Anybody here think its kind of a joke if you aren't in shape in our field?

[Elbowstoopointy]

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I honestly don't get the logic of a doctor telling his patients to eat well and exercise, while the guy is obese, a smoker, and panting from walking to his car. I've seen A LOT of healthcare workers in terrible shape with terrible diets...strong role models. Also IMO the med ADCOMs should take it into account if applicants are obese...if they don't give a **** about their bodies why should we believe they'll do any better telling other people how to stay healthy?

IMO there is little excuse to not be in shape...its your right to be out of shape but it will cause your patients to lack trust in you most likely...

All you have to do is lift/workout 3x a week and not overeat carbs like a fatass...

and I am NOT saying everyone should go become a meathead. Just take care of yourself!

In b4 people get mad for suggesting exercise

 

[FunnyCurrent]

I honestly don't get the logic of a doctor telling his patients to eat well and exercise, while the guy is obese, a smoker, and panting from walking to his car. I've seen A LOT of healthcare workers in terrible shape with terrible diets...strong role models. Also IMO the med ADCOMs should take it into account if applicants are obese...if they don't give a **** about their bodies why should we believe they'll do any better telling other people how to stay healthy?

IMO there is little excuse to not be in shape...its your right to be out of shape but it will cause your patients to lack trust in you most likely...

All you have to do is lift/workout 3x a week and not overeat carbs like a fatass...

and I am NOT saying everyone should go become a meathead. Just take care of yourself!

In b4 people get mad for suggesting exercise

Was that a picture of you that you edited out?

 

[Morsetlis]

I honestly don't get the logic of a doctor telling his patients to eat well and exercise, while the guy is obese, a smoker, and panting from walking to his car. I've seen A LOT of healthcare workers in terrible shape with terrible diets...strong role models. Also IMO the med ADCOMs should take it into account if applicants are obese...if they don't give a **** about their bodies why should we believe they'll do any better telling other people how to stay healthy?

IMO there is little excuse to not be in shape...its your right to be out of shape but it will cause your patients to lack trust in you most likely...

All you have to do is lift/workout 3x a week and not overeat carbs like a fatass...

and I am NOT saying everyone should go become a meathead. Just take care of yourself!

In b4 people get mad for suggesting exercise

Actually, all you have to do is not eat.

Anorexia ftw!

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

Was that a picture of you that you edited out?

I wish...I am going for that physique. That was Zyzz...he recently passed away though 🙁

 

[Morsetlis]

Hot.

 

[FunnyCurrent]

If you have the genetics and the frame. More power to yah. Some people just aren't built to be physique models. Think Jay Cutler for example

Also, some people have the advantage of living places where anabolics are legal (easier to come by). Being in medical school I honestly think it's all down hill from here (from a fitness standpoint)

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

If you have the genetics and the frame. More power to yah. Some people just aren't built to be physique models. Think Jay Cutler for example

Also, some people have the advantage of living places where anabolics are legal (easier to come by). Being in medical school I honestly think it's all down hill from here (from a fitness standpoint)

I just wanted to make this thread as a reminder to take care of ourselves during school/work. Its really easy to get swamped and no workout for months during med school...but taking the time to do SOME exercise 4-5 days a week and eating good makes all the difference.

The guy in the picture has amazing genetics btw, pretty tough to get those kinds of aesthetics without the right kind of skeleton and attachments

 

[goldenwest]

if they don't give a **** about their bodies why should we believe they'll do any better telling other people how to stay healthy?

While I agree with your general premise that we should be healthy, I don't think it necessarily follows that an unhealthy person can't be knowledgable about how to be healthy. Knowledge should imply action, but it clearly doesn't. Many people who know smoking will kill them still smoke. Coaches aren't always great football players, but they can tell their athletes how to be great football players.

It's important to remember what our role is as a doctor. It's not just to diagnose and treat disease or illness. I view it as a battle against poor quality of life. I'm out to help patient's live their lives to the fullest level of their desire. If they don't desire to live with better health then I respect their autonomy to make that decision. I don't believe that necessarily makes them a worse person. I will try to be a good role model for my patients that do want to lead a healthy life, but thinking that I'm trying to get all my patients to look, think, and act like me is the most severe form of hubris.

