Anyone applying to Ohio Stats for 2005?

[Mo007]

Hi

Anyone applying to Ohio State this coming cycle?

Thanks

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[DDS2BE]

I am going to apply for 2005. I've been told the school is very competitive. What make it competitive is the fact that both tuition and living expences are around $27,000 a year, which makes it VERY difficult to get in. I know only one person that applied. He had 20/23 and still got declined, but got accepted to CASE WESTERN.

 

[Mo007]

DDS2BE

I doubt if OSU would decline 20/23 DAT, especially if he/she was an Ohio resident. OSU seats 100 and favors residents, their averages were 18-19's on the DAT, and 3.5/3.4 GPA (as stated on their website). It's more of a GPA school in my opinion.

Do you mind sharing your stats for the 2005 cycle?

 

[Jen1129]

I'm applying to OSU for 2005. I'm on their alternate list right now but it doesn't look like I'm getting in this year so I'm going to give it another try.

 

[DDS2BE]

DDS2BE

I doubt if OSU would decline 20/23 DAT, especially if he/she was an Ohio resident. OSU seats 100 and favors residents, their averages were 18-19's on the DAT, and 3.5/3.4 GPA (as stated on their website). It's more of a GPA school in my opinion.

Do you mind sharing your stats for the 2005 cycle?

I don't mind at all, but all I have is my TopScore and Final Kaplan. I will be taking DAT in 2-3 weeks. This dude I was talking about is an Ohio resident and he even knew the person from OSU dental cometee and still did not get in. In fact, he was teaching PAT at kaplan last month.

 

[DDS2BE]

I will share my DAT scores, unless I get 11 on all the sections

 

[arns51]

I was accepted to the class of 2008 with 19's on the DAT, so dont worry, you dont have to have an amazing DAT. I think the key is to apply as early as possible and be a well rounded applicant.

 

[Mo007]

I was accepted to the class of 2008 with 19's on the DAT, so dont worry, you dont have to have an amazing DAT. I think the key is to apply as early as possible and be a well rounded applicant.

That's what the admission director told me too, Dr. Rowland.

Do you know what % of students get into postgrads after the DDS program at OSU?

 

[Mo007]

I'm applying to OSU for 2005. I'm on their alternate list right now but it doesn't look like I'm getting in this year so I'm going to give it another try.

Re-applying won't hurt you, and the next cycle is only just over 2 weeks away.

How late did you apply to OSU? are you a resident? whats your stats?

 

[arns51]

That's what the admission director told me too, Dr. Rowland.

Do you know what % of students get into postgrads after the DDS program at OSU?

Sorry, I dont know, havent seen those stats anywhere.

 

[Mo007]

Sorry, I dont know, havent seen those stats anywhere.

I couldn't find any stats on postgrads, but I found their useful websites:

GPR: http://www.dent.ohio-state.edu/postdocgd/

Pedo: http://www.dent.ohio-state.edu/pedo/

Perio: http://www.dent.ohio-state.edu/perio/

Ortho: http://www.dent.ohio-state.edu/ortho/

OMFS: http://www.dent.ohio-state.edu/omfs/

Oral Maxillofacial Pathology: http://www.dent.ohio-state.edu/oralpath/

Dental Anesthesiology: http://www.dent.ohio-state.edu/anesthesiology/

 

[sxr71]

One of the docs (who was a pediatric dentist) at Columbia told me that OSU has a very solid pedo dentistry program. As it turned out, most of the docs who interviewed us/presented to us at Columbia were pediatric specialists.

 

[Mo007]

Quick note about OSU.

They strongly encourage their applicants to get their application in by November 30th. If you are applying through AADSAS after October (which will take 3-4 weeks for AADSAS to forward the application), the chances of getting in maybe somewhat reduced, especially for out of state students. It's critical to apply early, becuase they are notorious on the alternate list.

Here is some info on the website:

Q: What is the deadline for applications?

A: Applications must be submitted to ADEA by November 30th, 2004. Take note: our Admissions Office will probably not receive applications that are received by ADEA in late November until late December. By the time secondary applications are sent to these late applicants and returned to us, there is a possibility that the class may be filled before an interview can be arranged for them.

By the way; Biochemistry, Microbiology and Anatomy will become standard pre-rqeuisites for the entering Class 2006 - but NOT for 2005. If you already have these courses, it might be a positive factor on your application.

