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hey duncan,
i'm in sort of the same boat as you...i don't know anything about living further away and commuting in but i do know my wife is going to look for work for next year (til then i'm bacheloring it)...anyway, i think it really depends on what field your wife works in...mine works in insurance and she has a masters degree...there are a LOT of good paying insurance jobs, one of which she'll hpoefully land....she has EU citizenship as well, but i'm not even sure how helpful that will be...she is taking french courses this year because a lot of the jobs want french speakers...i don't really think AB will have any detailed info on this...i'm not sure what way to steer you...pm me if you have any specific questions.
 
Duncan, it really does depend what field your wife works in. If she's in some sort of health job, she may need to earn Irish qualifications or take some kind of certification exams. There are quite a few non-trads here, some of them married, who have brought their significant others with them. One I know of has an OT wife, and she had to go back to the US to complete some training and then wait awhile to be recognized by the boards here. Eventually they do get jobs, it just might take awhile so you'll need patience. You might have your wife contact companies directly and find out what sort of things or qualifications she's going to need. You can also check out these links, they might help: http://old.emigrant.ie/living/

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/working_in_ireland.html

It is feasible to commute, if you so wish. Obviously it's more a pain in the butt than living in the city center, but plenty of students do it, those who're from the Dublin area and live at home. There's a train station right besides Trinity, which would be about a 10-15 minute walk to RCSI. I don't think there are any stations by UCD, but you could get the bus. If you went to UCC or NUIG, I don't think you'd have problems commuting either, but you'd also probably find relatively cheap(er) accomodation near the colleges.
 
Thanks leorl and badkarma for the advice. She's in the marketing/communications field, but is considering going back to school for nursing. She is thinking about applying to nursing programs in Ireland, so we could be in school at the same time. Yay for student loans.

Well, looks like I'll be filling out applications to Irish med schools. Definately Trinity, UCC, and NUIG, maybe UCD as well. Wish me luck.
 
Best of luck with whatever you decide! If your wife doesn't feel like going back to school, there should be no problem really getting a job in marketing and communications, especially if she can speak French or other languages.
 
Yup, she should have no hassle getting a job. Due to a number of reasons, Ireland is a major centre for tertiary industries such as marketing and teleservices, etc., which should suit your wife down to the ground!

As for commuting, a big headache, but worth it. Rent shouldn't be that bad. For On-Campus accom. in UCD I'm paying about ?3,000 for the year (Sept. 8th - May 25th or something), which works out at about $3270. That's about average for Dublin, and VERY handy. Also VERY hard to get, but it gives you a rough guide to prices. As regards Galway, you'd pay maybe $70 or $80 for a single room in the city centre. Yes, this means I think you should apply to Galway and never look back, you'll thank me later ;-)

Ah no, seriously I hope I was help to ya. Now, back to the bitter cat-fight this thread has descended into. Saucer of milk, anyone?.......
 
EU citizens can work with same rights and benefits as Irish citizen. If it is a field that needs some sort of certificate to practice in Ireland, that needs to be completed.

A non-EU citizen can work 25 hours/week no questions asked. I don't have the law anymore, check to see whether or not this is only for casual type work (waiting tables, working in hotel, etc). This change was only done about 2-3 years ago, to try to fill the number of empty jobs, as a lot of tourist places were under threat of closing since they couldn't get any staff, since everyone went to go work in IT instead since the money was better.
 
PaddyofNine,

You only pay 3000 Euro for rent in dublin? That sounds pretty low...my rent is 3600 - 3800 Euro on campus at UCC, and this is a shared apartment with 4 people.

SP
 
Roo, that's for people here on a student visa. I think what the other guy was talking about was bringing his wife here to work full time, in which case she needs a work visa and that brings about a lot of stuff / certifications/ qualifications/ etc. we students don't have to think about.

And UCD only 3000 euro??? damn...that's good. That's only about 350 a month, for a single room. Nice. Do you have to vacate at Christmas?
 
hey all,
i've paid 3380 for on campus accomodation at ucd for the year and this is a shared apt with 4 other people, no single rooms that i've heard about!
 
makes no sense, how can apartments at ucc be more expensive than ucd? that is wacky! Mine at ucc is right on campus, a few minutes away from the medical building, and houses international students only. what about you?

