Anybody have experience with getting a job with only Intern Year and License

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So basically, I couldn't get a moonlighting job with a license and intern year completed?
 
twospadz said:
So basically, I couldn't get a moonlighting job with a license and intern year completed?
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Moonlighting doing what? In many states you would be eligible for a full license (largely assuming you are a US MD grad), but most hospitals aren’t going to hire someone without more training than internship. Even for locums work as a hospitalitist or EM, board eligibility or certification are almost certainly prerequisites. I’m board eligible in Anesthesilogy but I moonlight at a semi-rural ED on the weekends during fellowship. The hospital only allows those that have completed at least through a PGY-3 year to be considered, and even then it needs to be in at least a tangentially-related field (so no PM&R, Derm, etc).

The only option I can think of off the top of my head that is somewhat “mainstream” would be urgent care work. Even then, though, they might require BE/BC as a minimum. There are other things like insurance work that are off the beaten path, but the opportunities are few and the pay likely not great comparatively.
 
Thanks AdmiralChz. I appreciate the answer. However, Im much more far along in my search mainly because I've learned to not trust "advice" from others in the medical community since it can be at times unreliable. Its sad how some people in this forum take this as a joke. Ive found some jobs for people with only a medical license and internship. Below are various links that are examples of jobs doctors can pursue with internship and a license. I was hoping to learn something I didn't know already. If anyone has anything to contribute, I appreciate it.

Telemedicine:
Medical Doctor - Telemedicine job - REE Medical - Salem, OR
https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/telepsychiatry-positions-for-residents-fellows-and-attendings.1267075/

Urgent Care:
Urgent Care Jobs, Employment in West Virginia | Indeed.com

Insurance Physicals
Physician Needed - 1 Saturday a month job - Olympus Health - Las Cruces, NM

Prison Medicine
Prison Medical Jobs, Employment | Indeed.com
Prison Medical Jobs, Employment | Indeed.com

Medical Officer in Indian Health services
Medical Officer (FP/IM)
 
I'm trying to get a PGY-2 spot out of match spot in psychiatry. I am just planning just in case I have to wait a year. And I think I would be ok if I did most of the things I had above. For most jobs, you will have another physician supervise or be with you. I don't understand how if Nurses and PAs can do it with less training, why residents with education and training can not do so also. And to reiterate, some of these moonlighting gigs would have you also being supervised, not just practicing on your own.
 
twospadz said:
I'm trying to get a PGY-2 spot out of match spot in psychiatry. I am just planning just in case I have to wait a year. And I think I would be ok if I did most of the things I had above. For most jobs, you will have another physician supervise or be with you. I don't understand how if Nurses and PAs can do it with less training, why residents with education and training can not do so also. And to reiterate, some of these moonlighting gigs would have you also being supervised, not just practicing on your own.
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You don't know what you don't know. When you moonlight or do these other jobs you aren't likely to have much backup.
 
twospadz said:
Thanks AdmiralChz. I appreciate the answer. However, Im much more far along in my search mainly because I've learned to not trust "advice" from others in the medical community since it can be at times unreliable. Its sad how some people in this forum take this as a joke. Ive found some jobs for people with only a medical license and internship. Below are various links that are examples of jobs doctors can pursue with internship and a license. I was hoping to learn something I didn't know already. If anyone has anything to contribute, I appreciate it.

Telemedicine:
Medical Doctor - Telemedicine job - REE Medical - Salem, OR
https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/telepsychiatry-positions-for-residents-fellows-and-attendings.1267075/

Urgent Care:
Urgent Care Jobs, Employment in West Virginia | Indeed.com

Insurance Physicals
Physician Needed - 1 Saturday a month job - Olympus Health - Las Cruces, NM

Prison Medicine
Prison Medical Jobs, Employment | Indeed.com
Prison Medical Jobs, Employment | Indeed.com

Medical Officer in Indian Health services
Medical Officer (FP/IM)
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If you don’t trust us on SDN to be truthful then why even ask at all? No one is forcing you to post here.

This is an interesting list but most (Indian medical officer) are for those with more training or (insurance physicals) only 1 weekend day a month. That won’t pay the bills.

I wouldn’t compare other providers either like NP/PAs, that’s why most physicians believe they should always be supervised by MDs given our rigorous training. I am unclear why you so readily want to skip out on that training, but it sounds like you’ve made up your mind?
 
AdmiralChz said:
If you don’t trust us on SDN to be truthful then why even ask at all? No one is forcing you to post here.

This is an interesting list but most (Indian medical officer) are for those with more training or (insurance physicals) only 1 weekend day a month. That won’t pay the bills.

I wouldn’t compare other providers either like NP/PAs, that’s why most physicians believe they should always be supervised by MDs given our rigorous training. I am unclear why you so readily want to skip out on that training, but it sounds like you’ve made up your mind?
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And trying only for a pgy2 year instead of a pgy1 year as well is really limiting. It may turn into sitting out a year when he could have gone though as an intern again. He'll still finish at the same time with that path...
 
