Anyone from Massachusetts?

[NDPitch]

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Wondering where you're thinking of applying. We are one of the states that gets the short end of the stick. There's Tufts, BU, and Harvard (might as well cross Harvard off, a lot of BU is out of state). There's UConn, who has a New Englad tuition rate, but getting an interview there is pretty tough. There's University of New Englad, opening this year. But they favor "northern New England", and I'm not sure I want to be the first class through a new dental school.

So after that, you're left with schools that are friendly to the out of staters. So where are you taking your chances to fight the uphill battle??

 

[sacapuntas]

Wondering where you're thinking of applying. We are one of the states that gets the short end of the stick. There's Tufts, BU, and Harvard (might as well cross Harvard off, a lot of BU is out of state). There's UConn, who has a New Englad tuition rate, but getting an interview there is pretty tough. There's University of New Englad, opening this year. But they favor "northern New England", and I'm not sure I want to be the first class through a new dental school.

So after that, you're left with schools that are friendly to the out of staters. So where are you taking your chances to fight the uphill battle??

It seems like you have a heck of a lot of options of where to go to school near your state...a lot more than most people not from CA.

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

3 schools in Boston? That's a lot of choices.

Imagine you were in Kansas, or Idaho, or Hawaii, or Alaska, or Montana, etc.

No dental schools in those states.

 

[NDPitch]

It seems like you have a heck of a lot of options of where to go to school near your state...a lot more than most people not from CA.

No I know. I'm not talking about vicinity. I'm talking about getting in somewhere. AKA no state schools. I'm willing to travel. I'm just saying as an OOS you're competing against more.

For example, only 70 people in connecticut applied to Uconn, and half got interviews. Compare that with over 1000 OOS applicants, and 100ish got interviews.

This is just me wishing I was one of the people that had a school that gave preference to in-staters to increase chances a little bit, ha. That's why I was wondering where people in MA were shooting for.

Also as far as having 3 schools in Boston, it's essentially 2. Cross Harvard off. I'm not a gift from God, lol.

 

[Zbtb7]

Hi! I'm from MA too. Here's my opinion:

Harvard-total crapshoot
UConn-they're obligated to interview a certain quantity of New Englanders. A lot of people get interviews but few Non-Conn OOSer's get accepted. 🙁
BU-doesn't really favor residents.


Leaving... *drumroll* TUFTS! Think of it as our safety. It's a great quality school with a massive (200 seats soon?) class size and takes a significant amount of people from MA.

It sucks that we don't have a low tuition state school like others but we still have a good chance of paying back tufts level tuition. The people that really get shafted are the MA girls who go off to Tufts vet.

As an aside, there really aren't that many applicants from MA relative to our population. I think as a whole, young people are a lower portion of the population in New England. In MA especially there's good opportunities for science majors in industry so people aren't totally gungho about getting into med or dental school.

 

[omnipoDent]

Hi! I'm from MA too. Here's my opinion:

Harvard-total crapshoot
UConn-they're obligated to interview a certain quantity of New Englanders. A lot of people get interviews but few Non-Conn OOSer's get accepted. 🙁
BU-doesn't really favor residents.


Leaving... *drumroll* TUFTS! Think of it as our safety. It's a great quality school with a massive (200 seats soon?) class size and takes a significant amount of people from MA.

It sucks that we don't have a low tuition state school like others but we still have a good chance of paying back tufts level tuition. The people that really get shafted are the MA girls who go off to Tufts vet.

As an aside, there really aren't that many applicants from MA relative to our population. I think as a whole, young people are a lower portion of the population in New England. In MA especially there's good opportunities for science majors in industry so people aren't totally gungho about getting into med or dental school.

You said that BU doesn't favor residents. I'm assuming this is accurate, but I'm not aware of Tufts or Harvard giving favor to MA residents either. If you can get in Tufts, then you most likely can get into schools OOS. If you're calling Tufts a safety for you, then you are probably also in the hunt for a spot at Harvard. Plus, BU's numbers are lower then Tufts, so you should have a great chance there if you're thinking Tufts is a safety. You would then be in the hunt for three schools in your area, which is not a bad deal at all. I realize you do not have any state schools, but you have three great schools right there and some people don't even have one in their state. You may not get preference for residence, but if you have the numbers you're not forced to relocate.

 

[Zbtb7]

You said that BU doesn't favor residents. I'm assuming this is accurate, but I'm not aware of Tufts or Harvard giving favor to MA residents either. If you can get in Tufts, then you most likely can get into schools OOS. If you're calling Tufts a safety for you, then you are probably also in the hunt for a spot at Harvard. Plus, BU's numbers are lower then Tufts, so you should have a great chance there if you're thinking Tufts is a safety. You would then be in the hunt for three schools in your area, which is not a bad deal at all. I realize you do not have any state schools, but you have three great schools right there and some people don't even have one in their state. You may not get preference for residence, but if you have the numbers you're not forced to relocate.

BU took <10% of their class instate while tufts took ~20% instate. Harvard took 1 MA resident out of their class of 34. The sum of the seats MA residents earned last cycle at BU, Tufts, and Harvard was (9+29+1=39).

