Anyone else getting fed up with IUSD?

[cvirtue]

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I got a problem with IUSD.
Way back at the start of this whole process IUSD was my first choice by far being that i'm from Indiana and I attend Indiana University. I applied at the earliest possible date (June 1st) and was informed by IUSD at the end of August that my application was incomplete because on my transcript I did not put that I was taking biochem in spring 06'. IUSD is one of maybe 3 schools that absolutely require biochem and all others recommend it. On my app I only put the classes I knew I was taking in the fall b/c I didn't know my spring schedule. Well they held my application till I sent them a one sentence letter saying I was taking it, they couldn't take my word for it over the phone. In the time it took for them to send me the notice and me to send the letter they held my application and everyone else bypassed me. I called back and they said they were out of fall interviews 😡 . I was bummed but they told me i'd have a spring interview.
So I wait around and finally get an email inviting me for an interview and asking me my preference of what day I wanted to interview. Well I sent that back and they sent me a reply maybe an hour later saying their interview schedule is full and now i'm on the interview waitlist incase there is a cancelation. 😡
There's no better feeling then getting dicked around by your own (state) school. Besides my problems i've heard many others complaining. That the interviews are impersonal and unprofessional and pale in comparison to say OSU and UofL. Also that the dental students first 2 years of workload is greater than that of the med students at IUPUI. Anyone else have problems with IUSD?
I'm on the next to be contacted list at Louisville and hopefully the first week of february I get in because at this point if I got into both schools I could honestly say I would accept UofL over Indiana even though it'll cost me more than twice as much. For one I think they have a better dental program and better, more personable people on their staff.

 

[aphistis]

I got a problem with IUSD.
Way back at the start of this whole process IUSD was my first choice by far being that i'm from Indiana and I attend Indiana University. I applied at the earliest possible date (June 1st) and was informed by IUSD at the end of August that my application was incomplete because on my transcript I did not put that I was taking biochem in spring 06'. IUSD is one of maybe 3 schools that absolutely require biochem and all others recommend it. On my app I only put the classes I knew I was taking in the fall b/c I didn't know my spring schedule. Well they held my application till I sent them a one sentence letter saying I was taking it, they couldn't take my word for it over the phone. In the time it took for them to send me the notice and me to send the letter they held my application and everyone else bypassed me. I called back and they said they were out of fall interviews 😡 . I was bummed but they told me i'd have a spring interview.
So I wait around and finally get an email inviting me for an interview and asking me my preference of what day I wanted to interview. Well I sent that back and they sent me a reply maybe an hour later saying their interview schedule is full and now i'm on the interview waitlist incase there is a cancelation. 😡
There's no better feeling then getting dicked around by your own (state) school. Besides my problems i've heard many others complaining. That the interviews are impersonal and unprofessional and pale in comparison to say OSU and UofL. Also that the dental students first 2 years of workload is greater than that of the med students at IUPUI. Anyone else have problems with IUSD?
I'm on the next to be contacted list at Louisville and hopefully the first week of february I get in because at this point if I got into both schools I could honestly say I would accept UofL over Indiana even though it'll cost me more than twice as much. For one I think they have a better dental program and better, more personable people on their staff.

I'm sorry to hear you had such a rotten experience with the admissions staff. I'd be pretty angry too if they treated me like that.

For what it's worth, though, I've helped conduct several, and from both sides of the table I think IUSD interviews are definitely pro-applicant. The prevailing philosophy is that the school wants to see you at your best, not your worst, and every panel I've served on has gone out of its way to make interviewees as comfortable as possible during the interview.

Also, I can't vouch for IU Med since I've never attended, but any dental school in America is going to make you work your tail off. That's not an IU-specific thing. Best of luck to you!

 

[berryfremont]

that's just not right to book more interviews than they can hold...it becomes a contest of who can check their mail/email the fastest and get in touch with them to tell them what date they want...personally, I think that's a selfish way to run things and does not concentrate on the applicants, but concentrates on making sure they fill their interview spots...I take what I say back if you checked your email a month after they gave you your invite cvirtue.

 

[thewince7]

I am sorry to hear that man. IUSD is my number one to since im also instate. I hope you get your interview. However, at this stage in the game its gonna be very hard to get into IU. I talked to Dr K and he said after the first round of interviews the avg gpa was a 3.6. He told me they are maybe accepting most likely around 5 people, at most 10, and the rest would be waitlisted from the next 70 instate interviews, which i am one of. I shouldve got my stuff in earlier, but since you actually did, that really sucks. Hopefully well catch our break. At IU or elsewhere.