 

[Isoprop]

All you have to do is lift/workout 3x a week and not overeat carbs like a fatass...

For some people, it takes a lot more than exercising 3x a week and cutting carbs to get into the healthy BMI.

 

[vin5cent0]

A few years ago here at Mayo Clinic, the founder of Slim Fast gave Mayo millions of $$s to build a fitness center. His reasoning was because several of the nurses involved in his care were complete fatasses. He was in total shock over it and built us an amazing workout facility over it.

So, thank you fat nurses.

 

[sacrament]

I wish...I am going for that physique. That was Zyzz...he recently passed away though 🙁

There is an insensitive comment to be made here regarding the utility of achieving a particular physique in the name of health.

 

[bambi]

All you have to do is lift/workout 3x a week and not overeat carbs like a fatass...

Remember this when you are actually a doctor. I certainly don't have time to work out 3x a week. I don't really have a lot of time for eating either so it works out fine in my case! Plenty of people just don't have the time for exercise and can only eat on the go so eat what is there, they don't have time to find the healthy stuff. I agree it's bad but it's not as simple as you make out.

 

[Kevin Baker]

Thomas Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves but almost single handedly ended the slave trade in America.

I had a slightly obese pediatrician growing up who I didn't trust to give me advice, but who gave some pretty good advice. I also had a slim well built pediatrician who wrote in my chart I was taking steroids due to my small creatine usage.

Point being. Ignorant doctors will be ignorant and smart doctors will be smart. I may have listened to my obese doctor better had he been slimmer but he definitely got the right information across. I wouldn't argue a doctor has a moral imperative to maximize patient compliance by keeping him or herself slim. We all have spare time we could use to become better physicians but medicine isn't a completely selfless field. If a doc wants to eat copious amounts of food, smoke, drink, gamble, visit strip clubs, or partake in any light social vices, or any legal vices, in their free time, I won't judge.

Fitness is often about much more than simply working out a few times a week or eating less. I do agree that once in shape, maintenance requires only 30 minutes, 3 days a week, if that.

tldr: Docs could get better compliance by being in shape but they could also become better docs by doing other things. Why single out the over or underweight ones? Don't judge someone for their private life.

 

[Narmerguy]

Yeah, it'd probably be ideal if physicians were more fit. There's a lot of "ideal" things that we could change about ourselves that would certainly be nice. I think the OP is simply acknowledging what he believes a very simple change that we can make that will not only benefit ourselves but also our patients.

I'd be hard pressed to believe that someone here truly doesn't "have the time" to workout. It literally takes 30 minutes a day. In fact, you don't even need membership to a gym. A chair, a bed, and your bodyweight are all you need.

It's ok to say that there's simply other things you'd rather do with your time like relax, watch TV, read a book, volunteer, research etc, then workout. That's different from saying you don't have that time because none of us work 16 hours a day 7 days a week. We fill up our days with stuff and ultimately we do the stuff that we care the most about (with our job typically getting the first slice).

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

Remember this when you are actually a doctor. I certainly don't have time to work out 3x a week. I don't really have a lot of time for eating either so it works out fine in my case! Plenty of people just don't have the time for exercise and can only eat on the go so eat what is there, they don't have time to find the healthy stuff. I agree it's bad but it's not as simple as you make out.

45 mins to go for a walk or jog every few days maybe? 😕

And yes I know when I get there I will rage at the med students saying how theres plenty of time to stay in shape 😳

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

Yeah, it'd probably be ideal if physicians were more fit. There's a lot of "ideal" things that we could change about ourselves that would certainly be nice. I think the OP is simply acknowledging what he believes a very simple change that we can make that will not only benefit ourselves but also our patients.

I'd be hard pressed to believe that someone here truly doesn't "have the time" to workout. It literally takes 30 minutes a day. In fact, you don't even need membership to a gym. A chair, a bed, and your bodyweight are all you need.

It's ok to say that there's simply other things you'd rather do with your time like relax, watch TV, read a book, volunteer, research etc, then workout. That's different from saying you don't have that time because none of us work 16 hours a day 7 days a week. We fill up our days with stuff and ultimately we do the stuff that we care the most about (with our job typically getting the first slice).

