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From the predictions it looks like trump might take it. How is this going to change America and our future careers?
 
How is this going to change our future careers?

Clinton wanted to expand Obamacare. From the track record that policy has to this point in its existence, expanding would be a terrible plan, in my opinion.
 
I'm more concerned about the rights and safety of minorities than how this will affect my salary.

If there is any threat on the safety for minorities, then this problem is caused by the people doing this harm, not Trump. Everybody jumps the gun by saying that he is racist, yet fail to quote one thing directly racist that he has said. If someone takes his words and goes on to harms minorities, there was already a problem with that person's thought process, not with the president-elect


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If there is any threat on the safety for minorities, then this problem is caused by the people doing this harm, not Trump. Everybody jumps the gun by saying that he is racist, yet fail to quote one thing directly racist that he has said. If someone takes his words and goes on to harms minorities, there was already a problem with that person's thought process, not with the president-elect


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Very misleading argument...in 2016 very few people are brash enough to outright say something racist or otherwise offensive, however dog-whistle politics are a very real thing and allow politicians like Trump and their supporters to hide behind a veil of plausible deniability. In my opinion I find it very hard to construct a coherent argument that Trump has not contributed to a resurgence of white supremacy and resentment when you consider how many of his most die-hard supporters are staunch members of the alt-right movement.
 
Very misleading argument...in 2016 very few people are brash enough to outright say something racist or otherwise offensive, however dog-whistle politics are a very real thing and allow politicians like Trump and their supporters to hide behind a veil of plausible deniability. In my opinion I find it very hard to construct a coherent argument that Trump has not contributed to a resurgence of white supremacy and resentment when you consider how many of his most die-hard supporters are staunch members of the alt-right movement.

I don't understand how this disproves my argument to be honest.


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This is just the beginning...anti-immigrant right wing parties in Europe are next to be elected. The west will become united as a front, led by Trump and his policies. It all started with Brexit and there is a lot more to come. The next four years will be very interesting..
 
I don't understand how this disproves my argument to be honest.


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1. The claim that Trump has not made any racist statements is only technically true. No, he has never said "I hate black people", but he has made plenty of coded statements where everyone knows what he means but has no way to prove intent without facing the ridiculous but all too commonly used counter-argument of "Well you're actually the racist one for extrapolating that meaning from those words."

2. The fact that someone who expresses those views much more boldly than other political figures in recent memory won the election then legitimizes those views. In recent years American society had been trending towards too much political correctness, where saying anything which could be interpreted as offensive was explicitly taboo and discriminatory statements were increasingly made behind closed doors. Donald Trump's political campaign has served to swing that trend wildly back to the other end. He may not have made new racists, but he has given them the courage and perceived legitimacy to swing those doors back open.
 
1. The claim that Trump has not made any racist statements is only technically true. No, he has never said "I hate black people", but he has made plenty of coded statements where everyone knows what he means but has no way to prove intent without facing the ridiculous but all too commonly used counter-argument of "Well you're actually the racist one for extrapolating that meaning from those words."

2. The fact that someone who expresses those views much more boldly than other political figures in recent memory won the election then legitimizes those views. In recent years American society had been trending towards too much political correctness, where saying anything which could be interpreted as offensive was explicitly taboo and discriminatory statements were increasingly made behind closed doors. Donald Trump's political campaign has served to swing that trend wildly back to the other end. He may not have made new racists, but he has given them the courage and perceived legitimacy to swing those doors back open.


I understand where you're coming from, but to be fair the only "racists" I have seen in the last 18 hours have been democrats that haven't come to reality with the results of the election. Twitter is NASTY right now. I can't wait until everything dies down and we can all just go back to mourning a dead gorilla
 
I understand where you're coming from, but to be fair the only "racists" I have seen in the last 18 hours have been democrats that haven't come to reality with the results of the election. Twitter is NASTY right now. I can't wait until everything dies down and we can all just go back to mourning a dead gorilla

Democrats are crying foul since they won the popular vote. Imagine this being the other way around, the Democrats would be celebrating and calling Republican/Trump supporters sore losers for questioning the electoral process. We all knew the rules beforehand, its time we accept it. Ironic isn't it that Hilary sent her campaign manager to tell her supporters to go home and not give a conceding speech last night? Again, imagine Trump doing that, the media and leftists would be all over him. The American electoral process has decided, people have spoken, its time to support Trump and hope he takes America forward. Normal ways of life will resume in a few weeks.
 