 

[082004]

Don't be discouraged! The interviewing process for dental school, especially at IU, is tough. I calculated that 12% of IU medical school applicants are accepted and only 8% of IU dental school applicants are accepted. It is NOT rare to have to apply 2-3x before getting in...not because the applicants aren't qualified but because there just aren't enough spots. It would certainly be easier if IU didn't accept about 1/3 of their class from out-of-state. My advice is to go in-state if you can, even if you have to wait a year...those loans are looking quite intimidating even in-state!!!
Best Wishes.

 

[Comet208]

Don't be discouraged! The interviewing process for dental school, especially at IU, is tough. I calculated that 12% of IU medical school applicants are accepted and only 8% of IU dental school applicants are accepted. It is NOT rare to have to apply 2-3x before getting in...not because the applicants aren't qualified but because there just aren't enough spots. It would certainly be easier if IU didn't accept about 1/3 of their class from out-of-state. My advice is to go in-state if you can, even if you have to wait a year...those loans are looking quite intimidating even in-state!!!
Best Wishes.

your stats of way off..

according to the stats sheet for entering class of 2005 that the school sent me, out of the 1560 applicants only 208 were in-state applicants from which 72 enrolled. Thats 1/3 Enrollment which is not bad at all. Out of the 1352 out-of-state applicants, only 29 enrolled and thats only 2.14%.

However, I agree with you on the difficulty of the applicant selection when almost everyone has great scores, has undergone similar educations,and has LOR from the same profs.


OP:

I had a very different (and positive) experience with IU admissions. When i got my interview invite in August, an accompanying letter noted the courses i still needed to take (and they were not on my AADSAS application). Even though the letter says one would not be granted an interview before such issues are cleared with the school, I was able to note it on that sheet and send (overnight) it back to the school. At the interview, like everyone else with outstanding courses, I only had to sign a sheet that those courses will be satisfied as projected.

 

[aphistis]

your stats of way off..

according to the stats sheet for entering class of 2005 that the school sent me, out of the 1560 applicants only 208 were in-state applicants from which 72 enrolled. Thats 1/3 Enrollment which is not bad at all. Out of the 1352 out-of-state applicants, only 29 enrolled and thats only 2.14%.

However, I agree with you on the difficulty of the applicant selection when almost everyone has great scores, has undergone similar educations,and has LOR from the same profs.


OP:

I had a very different (and positive) experience with IU admissions. When i got my interview invite in August, an accompanying letter noted the courses i still needed to take (and they were not on my AADSAS application). Even though the letter says one would not be granted an interview before such issues are cleared with the school, I was able to note it on that sheet and send (overnight) it back to the school. At the interview, like everyone else with outstanding courses, I only had to sign a sheet that those courses will be satisfied as projected.

Actually, she probably isn't too far off. A lot of people forget that schools have to send out many more acceptances than they have class roster space, simply due to the number of students choosing from multiple offers. The rule of thumb I've heard from an anonymous (but highly reputable) admissions source is that IUSD typically sends about 300 acceptances each year to fill a 100-person class roster.

If you assume, then, that the 2.14% enrollment only represents about 1/3 of the accepted applicants, that means ~6.5% of nonresident applicants are accepted.

If you (arbitrarily) assume a 2/3 enrollment/acceptance ratio for in-state applicants, you end up with 108 in-state acceptances and 87 out-of-state.

That gives a grand total of 195 acceptances last year out of 1560 applications, or exactly 12.5%, which decently matches what 082004 came up with.

 

[Comet208]

Actually, she probably isn't too far off. A lot of people forget that schools have to send out many more acceptances than they have class roster space, simply due to the number of students choosing from multiple offers. The rule of thumb I've heard from an anonymous (but highly reputable) admissions source is that IUSD typically sends about 300 acceptances each year to fill a 100-person class roster.

If you assume, then, that the 2.14% enrollment only represents about 1/3 of the accepted applicants, that means ~6.5% of nonresident applicants are accepted.

If you (arbitrarily) assume a 2/3 enrollment/acceptance ratio for in-state applicants, you end up with 108 in-state acceptances and 87 out-of-state.

That gives a grand total of 195 acceptances last year out of 1560 applications, or exactly 12.5%, which decently matches what 082004 came up with.

I have heard that same 300 magic number (probably from the same anonymous source) and I agree with your calculations on % of ACCEPTANCES. However, what I was saying was the % of the ENROLLED. You know there is a difference between the two.

 

[aphistis]

I have heard that same 300 magic number (probably from the same anonymous source) and I agree with your calculations on % of ACCEPTANCES. However, what I was saying was the % of the ENROLLED. You know there is a difference between the two.

Of course I do; it was the whole point of my post. The important number from the applicant's perspective is the number of accepted applicants, because after that it's the applicant's decision whether or not to attend, and so if they don't enroll at one school it's almost certainly because they *have* opted to attend another one, so the discrepancy between acceptances & enrollments is insignificant because that group of applicants is still attending dental school somewhere.

Besides, the post you responded to in the first place was about acceptances, not matriculations.