 

[PERFECT3435]

ok i tried to hold back my comments about this school but i just realized that i can not help it.


i sent my AADSAS on june 1st and my AADSAS number was very low. my gpa was ~3.1 and hadn't taken the DAT yet when i sent in my AADSAS app.

i think it was around the 1st or 2nd week of july when Ohio state rejected me. now i know my GPA wasn't super. however, what i don't understand is that why they didn't even wait for me to take the DAT before they rejected me? how did they know i wasn't going to ace the DAT?

bottom line, i can not pinpoint what got me rejected there. i feel like they read my statement letter's 1st line "growing up in Afghanistan....." and decided to reject me. i hate to think that it was the race issue but honestly thats how i feel. you can not reject someone without seeing the complete app and without the DAT scores.

 

[Mo007]

PERFECT

OSU is a state school, non-residents have to meet the average academic stats (GPA: 3.5, Sci: 3.4) for admission. The only thing I can think of for the rejection, is your non-resident status and 3.1 GPA. The class is normally 100-105 seats, very small % are non-residents, and their stats exceed the averages.

 

[PERFECT3435]

i know that my gpa was lower than their avg and i know that i was a non resident.

are you telling me that they only consider those 2 factors?

so basically, unless you have a high gpa you shouldn't apply there?

one more thing. noone ever gets a rejection in 1st week of july. i dout they even read the second sentance of my statement let alone go over my whole app.

 

[Mo007]

i know that my gpa was lower than their avg and i know that i was a non resident.

are you telling me that they only consider those 2 factors?

so basically, unless you have a high gpa you shouldn't apply there?

one more thing. noone ever gets a rejection in 1st week of july. i dout they even read the second sentance of my statement let alone go over my whole app.

PERFECT

I didn't mean to suggest that those were the only 2 factors OSU uses to select candidates, nor discouraged anyone from applying to that school. It is a competitve state school, and the fact they rejected your application in July - that's something only the school knows. A GPA of 3.0 is all they knew at that point from your academic performance on your application, and I do agree - it's not fair for them to reject you without your DAT. I have believe that your non-resident status also played a role on their decision.

It's probably somewhat difficult for an ohio resident with your stats (GPA) to get in.

 

[arns51]

Perfect, I guess we will never know why exactly you got rejected. However, I was under the impression that in order to gain entrance to any competetive state school as a NON-resident you had to have VERY competetive stats, much higher than the schools overall average. I doubt a 3.1 would have cut it without an incredible DAT score.

I dont believe that they only consider the two factors of residency/gpa, but one has to meet their minimum requirements for gpa/dat/etc in order to keep moving through the whole process.

Also, I really really doubt that it is a race issue, OSU is a very large school, that im sure has dealt with race issues in the past and knows that race is not something that should be considered when evaluating an applicant. Also from the tentative class list I received for this coming years class there are many names from people of different ethnic backgrounds. Which is something Im happy about (a diverse class) and something that Im sure they university strives for.

 

[Mo007]

arns51

Any idea when OSU's D-classes begin? - and what the tuition for the incoming class will be?

 

[arns51]

arns51

Any idea when OSU's D-classes begin? - and what the tuition for the incoming class will be?

Orientation begins Sept. 20th and classes are Sept. 27th, havent received any info on tuition yet.

 

[Mo007]

Orientation begins Sept. 20th and classes are Sept. 27th, havent received any info on tuition yet.

OSU normally re-structures their tuition fees during summer quarter. I hope it's a modest rise.

 

[PERFECT3435]

..... I doubt a 3.1 would have cut it without an incredible DAT score....

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why didn't they wait a little to see if i would have an incredible DAT scores?


arns,
i hope you aren't under the impression that i don't like the school. all i am saying is that there something wrong with this picture. they barely had the time to even look at my app and yet they rejected me.


oh well, enough about them. good luck to you there.

 

[Mo007]

PERFECT

At least you ended up at your 1st choice. Even if OSU accepted you, would you go?

 

[PERFECT3435]

PERFECT

At least you ended up at your 1st choice. Even if OSU accepted you, would you go?

oh heck no. i wouldn't have gone anywhere once i was accepted at IU.

 

[Mo007]

oh heck no. i wouldn't have gone anywhere once i was accepted at IU.

Well, there you go... no need to suggest the grounds of the rejection from OSU at this point. They did more good than harm for you by not wasting your time and $ for an interview, followed by a rejection.

Good Luck

 

[sxr71]

..... I doubt a 3.1 would have cut it without an incredible DAT score....

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why didn't they wait a little to see if i would have an incredible DAT scores?


arns,
i hope you aren't under the impression that i don't like the school. all i am saying is that there something wrong with this picture. they barely had the time to even look at my app and yet they rejected me.


oh well, enough about them. good luck to you there.