This is all I was getting at. During a really bad busy week I may not go to the gym or do anything fancy, but I'll go for walks (even around campus) and find some way to be active. And even if you can't exercise theres not really a reason to eat bad food when you're busy 😕

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

There is an insensitive comment to be made here regarding the utility of achieving a particular physique in the name of health.

He passed due to a congenital heart defect...

 

[bambi]

45 mins to go for a walk or jog every few days maybe? 😕

And yes I know when I get there I will rage at the med students saying how theres plenty of time to stay in shape 😳

Not really! I manage once a week to exercise.

It may depend on the country and specialty but a lot of people really do not have that kind of time for things like that. Stuff like exercise is a luxury. Working, driving to and from work, food shopping, kids stuff, doing extra work - research etc are more important (at least in some places where you need to do this sort of stuff or you simply don't get a job). After doing all of that you often don't have the time. Some specialties you obviously will but there are plenty where you just wont.

 

[FunnyCurrent]

He passed due to a congenital heart defect...

Not the point.

Didn't his brother get popped for distributing Dbol? Come on dude. I know you wanna believe this guy was natural but I call BS. Just about everyone worth looking at at the gym is using something whether its "real" gear or epistane/m-drol/etc. That being said, this may have been unrelated to his death.

 

[bambi]

This is all I was getting at. During a really bad busy week I may not go to the gym or do anything fancy, but I'll go for walks (even around campus) and find some way to be active. And even if you can't exercise theres not really a reason to eat bad food when you're busy 😕

Depends where you work. My hospital sucks in terms of food. Stuff closes at 2pm, after that there is only really 1 place to get food and it's not that healthy. A lot of people don't have time to make healthy stuff at home to bring in or manage to make it but forget to bring it because they are so tired from getting up early to make it!🙂

When I am busy I don't eat unhealthily, I just don't eat so have actually lost weight! I'm now bordering on the other end of unhealthy weight!

 

[bambi]

different from saying you don't have that time because none of us work 16 hours a day 7 days a week.

I certainly know people that work that!

 

[sacrament]

He passed due to a congenital heart defect...

Well, I didn't figure that he died because he had a rockin' body.

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

Not the point.

Didn't his brother get popped for distributing Dbol? Come on dude. I know you wanna believe this guy was natural but I call BS. Just about everyone worth looking at at the gym is using something whether its "real" gear or epistane/m-drol/etc. That being said, this may have been unrelated to his death.

Oh don't worry- I know Zyzz was as natural as McDonalds beef.

 

[lildave2586]

A lot of the surgery residents at my place are overweight, and few of them started out that way. They really don't have time to work-out, I mean when you're working 95+ hours a week and never eat lunch, then binge when you get a free second, gaining weight is almost inevitable.

 

[ZagDoc]

Try finding time to workout when you work 4:30am to 9:00pm and when you're finally done at 9:00pm you still have to dictate notes, sign orders, and prep for your cases the next day. I've lost 15 pounds since starting residency by not even having enough time to EAT let alone exercise (and no, low weight because of constant catabolism =/= "in shape")

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

Try finding time to workout when you work 4:30am to 9:00pm and when you're finally done at 9:00pm you still have to dictate notes, sign orders, and prep for your cases the next day. I've lost 15 pounds since starting residency by not even having enough time to EAT let alone exercise (and no, low weight because of constant catabolism =/= "in shape")

If you actually do that, then thats 115 hours a week- about 35 over the legal limit... how do you stay alive?

 

[MilkmanAl]

I actually agree with the OP to a degree. The "do as I say, not as I do" thing only goes so far. This is a stressful profession, no doubt, but even if you can't exercise, there are still plenty of easy ways to not become unhealthy.

 

[FunnyCurrent]

Working out isn't the issue. You cannot run/lift your way to sub 10 percent body fat. Even if you ran for an hour every day the calories you burn are a drop in the bucket. Being sexy is all about diet. Dieting while you are stressed out and lacking time is what makes it difficult. Also, clean food often lacks the ability to stimulate the pleasure centers of your brain.