1. The claim that Trump has not made any racist statements is only technically true. No, he has never said "I hate black people", but he has made plenty of coded statements where everyone knows what he means but has no way to prove intent without facing the ridiculous but all too commonly used counter-argument of "Well you're actually the racist one for extrapolating that meaning from those words."

2. The fact that someone who expresses those views much more boldly than other political figures in recent memory won the election then legitimizes those views. In recent years American society had been trending towards too much political correctness, where saying anything which could be interpreted as offensive was explicitly taboo and discriminatory statements were increasingly made behind closed doors. Donald Trump's political campaign has served to swing that trend wildly back to the other end. He may not have made new racists, but he has given them the courage and perceived legitimacy to swing those doors back open.

What underlying racist comments are you referring to?
If I understand correctly, you're saying that trump getting rid of PC means basically he is opening people to being racist. If so, I don't think this is the case. I think that is a very extreme view of what a lack of PC means, although I respect your opinion. I personally think this overabundance of PC needs out. I 110% support equal rights in every way, shape, or form, however... I'm tired of it being a constant battle of whether or not what I'm saying will make 100% of America happy. I got ripped for opening the door for a girl two days ago and I was literally appalled. There was nation-wide news about random people getting upset because of the Washington "Redskins" being a racist and derogatory term. This is the kind of PC that needs to go. If this opens up a new swarm of racism, then again, that is not Trump's fault.


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Democrats are crying foul since they won the popular vote. Imagine this being the other way around, the Democrats would be celebrating and calling Republican/Trump supporters sore losers for questioning the electoral process. We all knew the rules beforehand, its time we accept it. Ironic isn't it that Hilary sent her campaign manager to tell her supporters to go home and not give a conceding speech last night? Again, imagine Trump doing that, the media and leftists would be all over him. The American electoral process has decided, people have spoken, its time to support Trump and hope he takes America forward. Normal ways of life will resume in a few weeks.

I'm buying you a drink.

What underlying racist comments are you referring to?
If I understand correctly, you're saying that trump getting rid of PC means basically he is opening people to being racist. If so, I don't think this is the case. I think that is a very extreme view of what a lack of PC means, although I respect your opinion. I personally think this overabundance of PC needs out. I 110% support equal rights in every way, shape, or form, however... I'm tired of it being a constant battle of whether or not what I'm saying will make 100% of America happy. I got ripped for opening the door for a girl two days ago and I was literally appalled. There was nation-wide news about random people getting upset because of the Washington "Redskins" being a racist and derogatory term. This is the kind of PC that needs to go. If this opens up a new swarm of racism, then again, that is not Trump's fault.


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If Moody's and other agencies (along with hundreds of economists) are right and Trump's policies increase the debt by $5+ trillion and lead to large job losses then I worry about what that will mean for us as dentists. At this point, all anyone can do is hope that their projections (and my opinions) are wrong or else it may be a very bad time to be a dentist.
 
If Moody's and other agencies (along with hundreds of economists) are right and Trump's policies increase the debt by $5+ trillion and lead to large job losses then I worry about what that will mean for us as dentists. At this point, all anyone can do is hope that their projections (and my opinions) are wrong or else it may be a very bad time to be a dentist.

The pledged tax brackets are in dentists' favor now, assuming they fall through. Trump's support towards new, small businesses also favors dentists (oh, so does his opinion that entry level jobs don't deserve an absurdly high minimum wage). Trump is a businessman and a VERY successful one at that, he knows how the economy works. Regardless of how much his haters emphasize how some of his companies failed, he crawled out of the holes he made and now sits in the 1% of the 1% of the 1... you get the point. For argument's sake, what if he proposes a risky economic policy? Chances are it won't fall through.. this is what checks and balances are made for.


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The pledged tax brackets are in dentists' favor now, assuming they fall through. Trump's support towards new, small businesses also favors dentists (oh, so does his opinion that entry level jobs don't deserve an absurdly high minimum wage). Trump is a businessman and a VERY successful one at that, he knows how the economy works. Regardless of how much his haters emphasize how some of his companies failed, he crawled out of the holes he made and now sits in the 1% of the 1% of the 1... you get the point. For argument's sake, what if he proposes a risky economic policy? Chances are it won't fall through.. this is what checks and balances are made for.


