Anyone Doing Joint JD/MD?

[BMW M3]

I'm registered for the Dec. 3 LSAT ... yea, more standardized tests

Hope I score high enough to do the joint law/med with Seton Hall/NJMS

Anyone in the same boat as me? Any words of advice?

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[beponychick]

I'm registered for the Dec. 3 LSAT ... yea, more standardized tests

Hope I score high enough to do the joint law/med with Seton Hall/NJMS

Anyone in the same boat as me? Any words of advice?

YEAH!!!!!!!!!

Im in the same boat, although ive already been accepted to law school, just not med school yet :-(

NJMS used to have a joint degree with seton hall and rutgers law, but they dont do that anymore according to Dr. Heinrich. However, RWJ still does the program with seton hall. I was deciding between the two law schools when I got accepted, but I decided on Rutgers Newark because it is much cheaper since Im a NJ resident.

Good luck to you!!! Yay! There are so few of us out there so we should really stick together.

Good luck on the LSAT! You will rock it im sure. Its not even comparable to the MCAT.

PM me if you have questions.

 

[C.P. Jones]

are you kidding me? i didn't even know ppl did this. How long are you in school for.....are you actually attending two diff. schools, or is this a special program

just interested, there's not a chance i would do it

oh, and why?

 

[beponychick]

are you kidding me? i didn't even know ppl did this. How long are you in school for.....are you actually attending two diff. schools, or is this a special program

just interested, there's not a chance i would do it

oh, and why?

Well usually for the combined programs, you are in school for 6 years. However, if you decide to do a separate medical and separate law school program, then that would be 7 years (4 years med + 3 years law). You do in fact attend both law and medical school separately. For instance, you will do your M1 followed by M2, then do L1 followed by L2 and then finish of your last two years of med schools. Some of your law school electives will be satisfied by the med school courses, and therefore you can cut a year off that way. There are not that many people that do these programs (hence that is why I believe NJMS stopped offering this option) but in general I think the numbers of MD/JDs is rising.

If you think about it, an MD/PHD will most likely require more than 6 years to complete so it is definitely not the longers program out there. And MD/MBA is 5 years and so are many MD/MPH programs.

 

[C.P. Jones]

hmmm, that's interesting! it does sound like a great idea.

how do you think it will help you? i'm assuming you may already have specific plans, but i have no idea how a law degree would help me as a doctor....past malpractice 🙂

 

[BMW M3]

😍 we're actually in the SAME boat (both from NJ and both looking to do Law/Med) ... small world!

I got into both RWJ and NJMS and am just waiting to take the LSATs; I hope Dec. 3 is not too late. Do you know how the application process works for law school (read: when should I apply)?

 

[BMW M3]

hmmm, that's interesting! it does sound like a great idea.

how do you think it will help you? i'm assuming you may already have specific plans, but i have no idea how a law degree would help me as a doctor....past malpractice 🙂

I'm hoping to do one of two things:

1) malpractice defense ... last time i checked, NJ only had 2 exclusive malpractice defense lawyers. CT had a couple more.

2) get an MPH on top of a JD/MD then practice at a hospital and one day become the head honcho

But these are just plans ... everyone can say "I plan to do this and that." It mean absolutely nothing until I actually act on them.

 

[C.P. Jones]

I'm hoping to do one of two things:

1) malpractice defense ... last time i checked, NJ only had 2 exclusive malpractice defense lawyers. CT had a couple more.

2) get an MPH on top of a JD/MD then practice at a hospital and one day become the head honcho

But these are just plans ... everyone can say "I plan to do this and that." It mean absolutely nothing until I actually act on them.

i'm very impressed, not something i would have ever thought of or something i would do, but i think it's cool that you guys are doing this...good luck!

 

[45408]

I'm hoping to do one of two things:

1) malpractice defense ... last time i checked, NJ only had 2 exclusive malpractice defense lawyers. CT had a couple more.