 

[jdh71]

I wish...I am going for that physique. That was Zyzz...he recently passed away though 🙁

Hope you have the money, the live, the kidneys, and the heart for the anabolic steroids and clenbuterol

So I suppose if you want to look like zyzz, you need to workout 3 time per week, not eat carbs like a "fatass" and follow strict schedule of anabolic steroids and clenbuterol . . .

 

[jdh71]

He passed due to a congenital heart defect...

I can't think of a single congenital heart defect that would 1) cause sudden death and 2) at the same time allow for the kind of stress put on the heart from body building.

Like most media, I'm sure reporters on this didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The most common cause of sudden death in this age group is HCM. Since you're a medical student, I'll let you do the math on what occurs with HCM in the setting of anabolic steroids.

 

[sonofva]

zyzz was an idiot. strength should be the end, not the means to an end. there is no point in looking strong without actually being strong.

but i do cumirin my power gut, small arms, and 550 lb deadlift....

 

[Narmerguy]

I certainly know people that work that!

105 hours a week? God bless their souls.

Working out isn't the issue. You cannot run/lift your way to sub 10 percent body fat. Even if you ran for an hour every day the calories you burn are a drop in the bucket. Being sexy is all about diet. Dieting while you are stressed out and lacking time is what makes it difficult. Also, clean food often lacks the ability to stimulate the pleasure centers of your brain.

I don't think the OP is advocating for becoming sexy. I think the idea is to advocate simply living a healthy lifestyle that includes more moderate eating and light exercise. Sub 10 percent body fat is entirely attainable with running and lifting provided you're not eating a burger every single day.

 

[KnuxNole]

What bout running and no lifting? I do 30 mins of runs every day and eat 3 meals. Since I don't wanna be a meathead jock either, just a regular guy who likes to stay healthy.

And of course eat good tasty foods like cake and ice cream! I mean, they were made for a reason, instead of being discontinued for being unhealthy.

I guess the same can go for soda(although I cant stand soda). If soda is supposed to be so bad, why can't they stop making it?

 

[jdh71]

I don't think the OP is advocating for becoming sexy. I think the idea is to advocate simply living a healthy lifestyle that includes more moderate eating and light exercise. Sub 10 percent body fat is entirely attainable with running and lifting provided you're not eating a burger every single day.

Should physicians probably try and live a healthy lifestyle? Sure, why not, shouldn't everyone? But where do we draw that line in the sand? Should med school interviews only be held while sitting in your underwear? What happens if you put on a few pounds in med school? Do we kick you out? Do we let you even graduate?

Are you starting to see the problems here yet? Sometimes people say crazy ****, and I should know (I'll run my mouth too), but when you start looking at it in any sort of practical manner you see that it's really nonsense.

 

[UVAbme2009]

I'd be hard pressed to believe that someone here truly doesn't "have the time" to workout. It literally takes 30 minutes a day. In fact, you don't even need membership to a gym. A chair, a bed, and your bodyweight are all you need.

Judging from your profile, you're not even in medical school yet, let alone have ever worked a day as a health care professional in your life.

Don't speak on something you haven't experienced.

And the notion that patients won't listen to their doctor because they are out of shape is absurd. Except for maybe you, Mr. Meathead.

Exclaimer: I'm a weightlifter and marathon runner.

 

[KnuxNole]

I would listen to an out-of-shape doctor if they are smart.

Obviously a lot of smart people are nowhere close to being perfectly fit. Although there are also a lot of people who are bright and fit, a lot of people are not. And then there are some people who are fit and not smart one bit. And of course there are people who aren't smart nor fit.

 

[FunnyCurrent]

zyzz was an idiot. strength should be the end, not the means to an end. there is no point in looking strong without actually being strong.

but i do cumirin my power gut, small arms, and 550 lb deadlift....

🙄

Here's the point brotha:

Zyzz would probably say "U Jelly?"

edit:I want the one on the far right, on the far left, the blonde one obscured by Zyzz's L arm, and possibly the third one from the left.

Edit2: and possibly also the one standing directly next to Zyzz's right axilla.

edit 3: thank god I live in LA. Plenty of selection

 

[FunnyCurrent]

I can't think of a single congenital heart defect that would 1) cause sudden death and 2) at the same time allow for the kind of stress put on the heart from body building.