I said Tufts is our safety because it truly is the safest option we have. It may not be a safety in terms of being a shoo-in, but more of a haven of sorts; our equivalent of a state school. But yeah I think we get the shaft because of how our own state's private schools hate us, considering how other state's private schools (USC, Temple, Nova, UoP, Pitt) heavily draw from in-staters.

 

[omnipoDent]

BU took <10% of their class instate while tufts took ~20% instate. Harvard took 1 MA resident out of their class of 34. The sum of the seats MA residents earned last cycle at BU, Tufts, and Harvard was (9+29+1=39).

I said Tufts is our safety because it truly is the safest option we have. It may not be a safety in terms of being a shoo-in, but more of a haven of sorts; our equivalent of a state school. But yeah I think we get the shaft because of how our own state's private schools hate us, considering how other state's private schools (USC, Temple, Nova, UoP, Pitt) heavily draw from in-staters.

Where are you seeing the numbers of the instate vs out of state for the classes? I was curious about roughly how much of my class will be from around that area. I had not been able to find it.

I thought the percentage of those accepted from MA for BU was higher than for Tufts.

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It's obvious that you do get preference for both, which is lucky.

 

[Zbtb7]

I took a glance at the predents.com data which is based on the ADEA. I'm not sure on those numbers and I'll have to wait for my copy of the 2012 ADEA to arrive before I can confirm.

 

[omnipoDent]

I took a glance at the predents.com data which is based on the ADEA. I'm not sure on those numbers and I'll have to wait for my copy of the 2012 ADEA to arrive before I can confirm.

Yeah, I think those numbers on predents are from 2007. I just looked at the Tufts dental page on predents and it still has the class size listed as 132. I believe it's about 175 or 180 now that the expansion is over.

 

[NDPitch]

I'm looking at 2012 book now. According to it, last year 167 people from MA applied to Tufts. 52 were interviewed. 47 were accepted. 32 of the 47 accepted and enrolled.


Too bad it costs 74 grand next year, PLUS living expenses. And then inflation for 3 years after that. Ugh.

Haha.

 

[Tatiana3325]

I'm looking at 2012 book now. According to it, last year 167 people from MA applied to Tufts. 52 were interviewed. 47 were accepted. 32 of the 47 accepted and enrolled.


Too bad it costs 74 grand next year, PLUS living expenses. And then inflation for 3 years after that. Ugh.

Haha.

Oh yah Tufts sounds $$$. But the area around tufts is a less expensive neighborhood I think

 

[Zbtb7]

Oh yah Tufts sounds $$$. But the area around tufts is a less expensive neighborhood I think

Chinatown FTW!

 

[Mr. Thirsty]

Wondering where you're thinking of applying. We are one of the states that gets the short end of the stick. There's Tufts, BU, and Harvard (might as well cross Harvard off, a lot of BU is out of state). There's UConn, who has a New Englad tuition rate, but getting an interview there is pretty tough. There's University of New Englad, opening this year. But they favor "northern New England", and I'm not sure I want to be the first class through a new dental school.

So after that, you're left with schools that are friendly to the out of staters. So where are you taking your chances to fight the uphill battle??

Ha. I know how you feel...those of us in Pennsylvania are in a similar boat...Pitt/Temple are both very out of state friendly and UPenn is private. Still sucks that Tufts and BU are so expensive and Harvard is....difficult to get. I'd say just apply to all OOS friendly schools throughout the U.S. and see what you get. That's really all we can do unless you want to change residency. 🙄

 

[dantemac]

Tufts is an amazing dental school which I would say is easier to get into. I find BU and Harvard to be the more selective of the three schools. As for UNE, it is a public health initiative, they are really looking to take new englanders and maine residents. UConn I believe is a very difficult school to gain admission to. None of my pre-dent friends were accepted there, and they all had 2+ acceptances elsewhere.

 

[omnipoDent]

Tufts is an amazing dental school which I would say is easier to get into. I find BU and Harvard to be the more selective of the three schools. As for UNE, it is a public health initiative, they are really looking to take new englanders and maine residents. UConn I believe is a very difficult school to gain admission to. None of my pre-dent friends were accepted there, and they all had 2+ acceptances elsewhere.

Dantemac, how's it going? Are you all ready to start at Penn?

Now, stepping back, does it matter which is more selective: Tufts or BU? No, it doesn't. I realize that. Obviously, it will not impact my education at Tufts if BU admission is more or less competitive.

Respectfully, I've just found Tufts admission to be more selective than BU based on those I've spoken with and followed in the admission process. I realize that's a limited sample size, but that's the experience I can draw from as a comparison personally. As for the numbers, while BU has fewer number of spots in their class, Tufts has higher average dat/gpa for their admitted students. I thought the chart made by doc toothache was very helpful, as it charted the comparison of the composite score for the different factors of dental admission.

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I believe the number of overall number of applicants is a little higher for BU between the two. While BU interviews 4% fewer applicants from OOS, Tufts interviewing 10% and BU 6%, BU accepts a higher percentage of those interviewed OOS. Also, BU both interviews a higher % of students from in-state and accepts a higher percentage in-state than Tufts with almost the same number, 167 vs 164, of in-state applicants.

Admittedly, I did not apply to BU. I had read about too many stories on here of the issues encountered by current students at BU. I'm sure they're not all accurate, but I also already had enough schools on my list.

Anyway, this is much ado about nothing, but I thought I would respond because I'd had a different experience.