SP
 
hey,
my apartment is in the merville complex on ucd main campus at belfield...only sucky thing is that none of my classes will be on the main campus (i don't think) which means a 15 min bus ride at best, but more like an hour in rush hour...when i heard i got res i was excited (i still am, never had it during undergrad) but now i'm like "oh great, bus rides"...but yeah, that's the cost, 3380 euros for sept.8 to june 1st...go figure! i think that's about the only thing that'll be more expensive in cork than dublin!

to everyone on the boards, it's been great and i don't know when i'll be able to get bcak on as i leave for the emerald isle tomorrow afternoon...to those of you i've talked to but haven't met, i look forward to meeting you.
 
The Immigration office is now on the main drag on the south side of the River Liffey, a bit over from O'Connell. Can aks them what the current rules are. There is a big slice of folks doing casual work: most of the fast food places on O'Connell have hardly anyone Irish working there.

There used to be some classes at the Belfield campus back before the switch to systems-based academics. Biochemistry, early Public Health, and Medical Informatics were some of them. The remainder were at the Earlsfort Terrace. The Belfield campus is a proper sized university campus. Eventually the medical school will relocate from Earlfort Terrace down to the mothership Belfield. The building has already been sold, and vet has moved down already.

The residences are newly built, bright and clean. There is a good-sized living room and kitchen, but the individual bedrooms are pretty darn small. There is a weird deal with using energy cards to keep the lights on. Most folks were paired up with at least a few other students in medicine as room-mates. There were some single rooms apartments down in Blackrock apparently, one guy had one in 1st year, I don't know how he got it.

The rent at residence is also helpful in that you don't have to pay for the summer months, whereas most leases would be for a year only.

As a frame of reference, a modest 1bed apartment in D2 was about ~790 Euro/month + utilities, and that was a cheap end of things.

If you get tired of riding the Double Decker busses, you can opt for the motoscooter option. If you are adventurous, you can find a shop that will disconnect the speed limit control and you can really fly on the freeways! ;-) Of course, most of your driving is going to be on twisting Dublin streets. Commuting is pretty much going to be a way of life, as as soon as preclinical is over, you are going to go in hospitals on different parst of the city (Temple Street is up D1, Mater (some things will be there) is D2, St. Vincents is down in the 90210-aspect of D4, Coombe is way over to the east, National Maternity is D2 over by Trinity, etc. If you get a scooter or a dirtbike (which seem to be streetlegal in Dublin--cool) you can get your year's worth out of it. A car is an option, but parking is nuts (A small parking *space* in D2 was auctioned for like 40,000 Euros a few years ago). Plus you sit in traffic, whereas your scooter can weave a bit more alongside the cars. For parking, you can just heap your scooter up on a lot of sidewalk areas around town, instead of circling for a car space.

Best wishes,
roo
 
Originally posted by RPW
Hi,
I am a freshman pre-med at an american junior college. I am wondering about the 6 year programs listed on atlanticbridge.com.
When could I apply for an Irish medical school.
Would I need to take the MCAT?
Would I have a chance at being accepted?


Thanks
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Hey man. Think long and hard before going abroad. You might decide that it's the best idea in the world, but make sure you understand all the implications before you commit to it. If you're at a junior college, you still have every opportunity to go to a US school. I would urge you to stay at home, other people would encourage you to go to Ireland, but just look into it a lot. Not just about the requirements to get in, but about your career opportunities down the line.

I don't know if avoiding the MCAT has any role in your wanting to apply in Ireland, but if it does, it shouldn't. Studying for the MCAT sucks and everything, but it's nothing compared to Pathology or Medicine.

Anyway, best of luck whatever you do.
 
Originally posted by RPW
Hi,
I am a freshman pre-med at an american junior college. I am wondering about the 6 year programs listed on atlanticbridge.com.
When could I apply for an Irish medical school.
Would I need to take the MCAT?
Would I have a chance at being accepted?


Thanks
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Hi,

1) You would need the MCAT for all except Trinity. For some reason, Trinity does not require them at this point, but they may in the future, so you might as well take it to give yourself the most options possible. Wanting to avoid the MCAT is not a good reason to apply.

2) You'd apply in November of your senior year (I believe the application deadline is in November). Or, they year before when you want to matriculate - some North Americans have dropped out of their college to start medical school in Ireland, if they know this is what they want to do.