Certain state schools like Indiana and Michigan have liberal policies regarding out of state applicants, but others like the Texas, and California schools along with UNC, OSU, UMB and others have very strict policies in that arena. They very likely put your numbers through a simple formula and automatically send out interview invites or declines using such a purely numerical method. In any case, a school's policy towards out of state applicants in no way provides an indication of the quality of the school. I can name schools subscribing to both philosophies that are widely considered excellent. In applying to state schools as a non-resident, one must be clear about which of these philosophies a particular school subscribes to.

 

[Kung Foo]

Hey - I'm a D2 @ OSU, and wanted to post in case anyone had questions NOT related to admissions or tuition costs (you lose touch with that stuff really quickly once you're in the heat of school)
Also, most of out out-of-staters are Utah kids who have amazing #'s... the non-OH students as a group are the ones who really inflate our class stats (think 3.9 and 33 as average out-of-state stats)

Go Bucks!!!

(side note: almost didn't go to OSU because of the crazy football atmosphere here, in retrospect, glad that didn't deter me)

 

[sxr71]

Hey - I'm a D2 @ OSU, and wanted to post in case anyone had questions NOT related to admissions or tuition costs (you lose touch with that stuff really quickly once you're in the heat of school)
Also, most of out out-of-staters are Utah kids who have amazing #'s... the non-OH students as a group are the ones who really inflate our class stats (think 3.9 and 33 as average out-of-state stats)

Go Bucks!!!

(side note: almost didn't go to OSU because of the crazy football atmosphere here, in retrospect, glad that didn't deter me)

Yeah OSU is a great school, but that crazy football atmosphere borders on ridiculous sometimes. You will hear people shouting "Ohio, Ohio" outside your apartment at all times of day and night, and I'm not kidding either. Things might be better on the Neil Avenue side of campus where most of the Medical and Dental students live. I can't imagine that they'd have the time to walk around shouting "Ohio" all day. I don't say this to put down the school in any way, but at times it seems as if people here would wither away and die if their beloved football team were taken away from them. Despite all this, the professional programs at the school tend to be solid, attracting people who are serious about their future.

 

[Mo007]

Kung Foo: I met with the Dir. of Admissions today, and I was going to ask if he knows you... I was thinking if I ask him "Do you know Kung Foo"?, he might answer "Nope! - I know Karate!"

60% of the applicants who apply to this school are out-of-staters. So, if you applied last cycle (2004) as an in-state applicant, your chances were 1:4, which is pretty good compared to 1:10 for out-of-stater. The school receives the most competitive applicants at the early stages of the cycle, again most of them are out of state applicants.

The matriculants' for fall 2004 - average GPA and DAT scores has slighlty shifted to 3.5 and 18/19 respectively from the previous year (3.45 and 18's on the DAT). The GPA/DAT averages for in-state matriculants were lower than that, especially for the DAT (17's/18's) - it's the out-of-staters that pull the average GPA/DAT scores up.

OSU houses all dental specialties - 15% of graduates get into postgrads (excluding GPR), however - OSU is a great clinical and research orientated school. OMS takes 4 seats every year (2 are on the 4 years program, the other 2 are on 1 year externship programs), Ortho normally seats 5, but this year they had 6 (don't know why), 2 perio and 2 pedo. OSU enciourages students from the first year to get involved and develop a relationship with their postgrad faculties, which is a good idea in the long run. The school has the high caliber faculty, - they teach by the textbook authors in about most of the dental courses

OSU is a very big school itself, and has a lot more to offer than most other D-schools, especially their huge campus. 10% of students get scholarships ranging from $2000 to full, and they are based on academic performance and minority status.

The tuition is going up this fall by 14% (from ~$17K to ~$19K) - it normally goes up 12%, for some reason the school didn't get enough funding from the state this year .

Students don't purchase equipments, they rent it for the required courses. The estimated total expenses for the entire year - including a comfortable living is ~$28K (this is about the MAX Federal Loan can pay for the student). So, if there no other sources of income - the total 4 yrs expense will be ~110K, and this a great deal compared to Boston and NYU schools.

The school uses some sort of Formula to select their candidates from the admission process... Its something like (Your GPA + Your DAT) = (New GPA). So if your GPA was about 3.2, and you had a solid DAT scores, your NEW GPA will be about 3.3-3.4, and eventually makes you more competitive. Other factors like volunteering, research and other experiences can also boost the NEW GPA - and makes the applicant even more competitive for admission. The opposite can also occur, someone with 3.9 GPA and 17's DAT will have a NEW GPA lower than his/her initial GPA. So the NEW GPA is what it all comes down to, which determines if you are well rounded person or not.

All this information is based on what the Dir. of Admission told me.

OSU