2) get an MPH on top of a JD/MD then practice at a hospital and one day become the head honcho

But these are just plans ... everyone can say "I plan to do this and that." It mean absolutely nothing until I actually act on them.

it's awfully easy to get an MPH with an MD these days - so many of the MPH requirements are filled by M1/M2 classes. Northwestern offers an MD/MPH that can be done in four years (you take some summer classes before M1 and some afterwards, IIRC).

 

[medgator]

http://www.themdjd.com/

That is someone who has gone to the dark side..... and someone we need less of in Florida 😡

 

[beponychick]

http://www.themdjd.com/

That is someone who has gone to the dark side..... and someone we need less of in Florida 😡

haha, i love it! The DARK SIDE! Just know, for every bad lawyer, there is a good one.. protecting the rights of patients. They do their job, just like doctors do theirs.

 

[beponychick]

😍 we're actually in the SAME boat (both from NJ and both looking to do Law/Med) ... small world!

I got into both RWJ and NJMS and am just waiting to take the LSATs; I hope Dec. 3 is not too late. Do you know how the application process works for law school (read: when should I apply)?

Well I think you have some time to decide. You should apply to law school during your second year of med, so take the LSAT and hang on to them for another year or so. I applied early, because I am actually a re-applicant to med school. I was waitlisted at RWJ two years ago, and last year applied to law school after talking to Dr. Terregino and making sure I can still do the program after starting law school first. I deffered my acceptance to see where I end up for med school though and I will make my ultimate decision of whether or not to pursue law in addition to med when I see all my options. I am kind of dissapointed that NJMed doesnt offer the program anymore. It would have been so convenient since the law school is very close to the med school in Newark. Maybe I can work something out with them. But first, Im anxiously awaiting a phone call from Dr. Heinrich. I absolutely LOVED NJMed!!!

Congratulations on your acceptances by the way!!!!

 

[medgator]

haha, i love it! The DARK SIDE! Just know, for every bad lawyer, there is a good one.. protecting the rights of patients. They do their job, just like doctors do theirs.

IMO I would probably put the ratio at 10000:1. 🙄 especially in states with high malpractice premiums and legislatures dominated by trial lawyers (FL, PA, etc).

 

[medhacker]

Hi guys

Same boat here, also from Jersey


👍

 

[BMW M3]

So what is the optimal time frame for doing the jd/md? I got an email from Rutgers-Camden:

While pursuing a Juris Doctorate, some students wish to enrich and
strengthen their legal studies with a graduate degree in another
discipline. Rutgers - Camden affords students the opportunity to earn
specialized degrees simultaneously with the J.D. degree.

One of our featured dual degree programs is the J.D./M.D., University
of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey. This intense program includes
four years of Medicine and two years (including two summer sessions) of
Law. The job opportunities for a J.D./M.D. are substantial. Students
may apply to this program in their third year of medical school.

It looks like I can delay the LSATs for another year or two. Do other schools do it differently?

 

[beponychick]

So what is the optimal time frame for doing the jd/md? I got an email from Rutgers-Camden:



It looks like I can delay the LSATs for another year or two. Do other schools do it differently?

No the other schools do it the same. However, if I were you, I would go ahead and take the LSAT. You dont want to be dealing with that test when you are studying for your boards (at the end of your second year) or studying for med school classes. You will have enough on your plate at that point. Right now, you are already in med school, so you can relax and study for that test without any additional pressure. Even if you eventually dont end up doing the combined program, its only $130 wasted to take the test.. not a biggy.

 

[elsa]

Hi

Can someone tell me where I can found out more information about the JD/MD program. Which schools offers the joint degree. Thank you very much for your help and time

I'm registered for the Dec. 3 LSAT ... yea, more standardized tests

Hope I score high enough to do the joint law/med with Seton Hall/NJMS

Anyone in the same boat as me? Any words of advice?