3) Your chances of being accepted depend on many of the requirements necessary for US med school - GPA, personal statement, and they seem to really prize extracurriculars and research work/publications. Pretty much for the most part, you should be competitive in terms of American standards in order to have a chance of getting in. Especially as applying to Irish schools is growing in popularity, increasing the competitiveness of getting in.

student.ie is right in that going abroad must be a carefully thought out choice. If you can, if your college offers a junior year abroad program, come over for a year as a student and see if the system and life away from home is for you.
 
RPW, the Irish medical schools do, indeed, have six-year courses and you do not need a degree or the MCAT in order to apply to them. They take about 130 North American students every year. Can't say what your chances of being accepted are because you haven't told us anything about yourself other than you're attending a junior college. Also, as Leorl says, they tend to consider more than just your academic record.

Des
 
Ok, I will tell a little about my self.

Currently I am a freshman at a junior college in the great state of Oklahoma. I am part of their honors society and also a pitcher on the varsity baseball team.

I am also doing community service once every 2 weeks and tutor at a local grade school every tuesday morning.

In highschool I had a 3.96 GPA with a substandart ACT of 23. I have that low of an ACT because I forgot my calculator in part because I tore my Achillies tendon in a basketball game the day before the test and I took the test in a boot, crutches, and on strong pain killers.

Also, within the next two weeks I will begin volunteering at the local ER.

So basically I am taking 16 hours of premed classes, playing college baseball, doing community service projects, and soon the be volunteering at the local ER.😱 😱 😱
 
3.96 GPA, volunteerism, tutoring, honors society, community service and sports activities...sounds good to me!

Des
 
This is the results of the big study on racism in medicine in the UK.

http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/racism

Some unfortunate stats:

? 62% of minority doctors and 41% of all doctors believe that ethnicity is a significant factor in access to medical training;

? 70% of minority doctors and 45% of all doctors believe ethnicity plays a significant role in early career opportunities;

? 87% of minority doctors and 53% of all doctors believe ethnicity affects access to training in medical specialties;

? 86% of minority doctors and 59% of all doctors believe it plays a significant role in career advancement.

These are the UK numbers, not Ireland, but in my opinion, Ireland is worse in this regard. At least in UK, there is enough uncomfortable people about the racism that they can talk about it and try to study and find ways to overcome it. In Ireland, it is just accepted more often than not.
 
RPW, you can always give it a go and see what happens. I'm not sure how far grades and scores go in applications for the 6-yr. programs. It would be helpful for you have to have more experience in clinical or research work, though. Especially as some of the programs in Ireland seem to be shifting towards requiring work experience before admissions into their medical programs (including for Irish graduating from secondary school). Maybe retake the ACT as that is a rather low score, and take the SAT as well, since the SAT is a more universally accepted standardized test than the ACT.

Also, you would really want to think before rashly jumping into any program. First, check to see that the school in Bulgaria is accredited by WHO and the ECFMG. You're playing with your future by going IMG, and you're playing even more when you go to unestablished or non-western european colleges.
 
If you're hoping to get into medical school based on high school exams, you would have to have taken AP's. I heard something about having a good chance of getting into an Irish school if you have 3 AP scores of 4's and 5's. I heard that a long time ago so I don't remember exactly what they wanted, but you might look into it if you had good APs.

If you have to go abroad, you'd be much better of in a school with a British-based system of education (Britain, Ireland, Australia). Any other system makes it more difficult to go back home afterward; even if it's a really excellent education.

Excuses about your ACT won't help any. You could have just taken it again, couldn't you? All that extracurricular crap doesn't really help either. You need something substantial that'll let you be compared with other applicants. The best thing for that is the MCAT. If you're already in college, going into a 6-year program abroad isn't going to speed things up for you anyway. You should just buy some Kaplan books on ebay and take your MCAT. No offense to Bulgaria or whatever, but you'd be mad not to at least give it a try at home first.

or did you do poorly in college and you're trying to apply to foreign medical schools with you high school stats hoping they won't ever know about your poor college performance due to your injured toe? can you not stay on in America because you ****ed it up already?
Maybe that guess is way off. I hope it is.
 
Just a friendly moderator reminder to keep posts civil. there's no reason for undue hostility or ridiculing - we're all in the same boat. Those newer to the game are more naive than those who've been through it, but remember that you were there once.
 