AdmiralChz said:
If you don’t trust us on SDN to be truthful then why even ask at all? No one is forcing you to post here.

This is an interesting list but most (Indian medical officer) are for those with more training or (insurance physicals) only 1 weekend day a month. That won’t pay the bills.
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Exactly.

Keep in mind that there is a difference between the minimum requirements advertised for a position and what is necessary to get a job. The only thing necessary to match at Mayo Neurosurgery is an M.D. degree, but the fact that you have an M.D. degree does not necessarily mean you have a chance at actually getting the position. The University of Nebraska hired a new football head coach. The only requirement on the official job posting was that the applicant had to have a Bachelor's degree; suffice it to say that far more was needed to actually get the job.

Even if you have a medical license, what really matters is having hospital privileges, getting credentialed by a health insurance plan, and getting malpractice coverage. The first of those is easy, you appear to know that you will not be practicing surgery, and it is certainly possible to have an outpatient-only practice. You will find it incredibly difficult to get credentialed by a health care plan. The reasons are too complicated for this post, but it is a fact. As a physician without residency training, if something goes wrong, it is "back up the Brink's Truck time." Even if you managed the chest pain as well as a fellowship-trained Cardiologist (is there any other kind?) you will still get burned if anything bad happens, and rest assured it eventually will. The malpractice insurance companies know this, and even if they decided to cover you, they will charge you an arm and a leg. It is possible to open your own "cash only" practice, but unless you prescribe controlled substances, no one will come and see you. If you do prescribe controlled substances, you will instantly jump to the top of the DEA's radar. All of this is not speculation, it is a part of a part of my job.

Yes, you can probably find a few exceptions. It is a big country. You can also find people who didn't graduate from High School and who are millionaires, but that doesn't mean if you don't graduate from high school there is a good chance of becoming a millionaire. Yes N.P.'s and P.A.'s in some states can practice quasi-independently without an M.D. residency. But it is different. It just is. Life is not fair.
 
Some urgent cares, insurance companies asking for disability reviews, prison systems hard up with no doctors willing to work with them, and others may be options. Basically, jobs where no one else wants to go.
 
Raryn said:
Some urgent cares, insurance companies asking for disability reviews, prison systems hard up with no doctors willing to work with them, and others may be options. Basically, jobs where no one else wants to go.
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I'll pay the OP to fill out the SSD paperwork requests that I'm drowning in back at my office.

/payment to be made in beer.
//Good but not great beer, basically Goose 312.
 
Just wanted to put some real world practicality in here. It would be hard to get a job but there’s absolutely nothing stopping you from opening up a TRT clinic, suboxone and the like. Most of these places have PAs running them, and while yes, physicians have different standards and ethics, a mans gotta eat. Take care of yourselves. Once you’re out in the real world all the academic circle jerk **** goes out the window. People suddenly realize being a physician is just a job. Then they realize they wasted their 20s on some romanticized notion of cultural superiority that they wanted to feed their ego. Then they either learn to give zero ****s or off themselves.
 
NontradCA said:
Just wanted to put some real world practicality in here. It would be hard to get a job but there’s absolutely nothing stopping you from opening up a TRT clinic, suboxone and the like. Most of these places have PAs running them, and while yes, physicians have different standards and ethics, a mans gotta eat. Take care of yourselves. Once you’re out in the real world all the academic circle jerk **** goes out the window. People suddenly realize being a physician is just a job. Then they realize they wasted their 20s on some romanticized notion of cultural superiority that they wanted to feed their ego. Then they either learn to give zero ****s or off themselves.
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Didn't think it was gonna take 19 replies to finally get a reasonable reply to the OP.
 
Update: Got a psych residency and am in my 3rd year. I am moonlighting at a hospital on the side making 10k+ extra a month since the beginning of my 3rd year so everything worked out.
 
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Google wound care jobs. You can make lots of money. Think 200,000$. Needs license and intern year that's it. Offer solutions don't discourage someone from trying to make a living.
 
I know a few physicians who are working after one year internship... and they are doing pretty well.
 
shaggybill said:
Care to share what kind of jobs these are?
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Jail (I worked with a few)
Health departments (Same as above)
Indian Health Service (a good friend is actually doing that right now. ~200k/yr, 8am-5pm, M-F, great benefit)
Private Practice (I know many in the state of FL)
Urgent care (I know a few in FL)
 
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It’s slim pickings if you are not board cert/ eligible... and likely jobs that most other physicians won’t do eg prison physician. However, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. The bills won’t pay themselves.
 
Splenda88 said:
Jail (I worked with a few)
Health departments (Same as above)
Indian Health Service (a good friend is actually doing that right now. ~200k/yr, 8am-5pm, M-F, great benefit)
Private Practice (I know many in the state of FL)
Urgent care (I know a few in FL)
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I figured most of it was government work. What kind of stuff are they doing in private practice? Mostly primary care? Or are they doing cosmetics, etc?
 
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