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I have to say that being successful in business does not correlate with how well one understands the economy works and make it better. It's just a different game.
 
I have to say that being successful in business does not correlate with how well one understands the economy works and make it better. It's just a different game.

You have to know a thing or two about the economy to make several billions though, no?


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The pledged tax brackets are in dentists' favor now, assuming they fall through. Trump's support towards new, small businesses also favors dentists (oh, so does his opinion that entry level jobs don't deserve an absurdly high minimum wage). Trump is a businessman and a VERY successful one at that, he knows how the economy works. Regardless of how much his haters emphasize how some of his companies failed, he crawled out of the holes he made and now sits in the 1% of the 1% of the 1... you get the point. For argument's sake, what if he proposes a risky economic policy? Chances are it won't fall through.. this is what checks and balances are made for.


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A few things:
  • I would rather pay a little more in taxes and receive a significantly higher salary. If my patients don't earn enough money that they can afford the treatments I offer, then I as a dentist am worse off for it.
  • Trump's net worth grew by 300% since 1987. The market has grown 1,336% in that same time period. I would say he is actually a rather poor businessman, and that is to say nothing of his 4 separate chapter 11 bankruptcies.
  • He was better off simply investing his inheritance and watching his fortune grow 4x faster than he managed as a businessman.
  • Risky economic policies are a matter of opinion. With every branch of government now Republican, there is far less chance that the dissenting view can put the majority into check as they did throughout the entirety of Obama's presidency. That said, this is the GOP's chance to prove whether their economic theories actually work or not as they have no one to blame but themselves if they do crash the economy.
 
Democrats are crying foul since they won the popular vote. Imagine this being the other way around, the Democrats would be celebrating and calling Republican/Trump supporters sore losers for questioning the electoral process. We all knew the rules beforehand, its time we accept it. Ironic isn't it that Hilary sent her campaign manager to tell her supporters to go home and not give a conceding speech last night? Again, imagine Trump doing that, the media and leftists would be all over him. The American electoral process has decided, people have spoken, its time to support Trump and hope he takes America forward. Normal ways of life will resume in a few weeks.

Hey, at least Hillary never said the election was rigged. At least Hillary's supporters weren't threatening to take up arms in the event of a Trump victory.
 
There's a lot of "at least Trump never..." we could throw out too


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Stating that the process is rigged transcends the presidential race, it cuts at the heart of American democracy itself. It is one thing to attack your opponent, to question their credentials, etc. It is quite another to question the entire premise of American democracy. What he has established in this campaign is a very dangerous precedent which I hope will not be repeated in future presidential campaigns.
 
I'm more concerned about the rights and safety of minorities than how this will affect my salary.

Exactly! Those who will be unaffected by his presidency don't give a flying **** about what may happen to these groups. As a racial, ethnic and religious minority I don't feel very safe around what appears to be the majority of the country. Either they detest my guts or are complacent in my oppression because "it's not a big deal bro". If you truly believe that Trump's rhetoric has not encouraged racists to come out of the woodwork and affirm that their beliefs are acceptable then you're truly naive. He was supported by the KKK, what more do I have to say? 🙁 (BTW I'm not a Hillary or Trump supporter)
 
Two of my friends had very scary experiences in the last two weeks. One Muslim classmate was walking to school and had a pickup truck pull alongside as the driver shouted to "go back to the country you came from you f*cking terrorist!"

A black friend of mine was leaving his surgery center and was talking to a friend in the parking lot. A pickup truck pulled up to them and the passenger shouted "what are you doing, plotting for Hillary? Go home!"

It is easy for us as white males to overlook these incidents because they don't happen to us.
 
Stating that the process is rigged transcends the presidential race, it cuts at the heart of American democracy itself. It is one thing to attack your opponent, to question their credentials, etc. It is quite another to question the entire premise of American democracy. What he has established in this campaign is a very dangerous precedent which I hope will not be repeated in future presidential campaigns.
I completely agree that his statement wasn't the smartest. But we shouldn't throw these he said she said claims out, because at the end of the day, more things that she said were disliked after looking at the polls.