Originally posted by leorl
Just a friendly moderator reminder to keep posts civil. there's no reason for undue hostility or ridiculing - we're all in the same boat. Those newer to the game are more naive than those who've been threw it, but remember that you were there once.
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I second that. Also, please be aware that student i.e. is a particularly bitter and angry person right now. From his recent comments, I'm starting to think that he's probably not in medical school at all. Perhaps it's best to ignore him.

For the record: I know Canadians who were accepted for the six-year MB ChB programs in Scotland.....and they were only high school graduates. They are few and far between, but it's possible. RPW, send an e-mail to the admissions office for the various schools and take it from there.

Good luck!! 🙂
 
Ok,

Thanks for the help. I really don't like getting flamed for telling the truth but thats life, and I don't really suck at college. I am just looking at some options.

So I wanna thank everybody for the help.
 
Good good. I'm glad you didn't do poorly in college. It was just a guess like I said. It was a reasonable guess. I mean you were talking about junior college, then you start quoting your high school GPA. It's just a little suspicious. Even if you did get off to a bad start, you could always work hard from now on and things might go your way. -but you didn't get off to a bad start so congratulations and good luck. You will need to do well on some exams though whether ACT, SAT, AP, or MCAT.



Scottish Chap- I don't follow your reasoning at all. 1) Being in a poor medical school is the reason I'm bitter, so I don't see why my being bitter would indicate to you that I'm not in medical school. 2) Why the heck would I be so interested in discouraging people from going to med school abroad if I didn't feel so strongly about it based on my experience here? It just doesn't make sense.
 
Dear Student.ie

(Apologies in advance to Leorl - This is OT but I just couldn't keep quiet any longer!)

I know you are aware that there are a number of Irish people on this board. You have mentioned that you have Irish friends but I wonder if they would have ever befriended you if they knew the real you - a person who dislikes their country and is completely ungrateful for the opportunity it has given you. You are merely a guest in Ireland....a country which has given you an opportunity your own country did not. The type of ethnocentric language you use does nothing to enhance the already poor image of Americans abroad. In fact it very much reinforces the "ugly, arrogant American" stereotype. As an American graduate of an Irish medical school I find myself cringing with embarassment at your misguided ethnocentrism and your inability to acclimatize to a different culture and way of life.

I think it is unfortunate that you are occupying a place in an Irish medical school when so many students who really do want to study in Ireland do not get the opportunity to do so.

We have a saying in America, "If you don't like our country - get the hell out". I'm sure the Irish people on this board feel the same way but are too polite to post it here. So, I'll say it for them. If you would prefer to back in the good old USA and you dislike Ireland so much and the medical school is so poor and you are obviously becoming more bitter and angry by the day you should go back to the USA and reevaluate what you are doing. I'm sure you can obtain a leave of absence for a year and, in the meantime, apply for a transfer to those schools you think you would be happier attending. Personally, I don't think you'd be happy anywhere! Your problems are much more deeply rooted.

Despite your opinion, there are no poor medical schools in Ireland. The success of their graduates in North America and, indeed, throughout the world, is a testament to that.

No doubt I will receive the usual frenzied tirade in response!

Apologies to other SDNers.

Des
 
Hi Des,

As an Irish grad, could you please comment on the quality of your clinical experience in Ireland? A while ago, student.ie made the comment that (and I'm paraphrasing here) it's 3 years, but more like 1 year + 2 years waiting around for docs to show up. Someone also followed up by saying that he hardly ever saw consultants and was being taught by interns.

Look forward to hearing from you

SP.
 
Originally posted by sporter1992a
Hi Des,

As an Irish grad, could you please comment on the quality of your clinical experience in Ireland? A while ago, student.ie made the comment that (and I'm paraphrasing here) it's 3 years, but more like 1 year + 2 years waiting around for docs to show up. Someone also followed up by saying that he hardly ever saw consultants and was being taught by interns.

Look forward to hearing from you

SP.
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Don't pay attention to student i.e and don't trust anything he writes. He's a fool and he talks like a spoiled brat.
 
Sporter, all aspects of my medical education in Ireland were superb. I interacted on a regular basis with consultants as well as with interns. Nobody has ever graduated from an Irish medical school with deficient clinical skills. The clinical portion of the Irish curriculum is one of it's major strengths. Their graduates are well known for having clinical/ diagnostic skills which are generally superior to those of US medical school graduates who rely to a much greater extent on technology. (Leorl has addressed this frequently in previous posts). This is one of the reasons Irish medical school graduates are so attractive to residency program directors in the US.

