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For the prosth/endo portion on the mannikin? How about for the live patient (anterior and posterior restorative)?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Anyone know the failure rate for the NERB (or CDCA as it's called now)?
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really freakin high this year actually! I regret taking cdca and I would discourage anyone from taking it. luckily I am completing a pgy1 and god forbid I fail my adex retake, then I will just take WREBs next year.
at my school (case dental) there was over a 50% fail rate.
at my school (case dental) there was over a 50% fail rate.
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Wow really? I graduated from Detroit Mercy this year and took the NERB (or CDCA) and thankfully passed. Most of our class passed.
I think it's a very unethical exam though and it should be eliminated.
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At tufts this year, approximately 1/4 have to retake at least one part of the mannikan exam (we got a message from our administration telling is that we did exceptionally worse than usual this year with endo). About 1/3 (50 students) have to retake at least one part of the clinical exam- we had a snow storm last weekend during the exam, so a number of people failed due to patients showing up late or not at all...lots of unhappy students. Everything went fine for me, since I had good patients that showed up on time. Historically I'm told our passing rate is usually over 80%. All in all, it was a pretty rough year for Tufts. Before people decry that tufts is terrible, we and NYU are the only schools that do not follow the "buffalo model", thus you cannot compare our stats to a random school with 50 students that can freely schedule their exam dates. Colleagues at NYU corroborated that the fail rate at NYU was similar this year for the manakin, no clue about clinical.
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Oh wow. It's been awhile since I created this thread. 🙂
I remember when I took the CDCA last year in Detroit Mercy, it was the first time that the buffalo model was implemented at our school. Our class size was 144, and the exam was a great success at our school especially compared to the previous year when the buffalo model wasn't implemented. That's weird that Buffalo and NYU didn't implement it; I wonder why? I like with this model that if a patient doesn't show up, you don't fail the exam and you can schedule the exam at a later date without penalty.
Like I said earlier in this thread, I think the NERB (or CDCA) is a bunch of crock anyway and should be eliminated for good. It is not at all an indicator of how competent a student will be as a dentist. It's really a gamble. The exam is set up in a way that the best can easily fail and a monkey with the right patients can easily pass.
I also took Canadian boards, and they don't require live patient exams as the US does. It's all written which is the way it should be.
Just took the clinical portion today. Not sure on the actual percentages but I noticed a lot of students struggling and students definitely failed in my row. I got through all three procedures but we will see how I did. I think the exam (especially the live patient part) should be phased out and I think it will be soon. Our dean has been telling the d1 students that they most likely will not have to do this, only time will tell.
Edit* Ended up passing ! Though a lot of my class mates at nyu failed. It was rough. I got lucky my lesions were ideal.
Edit* Ended up passing ! Though a lot of my class mates at nyu failed. It was rough. I got lucky my lesions were ideal.
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I think its hard for Tufts/NYU to implement the buffalo model because our schools are so gigantic...logistical nightmare, considering 150 or so register for the CDCA. We would have to radically alter the way our clinic runs.
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I think patient selection and preparation are the key. It is important to get a good lesion in an ideal spot. Working with less may be a gamble. Given an ideal lesion, the clinical exam should be pretty simple as long as each and every step are followed precisely. The goal of the examiners is to pass as many candidates as possible. I am sure of this.
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I'm sure of quite the opposite; that the goal is to fail as many as possible. Considering what happened at NYU this year, first with mannequin portion and then with patient portion... they're definitely not on your side.
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I agree. Last year at Detroit Mercy, I remember during orientation of the restorative portions of the CDCA exam, the chief examiner's exact words to our class was "We want this to be a success. We want you all to pass.". I remember him discussing the buffalo model. We had very few retakes in our class. Our first time passing rate was about 92%.
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I am not sure how you can come to this conclusion without actually examining the product the candidate has demonstrated. I am aware of the endo typodont tooth issue which occurred, but that is a rare if not one time mishap. I will categorically reiterate with first hand knowledge that there is no incentive to fail students, the goal is to pass as many as possible.
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The endo tooth wasn't the only issue with mannequin, actually. There were several students who followed instructions given to them by the CFEs who then proceeded to have their test invalidated due to the instructions they were given. I heard multiple people talking about it.
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Hard to imagine. Examiners are calibrated the day before each exam and CFE's are some of the most experienced examiners.
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Hard to imagine or not, it's the truth. CDCA big time messed up at NYU this year.
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I found the CDCA to be very reasonable on the live patient examination so far. I just finished the CLASS II and CLASS III no problem.
Mostly everyone is passing everything!
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Pre-dent here. Can someone please explain how the NERB is unethical and so controversial? What happened with NYU this past year?
It is unethical because sometimes students will 'baby sit' small carious lesion (barely barely barely into the DEJ) until it is time for their exam. Also, some people will try to change the angle of the radiograph to make the carious lesion look bigger to get the case qualified.
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You also have to bribe patients to show up
From 2004: https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/finally-finished-with-the-nerb.120534/#post-1428007
"And to ensure that my patients show up, I resorted to what every NYU student does: bribe them to come in. 😀 😀 😀 It was customary down there in NYC to pay your patient $150 per procedure (!) for the NERB. Me, I managed to lure them in with a mere $50 per.
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From 2004: https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/finally-finished-with-the-nerb.120534/#post-1428007
"And to ensure that my patients show up, I resorted to what every NYU student does: bribe them to come in. 😀 😀 😀 It was customary down there in NYC to pay your patient $150 per procedure (!) for the NERB. Me, I managed to lure them in with a mere $50 per.
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