A few things:
  • I would rather pay a little more in taxes and receive a significantly higher salary. If my patients don't earn enough money that they can afford the treatments I offer, then I as a dentist am worse off for it.
  • Trump's net worth grew by 300% since 1987. The market has grown 1,336% in that same time period. I would say he is actually a rather poor businessman, and that is to say nothing of his 4 separate chapter 11 bankruptcies.
  • He was better off simply investing his inheritance and watching his fortune grow 4x faster than he managed as a businessman.
  • Risky economic policies are a matter of opinion. With every branch of government now Republican, there is far less chance that the dissenting view can put the majority into check as they did throughout the entirety of Obama's presidency. That said, this is the GOP's chance to prove whether their economic theories actually work or not as they have no one to blame but themselves if they do crash the economy.

This "little more" is actually a LOT more if you look at the proposed brackets by Clinton, then look at the salary of a successful dentist. And we can speculate how many jobs will be lost/gained, but it's likely that you wouldn't lose as much revenue resulting from a "lack of patients" as you would from the loss of a majority of your salary from taxes.
And I'm no economist, but I don't think that a growing of net worth should be 1:1 with the growing of the economy. 300% is amazing, especially when you look at the sheer magnitude of how much he has made.


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I completely agree that his statement wasn't the smartest. But we shouldn't throw these he said she said claims out, because at the end of the day, more things that she said were disliked after looking at the polls.



This "little more" is actually a LOT more if you look at the proposed brackets by Clinton, then look at the salary of a successful dentist. And we can speculate how many jobs will be lost/gained, but it's likely that you wouldn't lose as much revenue resulting from a "lack of patients" as you would from the loss of a majority of your salary from taxes.
And I'm no economist, but I don't think that a growing of net worth should be 1:1 with the growing of the economy. 300% is amazing, especially when you look at the sheer magnitude of how much he has made.


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As I said before, I only hope that you turn out to be right and that I am wrong. But I will point out that 1,336% is much better than the 300% he managed. That is why I will invest my money in an index fund.
 
Two of my friends had very scary experiences in the last two weeks. One Muslim classmate was walking to school and had a pickup truck pull alongside as the driver shouted to "go back to the country you came from you f*cking terrorist!"

A black friend of mine was leaving his surgery center and was talking to a friend in the parking lot. A pickup truck pulled up to them and the passenger shouted "what are you doing, plotting for Hillary? Go home!"

It is easy for us as white males to overlook these incidents because they don't happen to us.

These issues have been going on for years!! Racism has been prevalent forever, how can you really blame the stupidity, ignorance, and lack of acceptance on one person?


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These issues have been going on for years!! Racism has been prevalent forever, how can you really blame the stupidity, ignorance, and lack of acceptance on one person?


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I think the reason why people place blame on him is because he ran for the highest position in our country while spewing hatred and affirming people's negative views. People tend to listen to their leaders (teachers, governors, presidents) and take what they say more seriously than if their neighbor or the random person at the grocery said it. A President should be uniting his country, not dividing it. Having a president that has preached against every part of my identity is terrifying and if you're not a minority of some sort you won't get it.

For those who voted for him and don't agree with his racist/sexist/xenophobic comments that put minority groups at further risk, will you stand up for your fellow humans if/when you see them being discriminated against? If so, that would be wonderful.
 
I think the reason why people place blame on him is because he ran for the highest position in our country while spewing hatred and affirming people's negative views. People tend to listen to their leaders (teachers, governors, presidents) and take what they say more seriously than if their neighbor or the random person at the grocery said it. A President should be uniting his country, not dividing it. Having a president that has preached against every part of my identity is terrifying and if you're not a minority of some sort you won't get it.

For those who voted for him and don't agree with his racist/sexist/xenophobic comments that put minority groups at further risk, will you stand up for your fellow humans if/when you see them being discriminated against? If so, that would be wonderful.

What's something racist that he has said??
Of course I stab against discrimination, people are people.


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What's something racist that he has said??
Of course I stab against discrimination, people are people.

Glad to hear it.

I was referring to more than just blatant racism, but here we go: Mexicans are rapists, Muslims need to be banned (religious hatred not racism although many Muslims are racial minorities), making fun of those with disabilities (like really?) and being supported by the KKK (white supremacist hate group aka ultimate racists). People who already have an ounce of resentment towards these groups are being told that it's ok to bully and attack them because the president thinks it's ok 🙄 Clearly not everyone who voted for him agrees with every single one of his views but the fact that there are people who do and are being encouraged is revolting.