 

[beponychick]

Hi

Can someone tell me where I can found out more information about the JD/MD program. Which schools offers the joint degree. Thank you very much for your help and time

There are actually a lot of schools that offer this program and others that are willing to work with you in doing the combined degree at different institutions. I would look on the website of various med schools and see if they have something posted on MD/JDs. I know Vanderbilt, UChicago, Yale, RWJ, and some other schools offer the program. You have to be truly amazing to get into a top ranked MD/JD program since you have to get accepted to both medical school and law school. But people do that, god bless them! 🙂

 

[BMW M3]

Add Duke, Illinois and Minnesota to that list

 

[2DEG]

Add Duke, Illinois and Minnesota to that list

UNC chapel hill offers JD/M.D as well. I am not applying though but I wish I could do M.D/Ph.D...J.D/M.D sounds fascinating too.

 

[elsa]

Great - thank you very much

UNC chapel hill offers JD/M.D as well. I am not applying though but I wish I could do M.D/Ph.D...J.D/M.D sounds fascinating too.

 

[2DEG]

Elsa ..


I found this info..I think this is exactly what you are looking for.

http://services.aamc.org/currdir/section3/degree2.cfm?data=yes&program=mdjd


S.

 

[elsa]

Hi Shahab,

Thanks a million that is exactly what I was looking for.

Elsa ..


I found this info..I think this is exactly what you are looking for.

http://services.aamc.org/currdir/section3/degree2.cfm?data=yes&program=mdjd


S.

 

[elsa]

Bump!!!

I'm registered for the Dec. 3 LSAT ... yea, more standardized tests

Hope I score high enough to do the joint law/med with Seton Hall/NJMS

Anyone in the same boat as me? Any words of advice?

 

[beponychick]

Bump!!!

Elsa, what are you interested in?

 

[Kitra101]

WOW - you all must LOVE being a student and making debt in place of money. Not to mention, I hear and would imagine med school to be extremely difficult and time comsuming. My friends who are in law school will tell you the same of their program. Get ready for hell on earth if you plan to do both at the same time. I wonder what board scores are like for students who do both? You would imagine they may differ a little, no?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

😍 we're actually in the SAME boat (both from NJ and both looking to do Law/Med) ... small world!

I got into both RWJ and NJMS and am just waiting to take the LSATs; I hope Dec. 3 is not too late. Do you know how the application process works for law school (read: when should I apply)?

law school admissions is more competitive now than it was when i applied i guess because the economy is still not excellent. when you can't get a job, law school always looks like a good option because there are no prereqs. however, there are still more spots than people, and i doubt it's that competitive at anywhere except top tier schools. so, i'm thinking taking the dec. 3 lsat should be fine. people apply to law school a lot later than med school anyway, even though both are usually rolling.

as for the degrees, i'm probably going to be a jd/do (might be a jd/md, but we'll see). i didn't like law school and don't practice, so i don't intend to use both degrees. if you want to just be a clinician, i don't see where the jd would fit in. also, a jd is not a very practical degree for anything except practicing law. i think the big pluses of having the degree are that i don't think all lawyers are sleazy and out to get me (seems to common in the medical world), and it'd probably be useful if i got involved in the ama or the aoa. personally, i want to be a clinician, so i would never seek out the jd if i didn't already have it.

 

[BMW M3]

Ok, just got word from NJMS that their "JD/MD program is under development" but they have no literature as of yet. The lady I spoke to anticipated the program to become active after I enrolled, but as of now I have no substantial guarantee that the program won't just go under once I matriculate.

I am really hoping that the program will become a permanent establishment. NJMS/Rutgers Newark (or even Seton Hall) would be ideal for me since they are so close to each other and both of those law schools are Top Tier

 

[bgreet]

I always thought Seton Hall Law and Rutgers Newark were "B" law schools. The Rutgers Law School is nice and it is close to NJMS so thats a plus but I really don't think its rated that high.

 

[BMW M3]

Well Rutgers and Seton Hall are def. not in the same league as Harvard, Yale, and NYU, but they're in US News' Top 100.

I used the term "top tier" very loosely.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Well Rutgers and Seton Hall are def. not in the same league as Harvard, Yale, and NYU, but they're in US News' Top 100.