I echo Friendly's sentiment.
 
Friendly?- oh the irony...

Des- You can't actually expect me to just swallow my 6 digit debt and leave without graduating. That's just silly. I'll 'get out of the kitchen' as soon as reasonably possible. If I had it to do over I wouldn't, but it's too late now. All I can do is discourage people making the same mistake I did or at least make them think it through fully.
I'm not ethnocentric, I hear the French and German medical schools are quite good. Also, when I say poor, I mean poor in their ability to prepare me to go home (which isn't their objective but mine).

sporter1992a- You wouldn't really be taught by interns much. You'd be taught by registrars (or sometimes SHO's), but sometimes they're better teachers than the consultants anyway. I wouldn't worry too much about who teaches you, I'm happy when anyone (consultant, reg, or SHO) is interested in teaching.
 
From what I've heard from 5th meds, interns and SHOs will be doing most of your teaching on rotations. Consultants usually couldn't be bothered teaching you or aren't around. This is the case in Cork but may be different in other universities.
 
I am also a student in Ireland and I am taught most often on the wards by the registrars. The profs mostly only teach if they're giving a scheduled tutorial.

Student.ie, I agree with you about some of your complaints, but you could stand to be less rude in presenting them. I, as opposed to DesOMalley and Friendly, think you should be able to express your opinion. It would be nice if it were done in a less inflamatory way though.
 
Welcome to the boards, jojo yy ! And a sound first post. We have to remind ourselves that not everyone has the same experiences - while for the most part international students are happy here, someone's bound to find a bad egg somewhere/sometime.

For those who've started at UCD, how're you finding it? 🙂 Hope everyone got moved in alright and are finding your way easily!
 
Hey guys, quick question about applications. For the personal statement "why i would be asset to the medical school?" Are we expected to answer specific to irish med schools, or is it a general question about medicine in general. I'm just wondering what to focus on.
Sorry if this was discussed before but i'm new and haven't had the time to go through all 800 and something posts 😱

thanks
 
hey there,
try to make it a bit of both...definitely you want to explain why you think you'd be an asset to the irish schools and that learning environment...i guess the secret is, if you can describe that adequately you'll really be telling them why you'd be an asset to any med school period, so you're killing 2 birds with one stone. but definitely slant it towards the irish schools...that's just my 2 cents...good luck
 
UCD is great! While a bit apprehensive at first, and a tad peeved cause I didn't get into the first medical year of the course (and instead have to do a 'premed'-like, foundation year), we're having a ball!

The subject material is interesting, and the lecture schedule is light. I'm gettin a job this year! 🙂

Everyone couldn't be friendlier. We had a big night out last night where med students from every year came out to (a) meet the fresher meds, and (B) get drunk. Or so it seemed. Anyway, we had a deadly night and there's a great fraternal, big-bro kind of an atmosphere in the faculty!

Hope you people are all gettin on as good!
 
hey paddyofnine, i thought that as medical students we're not allowed to work. am i totally misinformed or what?

hi everyone! i'll be in the southern part of ireland next week, then ending my trip in dublin to register for school. i'm so excited! i can't believe the time has already come to leave this place! see you all soon!
 
Originally posted by berkeleygirl
hey paddyofnine, i thought that as medical students we're not allowed to work. am i totally misinformed or what?
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That's what I thought too. Second year here is meant to be pretty tough goin', but to be honest at this stage they seem more concerned that we're having a good time and getting on as a class. Oh, and we are! I had me THIRD class night out last night. My head hurts, but my wallet hurts even more....

