Anyone have some info on Penrose?

[EC3]

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Strong program? Competitive? etc...

I did a search but everything seemed to be quite old. Thx.

 

[djmd]

I have heard it was a good private program (ie at a non university/med school hospital).

That being said such beasts are extremely rare in pathology. In fact I don't think I can name 3. (William Beamont, Penrose.... ? I don't count CC (CCF) as private)
So definitely makes the top 10 for private programs, but I don't know if there are 10 programs in its classification.

 

[mlw03]

i know nothing of this particular program, but most faculty i've talked to say to try to get into an academic program if at all possible.

 

[docbiohazard]

Given my interest in academics, I'm definitely trying to get into an academic program, but I've noticed that FRIEDA classifies the programs at Baylor and Methodist in Houston as "Community, University associated" or whatever... whereas UT-Houston is listed as "University-based"

So, I have to admit my ignorance here. I know that Methodist split off from Baylor relatively recently, and I can understand why Methodist would be considered a Community-based program - except they are "associated" with the Weill Cornell medical school up in the north-east... kind of wacky, really.
I can't understand why Baylor wouldn't be considered a University-based residency, however, given that they have a medical school, graduate school, do a ton of research, etc. 😕 Anyone have any thoughts or ideas?

(For those not too familiar with Texas, Baylor University is the Baptist college in Waco. Baylor also has a medical system, with a large medical / graduate school in Houston, and some residencies in Dallas as well...)

 

[106174]

(For those not too familiar with Texas, Baylor University is the Baptist college in Waco. Baylor also has a medical system, with a large medical / graduate school in Houston, and some residencies in Dallas as well...)

Actually, Baylor College of Medicine (BCM) in Houston is a product of a group of people falling out of Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. BCM and Baylor Dallas are now completely separate entities with the latter being affiliated with Baylor University in Waco. The Path residency program in Baylor Dallas is community-based but I've heard they have solid AP training and is very good for those who know they will do private practice.

 

[docbiohazard]

Actually, Baylor College of Medicine (BCM) in Houston is a product of a group of people falling out of Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. BCM and Baylor Dallas are now completely separate entities with the latter being affiliated with Baylor University in Waco. The Path residency program in Baylor Dallas is community-based but I've heard they have solid AP training and is very good for those who know they will do private practice.

See, even I didn't fully understand the delineation between the various Baylor schools and programs. 🙂

Still, any idea why the residency at BCM in Houston is considered "Community, University-associated" in FRIEDA? I can understand why anything at Baylor in Dallas would be considered community-based.

BH

 

[djmd]

The same reason why the Cleveland Clinic is listed as Community Based.
Because it is technically accurate. As in there is not a medical school/university directly associated with it.

I wouldn't take Fredia classification to mean anything.
Not for pathology anyways.

 

[sleeping beauty]

many university programs (we thought they are) are listed as university affiliated community programs: Indiana, Brown, MCG... I guess they are operated independent of the universities (finanacially). Univ of Penn has one university based program (HUP) and a community program (Penn Hosp).

 

[Gut Shot]

Actually, Baylor College of Medicine (BCM) in Houston is a product of a group of people falling out of Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. BCM and Baylor Dallas are now completely separate entities with the latter being affiliated with Baylor University in Waco.

From Baylor College of Medicine's website:

In 1900, a small group of dedicated physicians and community leaders started a medical school in Dallas to improve the practice of medicine in North Texas. The fledgling school was called the University of Dallas Medical Department, although no such university existed. The school opened its doors Oct. 30, 1900, with 81 students.

The young medical school needed a true affiliation with an established university to survive, and, in 1903, an alliance was formed with Baylor University in Waco. At that time, the name changed to Baylor University College of Medicine. The College struggled in those early years to improve its curriculum, facilities, faculty, and students, and, by 1918, it was the only private medical school in Texas.

Over the next several decades, the College continued to grow, but faced many financial challenges.

In 1943, the M.D. Anderson Foundation invited Baylor University College of Medicine to join the newly formed Texas Medical Center. The College opened in Houston July 12, 1943, in a converted Sears, Roebuck & Co. building, with 131 students. Four years later, the College moved into its present site in The Roy and Lillie Cullen Building, the first building completed in the new Texas Medical Center.

In 1948, Michael E. DeBakey, M.D., joined the faculty as chair of the Department of Surgery, and the following year, The Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences was established. During the next several years, the College began its affiliation with a number of hospitals, which created superior training facilities for students and residents.

The College's rise in prominence began in the 1950s when Dr. DeBakey's innovative surgical techniques garnered international attention. The 1960s brought the first major expansion of College facilities, along with a major turning point for the institution.

In 1969, by mutual agreement, the College separated from Baylor University to become an independent institution. This encouraged broader, nonsectarian support and provided access to federal research funding. The institution's name changed to Baylor College of Medicine.

From Wikipedia's article on Baylor University:

In 1900, three physicians founded the "University of Dallas Medical Department", in Dallas, despite the fact that a "University of Dallas" did not exist. In 1903, it was acquired by Baylor University and became known as the Baylor College of Medicine, remaining in Dallas. In 1943, Dallas civic leaders wanted to build larger facilities for the university in a new medical center, but only if the College of Medicine would surrender its denominational alliances with the General Baptist Convention. Baylor refused, and with funding from the M. D. Anderson Foundation and others, the College of Medicine moved to Houston. In 1969, the Baylor College of Medicine became independent from Baylor University.

 

[Gut Shot]

Still, any idea why the residency at BCM in Houston is considered "Community, University-associated" in FRIEDA? I can understand why anything at Baylor in Dallas would be considered community-based.

Perhaps because of the curious fact that Baylor doesn't (yet) own its own hospital. It is affiliated primarily with Ben Taub, the DeBakey VA, Texas Children's and St. Luke's. The private Baylor hospital is scheduled to be completed summer of 2010.

UT-Houston is likely listed as university-based because of Memorial-Hermann, which is its university hospital.

Does affiliation data in FRIEDA matter? Not one iota.

 

[106174]

Still, any idea why the residency at BCM in Houston is considered "Community, University-associated" in FRIEDA? I can understand why anything at Baylor in Dallas would be considered community-based.

BH

I think it is because BCM is really not a university per se. They are just that - the Baylor College of Medicine and Affiliated Hospitals.

As for the Cleveland Clinic, they are a large community-based hospital that is very dedicated to graduate medical education. And they do have a medical school now - the Lerner College of Medicine that is affiliated with CWRU.

 

[sleeping beauty]

BCM affiliated programs are obviously community programs because they are not a part of BCM. they are community hospitals working with BCM!

 

[106174]

BCM affiliated programs are obviously community programs because they are not a part of BCM. they are community hospitals working with BCM!

I am not sure if you were responding to my post but when I said "Affiliated Hospitals," I meant St. Luke's, Texas Children's, Texas Heart, Ben Taub and the VA - all part of the umbrella that is BCM. When I interviewed at Baylor, that was how they called themselves - Baylor College of Medicine and Affiliated Hospitals. The community programs (mainly family practice programs) around Houston may be loosely affiliated with BCM but do not attach the BCM name to theirs.

 

[sleeping beauty]

BCM does not have its own "university programs". that's why they want to build their own. this effort triggered the split of Methodist, which was not BCM's either.

St. Luke's, Texas Children's, Texas Heart, Ben Taub and the VA...all are community programs working with BCM. (community programs within an academic center and with academic activities and service)

The community programs (mainly family practice programs) around Houston loosely affiliated with BCM are also community programs. (community programs emphasize more on service).