I used the term "top tier" very loosely.

usnews changed their "top tier" thing recently making it so the top 100 schools were all lumped together. when i applied i think the top tier was top 50, so rutgers and seton hall would have been second or third tier then. the real distinctions seem to be top 10, then top 14, then top 15, then top 25, then top 50 (silly, i know). people at UT always used top 15 as the cut off because we were ranked #15. 🙂

for a jd/md, it probably doesn't matter. if you were going staight, i'd recommend try for a really top school and avoiding places like seton hall or rutgers. law is a psycho-prestige oriented field.

 

[beponychick]

Well Rutgers and Seton Hall are def. not in the same league as Harvard, Yale, and NYU, but they're in US News' Top 100.

I used the term "top tier" very loosely.

Rutgers Newark is actually ranked higher than Seton Hall although Seton Hall has a very highly ranked health law concentration (fourth in the country). I chose Newark because it is so close to NJMed. I just have to wait for my NJMed acceptance.

 

[elsa]

Hi

I would like to read and learn more about the MD/JD dual degree. Do you know anyone that is currently enroll in the dual degree?

Thanks

Elsa, what are you interested in?

 

[BMW M3]

Hi

I would like to read and learn more about the MD/JD dual degree. Do you know anyone that is currently enroll in the dual degree?

Thanks

Try a google search: http://rwjms.umdnj.edu/education/educational_programs/dual_degree/mdjd_camden.pdf

 

[elsa]

Hi

Thank you very much for the link..

Try a google search: http://rwjms.umdnj.edu/education/educational_programs/dual_degree/mdjd_camden.pdf

 

[PDsquash83]

Try a google search: http://rwjms.umdnj.edu/education/educational_programs/dual_degree/mdjd_camden.pdf

I an interesting link about this whole MD/JD program: http://www.pshrink.com/mdjd.html.

I was thinking along the same lines as most of you guys and this seems to deter me.

 

[beponychick]

I an interesting link about this whole MD/JD program: http://www.pshrink.com/mdjd.html.

I was thinking along the same lines as most of you guys and this seems to deter me.

yes, everyone who is opposed to the combined program seems to quote this guy. Just remember, he is one of many MD/JDs and not everyone has a bad experience. True, it may not be a perfect fit for everyone, but in general, I think its great to have exposure to law as a future physician, especially if you want to go into academics/do policy research, etc. However, I would highly advise anyone to work in a health law firm/policy organization with attorneys, to see what that life is like and to also get a sense from them what law school is all about. I think going into a dual program blindly is not a good way to go.

 

[PDsquash83]

I an interesting link about this whole MD/JD program: http://www.pshrink.com/mdjd.html.

I was thinking along the same lines as most of you guys and this seems to deter me.

Also, do you know how much credibility one would have after just going to medical school. It seems that in order to be of any worth in patent law/medical malpratice you need to complete residency and then perhaps have some experience after that.

The link I posted early seems to agree with those sentiments.

 

[beponychick]

Also, do you know how much credibility one would have after just going to medical school. It seems that in order to be of any worth in patent law/medical malpratice you need to complete residency and then perhaps have some experience after that.

The link I posted early seems to agree with those sentiments.

Why do you say that? I think you can be pretty competent in medical decision-making without going to residency. Of course, residency would help, but you will have more than enough science behind your belt to be a good patent lawyer or any other health lawyer.

 

[Law2Doc]

Also, do you know how much credibility one would have after just going to medical school. It seems that in order to be of any worth in patent law/medical malpratice you need to complete residency and then perhaps have some experience after that.

The link I posted early seems to agree with those sentiments.

Just FYI, you really do not need to go to med school to do medmal defense. 99.99% of all lawyers who work in this field are not trained as physicians. They generally just hire physicians and other health professionals to review medical records and, as needed issue medical opinions. You see a few former nurses turned lawyer now and then, but almost never any MDs. Would it help? Sure -- but probably not enough that I'd spend four years of med school on top of law school to do something you could do with just the law degree. I doubt the residency is of value to the practice of law, but it certainly would be if you wanted to testify as an expert. As for patent law, medicine is really not the most useful science degree you could obtain - Usually advanced degrees in the hard sciences and engineering are more marketable.