan if a spot opened up. Did anyone else get an email similar to this? I'm wondering if they're actually anticipating movement or just trying to trim their waitlist as much as possible...

 

[attaboybambeeks]

I actually just joined the forum today but have been reading this thread for a while (I'm a UM undergrad, currently upper-tier waitlisted). I got a personalized email from one of the Admissions officers today saying that there hasn't been any waistlist movement, but they were wondering if I was still interested in coming to Michigan if a spot opened up. Did anyone else get an email similar to this? I'm wondering if they're actually anticipating movement or just trying to trim their waitlist as much as possible...

I'm upper tier waitlist. Did not receive such an email. I'd take it as a really good sign. By asking before they actually send an offer, they are 'yield protecting'. i.e., if you were to reply that you were no longer interested, they would not send the offer of admissions (which they plan on sending). This protects their yield as far as # of offers in relation to # of matriculants.
i may be wrong, but im pretty confident that you've got good news on the horizon.

 

[itnstalln]

I'm upper tier waitlist. Did not receive such an email. I'd take it as a really good sign. By asking before they actually send an offer, they are 'yield protecting'. i.e., if you were to reply that you were no longer interested, they would not send the offer of admissions (which they plan on sending). This protects their yield as far as # of offers in relation to # of matriculants.
i may be wrong, but im pretty confident that you've got good news on the horizon.

Uppertier waitlist here, I also did not receive an email. To me it sounds like like they may be trimming the waitlist down to a reasonable number.

 

[JHUNBC]

Uppertier waitlist here, I also did not receive an email. To me it sounds like like they may be trimming the waitlist down to a reasonable number.

I'm upper tier as well. I also have not received a similar email. Though, since interviewing I have sent in 2 letters of intent, so I'm pretty sure they know I'm still interested.

 

[RollingStone]

Well I guess time will tell. When I walked by the office this morning, the sheet of paper taped up on the wall (which I think shows number of accepted students who haven't withdrawn?) was down to 176.

 

[JHUNBC]

Well I guess time will tell. When I walked by the office this morning, the sheet of paper taped up on the wall (which I think shows number of accepted students who haven't withdrawn?) was down to 176.

...or up to 176. Word had it last week that they had overaccepted and were waiting for students to send in their deposits. At this point, we're all hoping that those students who haven't given them the official "I'm coming to Umich", aren't going to Umich.

 

[maria219]

...or up to 176. Word had it last week that they had overaccepted and were waiting for students to send in their deposits. At this point, we're all hoping that those students who haven't given them the official "I'm coming to Umich", aren't going to Umich.

all these numbers are so confusing....does the 176 include ppl they haven't heard from?? Is that why they are anticipating waitlist movement?

 

[attaboybambeeks]

all these numbers are so confusing....does the 176 include ppl they haven't heard from?? Is that why they are anticipating waitlist movement?

The Mich class is 170 right? So at the moment, its over booked, though i'm sure they're expecting some people to drop...

 

[SailCrazy]

...or up to 176. Word had it last week that they had overaccepted and were waiting for students to send in their deposits. At this point, we're all hoping that those students who haven't given them the official "I'm coming to Umich", aren't going to Umich.

No, they're working their way down. They overaccept every year, and then work down as people either send in their deposit or head to another school. They did accept ~40 fewer students this year than last.

Also, this past week and in coming weeks people who have already sent in their deposits will get offers off of waitlists at other schools, or receive additional scholarship offers from other schools, and may drop their spot in the class.

 

[SailCrazy]

I'm upper tier waitlist. Did not receive such an email. I'd take it as a really good sign. By asking before they actually send an offer, they are 'yield protecting'. i.e., if you were to reply that you were no longer interested, they would not send the offer of admissions (which they plan on sending). This protects their yield as far as # of offers in relation to # of matriculants.
i may be wrong, but im pretty confident that you've got good news on the horizon.

Are you in-state or OOS?

 

[RollingStone]

In state, UM undergrad

 

[JHUNBC]

They did accept ~40 fewer students this year than last.

That is true--however, last year they OVERaccepted (with a capital OVER-), so much so that they actually provided a stipend to a large chunk of students to defer for a year. Even after doing so, their class was 7 students larger than they normally have.

Thus, these remaining studenets are going to be M1's this year. This in turn lowers the number of open seats for applicants like me who have applied during the 2005-2006 cycle.

 

[SailCrazy]

That is true--however, last year they OVERaccepted (with a capital OVER-), so much so that they actually provided a stipend to a large chunk of students to defer for a year. Even after doing so, their class was 7 students larger than they normally have.

Thus, these remaining studenets are going to be M1's this year. This in turn lowers the number of open seats for applicants like me who have applied during the 2005-2006 cycle.

Yes, I'm aware of all of that. They always overaccept. Much of the problem last year stemmed from the improving second look weekend (more effective in recruiting students) and the announcement that 2nd year would also be pass/fail. Obviously the admissions office knows how many students from last year will be a part of this year's class, and they felt that the 40 fewer acceptances would avoid a situation where the class ends up "overbooked" again.

I'm not saying that I expect a lot of waitlist movement, but I have faith in the admission team's ability to reduce the initial acceptances by an appropriate number.

 

[akaz]

Yes, I'm aware of all of that. They always overaccept. Much of the problem last year stemmed from the improving second look weekend (more effective in recruiting students) and the announcement that 2nd year would also be pass/fail. Obviously the admissions office knows how many students from last year will be a part of this year's class, and they felt that the 40 fewer acceptances would avoid a situation where the class ends up "overbooked" again.

I'm not saying that I expect a lot of waitlist movement, but I have faith in the admission team's ability to reduce the initial acceptances by an appropriate number.

I think it is a rumor. I heard this same story and the number is always 40 about AECOM, Unof Mich, UCSF, and Columbia.

 

[JHUNBC]

I think it is a rumor. I heard this same story and the number is always 40 about AECOM, Unof Mich, UCSF, and Columbia.

I'm pretty sure it's true about Umich, I heard it from the Director of Adimssions himself.

 

[JHUNBC]

Did anyone else get that waitlist email today?

 

[SailCrazy]

I think it is a rumor. I heard this same story and the number is always 40 about AECOM, Unof Mich, UCSF, and Columbia.

I heard that directly from Robert Ruiz.

 

[attaboybambeeks]

Did anyone else get that waitlist email today?

What wait list email!?!
elaborate please.

 

[Bones2008]

hey guys. wanted to pass on the recent word I heard from some classmates of mine who work for admissions. this year, it seems that once again U of M won't be able to take more than a few people off the waitlist, if any. while things could certainly change, and in no way do I intend to speak for the admissions office, I thought you all would appreciate an honest appraisal of the current situation. best of luck to you, all the same.