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As someone who is planning to go into the healthcare field, just like everyone else here, I find this absolutely DISGUSTING. If you don't find anything wrong with this, don't go around saying "I wanted to help out the needy", "I feel sympathetic toward handicapped" or some other bs during your interviews, seriously.
 
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Hey, at least Hillary never said the election was rigged. At least Hillary's supporters weren't threatening to take up arms in the event of a Trump victory.

Rather than argue with you, I ask that we come together and unite behind the Republican party and presidential elect. Time to move forward as a nation
 
Rather than argue with you, I ask that we come together and unite behind the Republican party and presidential elect. Time to move forward as a nation
Agreed, even though I kind of support trump, as a minority I am somewhat starting to worry about how some of his radical followers may start to act. I hope there is no violence stemming from either side and we progress as a nation.
PS: the protests happening due to the election results are another reason why hillary lost, her supporters like war not peace.
 
Also, Harambe the dead gorilla got 11k votes! .....my generation is clearly smoking a bit too much
 
Agreed, even though I kind of support trump, as a minority I am somewhat starting to worry about how some of his radical followers may start to act. I hope there is no violence stemming from either side and we progress as a nation.
PS: the protests happening due to the election results are another reason why hillary lost, her supporters like war not peace.

The nation will be fine. These acts of violence and outrage after election results are common. It will all die down in a few days to a week. Minorities will not have to fear or be worried more than before. This sentiment towards immigrants and minorities has been present for years, it's been made more public since someone has openly said these things that aren't politically acceptable. What happened yesterday was that the silent majority voted for things they've sheltered for too long and wanted change after 8 years. These people who Hilary called deplorable, social media calls racist, islamophobic, anti-latino voted for the Democratic party and Obama in the past. They are looking for change, the same way there was change in 2008 with the Obama movement. We have a non-politician coming in and sweeping into power. In a way, it's great there is something new and it may progress into something great. He needs to be more professional and needs to unite more but that will be the case when he has his great team of Republicans leading/guiding him. People are over reacting and saying RIP America. Please...America survived much more in its history and it will continue to survive. And you know what else? This sentiment resonates throughout the world, including Canada, France, Germany, etc. You will see more world leaders unite behind Trump's policies, it's a change and this is how the world will be for the next four years. It's best we embrace it and learn to cooperate with one another rather than deny and find ways to avoid reality.
 

None of that is racist. He said ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico bring in rape rates (its factual). He didn't say muslims are terrorists, but that Syrian refugees have a risk factor of being in Isis and that this is not something he'd like to have in the country. Jordan closed their borders to Syrian refugees, is this racist or hateful?? No. But since trump is labeled as a racist by mass media, the inherent availability heuristic causes people to label this as racist and hateful. And for the KKK? I'm sure some of them support crunchy peanut butter over smooth, or iPhones over Samsung. Even the worlds worst people have opinions, but trump doesn't control that.


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None of that is racist. He said ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico bring in rape rates (its factual). He didn't say muslims are terrorists, but that Syrian refugees have a risk factor of being in Isis and that this is not something he'd like to have in the country. Jordan closed their borders to Syrian refugees, is this racist or hateful?? No. But since trump is labeled as a racist by mass media, the inherent availability heuristic causes people to label this as racist and hateful. And for the KKK? I'm sure some of them support crunchy peanut butter over smooth, or iPhones over Samsung. Even the worlds worst people have opinions, but trump doesn't control that.


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1. The claim that Trump has not made any racist statements is only technically true. No, he has never said "I hate black people", but he has made plenty of coded statements where everyone knows what he means but has no way to prove intent without facing the ridiculous but all too commonly used counter-argument of "Well you're actually the racist one for extrapolating that meaning from those words."

2. The fact that someone who expresses those views much more boldly than other political figures in recent memory won the election then legitimizes those views. In recent years American society had been trending towards too much political correctness, where saying anything which could be interpreted as offensive was explicitly taboo and discriminatory statements were increasingly made behind closed doors. Donald Trump's political campaign has served to swing that trend wildly back to the other end. He may not have made new racists, but he has given them the courage and perceived legitimacy to swing those doors back open.

Absolutely!
 
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