Like most media, I'm sure reporters on this didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. The most common cause of sudden death in this age group is HCM. Since you're a medical student, I'll let you do the math on what occurs with HCM in the setting of anabolic steroids.

Long QT-syndrome --> Torsade? Does this fail the second criteria? (I only mention this because I saw a pt with a torsade tonight lol)

 

[jdh71]

Long QT-syndrome --> Torsade? Does this fail the second criteria? (I only mention this because I saw a pt with a torsade tonight lol)

Could. It's just not as common.

Your patient get better with mag or did they get "the juice"?

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

I actually agree with the OP to a degree. The "do as I say, not as I do" thing only goes so far. This is a stressful profession, no doubt, but even if you can't exercise, there are still plenty of easy ways to not become unhealthy.

This is all I was getting at. And as much as I hate saying "If I can do it...any one can", I do feel the majority of people can control their weight with a little effort. I'm not saying we need every doctor to have a 6 pack....just a healthy weight

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

zyzz was an idiot. strength should be the end, not the means to an end. there is no point in looking strong without actually being strong.

but i do cumirin my power gut, small arms, and 550 lb deadlift....

Wut?.....

I'd rather look like I bench 300 and lift 135 than lift 300 and look like I bench 135.

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

🙄

Here's the point brotha:

Zyzz would probably say "U Jelly?"

edit:I want the one on the far right, on the far left, the blonde one obscured by Zyzz's L arm, and possibly the third one from the left.

Edit2: and possibly also the one standing directly next to Zyzz's right axilla.

edit 3: thank god I live in LA. Plenty of selection

 

[Wordead]

Being out of shape and telling patients to diet and exercise is hypocrisy, pure and simple.

 

[FunnyCurrent]

Wut?.....

I'd rather look like I bench 300 and lift 135 than lift 300 and look like I bench 135.

Amen

 

[UVAbme2009]

🙄

Here's the point brotha:

And how much P is this dude getting now?

 

[FunnyCurrent]

And how much P is this dude getting now?

I don't know. I heard he was part turkish so if he's up in heaven with Mohammed then.... 70 houri... or is it 72... I somewhat doubt the houri would look anything like these girls though 😛

 

[sonofva]

Wut?.....

I'd rather look like I bench 300 and lift 135 than lift 300 and look like I bench 135.

Wut? indeed friend...What ever happened to blood, sweat, iron, and hard work? It's your kind of attitude that is turning the youth of America into spineless wussies. It is also the same attitude that will have you forsaking your fitness goals at the age of 35, and joining the rest of America on the long, flabby road to the middle.

And don't tell me that your carb free diet and fitness regimen is hard work. Eating decent and incorporating some basic resistance/cardio are things you should be doing as activities of daily living as a well rounded person. So unless you've got and IFBB Pro Card, I'd suggest you stop doling out "pearls of wisdom."

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

And how much P is this dude getting now?

Probably still more than anyone here including myself .I'm not sure you understand the magnitude of how powerful Zyzz was lol

 

[Elbowstoopointy]

Wut? indeed friend...What ever happened to blood, sweat, iron, and hard work? It's your kind of attitude that is turning the youth of America into spineless wussies. It is also the same attitude that will have you forsaking your fitness goals at the age of 35, and joining the rest of America on the long, flabby road to the middle.

And don't tell me that your carb free diet and fitness regimen is hard work. Eating decent and incorporating some basic resistance/cardio are things you should be doing as activities of daily living as a well rounded person. So unless you've got and IFBB Pro Card, I'd suggest you stop doling out "pearls of wisdom."

No...if you only train for "power" you'll herniate a disk or tear a muscle and really be out of the gym for good. The fat powerlifter type are the ones that don't work out later in life because they injure themselves or have screwed their joints up beyond repair.

 

[sonofva]

No...if you only train for "power" you'll herniate a disk or tear a muscle and really be out of the gym for good. The fat powerlifter type are the ones that don't work out later in life because they injure themselves or have screwed their joints up beyond repair.

And my idea of not being strong is repping 250 x 10 bench and 315 x 10 squat...Sorry I don't do max weight power cleans and try to deadlift 800 until I herniate L5/S1. Good luck with your joint destroying goals in 2011

with any luck i will die of some kind of explosive brain aneurysm in the squat rack by the time i am forty.