As one of the fifth meds said to me the other night, you might as well enjoy this year because it's the only year you'll have the opportunity to! Who am I to disagree? 😳)
 
good luck, berkeleygirl and have fun!!! 🙂
i'm a little sad about not being in ireland near my boyfriend but am happy to be in california soaking up the sun! i'm sure you will have a great time. the irish definitely know how to enjoy life!
 
yes i see paddyofnine, gotta really milk this year for what it's worth yah? wait so are we allowed to work then? i'll try to travel as much as i can too. but dude isn't it freezing to be traveling around in europe in december?

thanks lola! i'll miss the SoCal weather so much, already got my rain gear, it's all set and ready to go. just spoke with a native irish priest and he said that it'll be no good bringing warm clothes out there, since we'll have to buy the REAL warm stuff in ireland. supposedly the cold is like no other! i'm bringing the works---thermals, hats, gloves, scarves...the last thing i wanna be is sick all term long. goodluck to ya too, miss georgetown girl!
 
berkeleygirl,

as far as I know, you can work upto 25 hours a week without getting a special visa. Lots of employers apparently allow more than 25 hours and some pay under the table if it comes to that.

I can't believe you California kids! Ireland cold? HAHA. Like a lot of my classmates, I'm coming from Canada. No more -40 deg C winters for me! I'm bringing my tshirts and shorts!!! 🙂

SP
 
t-shirts and shorts? you may "catch your death of cold" Sporter! although i am a SoCal wimpy weather girl, you have to bring more stuff than that, just to be sure 🙂

thanks for the work info. if the school load isn't too bad i may consider a tiny part time job.

i'm heading off to the emerald isle on monday, cheers everyone and see ya there at fresher's! coolio.
 
don't get tooooo cold! brrr! it's not that bad really. i don't think anyway. the temp wasn't bad in london and i'd imagine it's not that different in dublin. as long as you have some wool sweaters, a warm coat, and a waterproof jacket you'll be fine! a scarf will come in handy too 🙂

i actually ended up at uci so didn't have to go to the east coast :clap:!!! my boyfriend's second cousin (or something like that) is a priest down here in irvine.
 
I'm in Dublin right now and it's shorts and t-shirts all the way...it's hilarious to see the Irish kids in their winter coats and scarves...it's freakin' september!
 
Gee...when I left a couple weeks ago, it was FREEZING. I was really cold, I was already in my North face fleece and had ditched the sandals. Maybe things have improved a lot since then. Anyway, it's not summer there anymore. I think that could have been why I was so cold - my body was used to hot summers lasting from like June to beginning of October. So when it started getting cold in August, my body went into hypercold or something 🙂.
 
so far this program is a breeze...at least for those of us with degrees in biological sciences...i've seen nothing yet that i haven't been taught at least 3 times before and from the look of the schedule it's going to be that way until after christmas, which is fine...gives me time to wait in line to register with the garda and find a job...by the way, if anyone has any tips on applying for jobs in ireland let me know, i'd greatly appreciate it! drop me an e-mail, [email protected]

had a great time at med day today doing the pom pom dance and just generally harassing everyone we came upon from the top of grafton down to trinity and back
 
hey guys,
i am an irish student pursuying my medical career in the states, and was amazed to find such a fervent response to this thread! Jaysus!!. There is no doubt you won't find a better pint or nicer people in europe so to any of you considering studying there I say go for it. You will become a fine doctor.
I will be starting my med. school at ross in january. undoubtedly some of you might question this decision. I was accepted at chicago med. ( finch) also, but declined. I have lived in chicago for the past five and a half years and did my undergrad at UIC ang some grad work at GSU. I thought long and hard before considering the IMG route, but could not come up with enough good reasons not to do it. Ultimately Ross will end up costing me less, the program is more condensed, and I am one of those people that believe that the material is the material no matter where you go. Also I am ready to get out of the states for a while , check out another little patch of the world!! BTW I missed out on med by 15 points in my leaving cert . I got 525/600 which I believe is something ridiculous like 99th percentile. Anyway I was crushed. Now I am thrilled. Life is funny you know. the states have been really positive, and I've got to travel and complete a liberal arts degree and meet some sound, sound people. I really can't wait to start at ross. who knows I might even try Australia for the residency.
Ultimately, the point of this post is that if you can travel and do medicine at the same time I would highly recommend it. The amount of people I meet in my classes who have never even left ILLnois, wisconsin, Indiana is scary. It makes you a more open minded accepting person, hopefully also leading to a more well rounded, physician.Plus c'mon....its the s**t!
To all of you at home, I am jealous. I miss the emerald isle. Hopefully I can swing home for a couple of weeks at christmas. Ah for the craic, a real pint and the wink and elbow nudge of delight' endemic to Ireland! Good luck to all of you. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about your decisions.Slainte, agus slan agus beannacht.

😀 😀 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: 😀 😀
 
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