Anyone take the MAT?

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So the MSW program I want to get in takes scores from either the GRE or MAT. I never even heard of MAT (Miller Analogies Test) before. Has anyone taken this? I do pretty well on tests, and I just bought a study book with practice test, but I'd like to hear from someone who took it already.
 
The MSW requires a test for entry? Is your GPA under 3.0 or are you many years out of school?
 
Some MSW programs require it. I think the number is minimal. I don't think I've ever seen one ask for the GRE or MAT. Most of us psych people end up taking the GRE. My first choice is an MSW that doesn't require the GRE, but I'm taking it anyway because EVERY other program I'm applying for wants it.

So that's something to think about, I think the GRE would be more useful to you.
 
Huh...every school I've looked at asked for an entrance test. Maybe it varies by state? Oh, well, I was hoping someone took it and can give me their experience, but I'll just study up 🙂
 
To clarify, I mean I've never seen a school ask for the (GRE or MAT), but I have seen them ask for the GRE. Does that make sense? I have still seen more brick and mortars NOT require it than do require it.
 
The MAT is totally verbal. You're asked questions by a test administrator and you have to answer them. The MAT is falling out of use, although in terms of sheer numbers a lot of schools still use it. Sometimes the School of Graduate Studies will require the MAT whereas the Department/School of Social Work (or Psychology or MFT, or what have you) requires the GRE. My sister applied to a school that did it this way, and she had to take both.
 
Huh...every school I've looked at asked for an entrance test. Maybe it varies by state? Oh, well, I was hoping someone took it and can give me their experience, but I'll just study up 🙂

In Texas, to get into a public graduate school you have to take the GRE. Schools of Social Work managed to lobby to get an exception. This is somewhat scary, especially if you look at the break down of averages and standard deviations for scores that ETS puts out. They certainly aren't wanting to have people take it because they assume that people would do well on it.
 
Why on earth would they want an exception? I don't understand their reasoning...
 
BST -- the following is just a guess, as I've never heard it justified by a SW program before, BUT I think that they don't require the GRE for two reasons.

1. A lot of the programs, even the in person programs, tend to accomodate people already in the field. This means non-trads (for all the bajillion reasons that non-trads go back). It may make the program more attractive to non-trads if they don't have to take some type of entrance exam. As a non-trad, I'd say this isn't particularly true for myself, but is for many of my fellow undergrads going back after a long absence. I tend to test well, and I'm certain I'll test well enough to get into masters programs. Doctorate no, but masters, yes. However, as a non-trad there is nothing like finally working your way through to the place where you need to be, despite all the hardships, only to find that there is a test, lurking there in the darkness, to judge your worthiness. It can cause a lot of stress.

2. My personal theory on WHY SW programs don't rely as heavily on the GRE is that it is because of their political/social justice ideology. Tests don't take into account the WHOLE individual. Tests can be slanted towards one population and scores don't represent the entire picture. I have not seen the statistics for how well the GRE predicts performance in grad school, but I'm guessing its not even close to 100% (my random guess would be not more than 66%). The last time I did research on how well entrance exams predict success -- it was on the ACT/SAT (back in 2002) and the percentage was right at or just less than 50%. I mean, really? All the while ACT claiming that they have a very high predictor rate. I had this discussion with one of my professors, and she stated the GRE folks are aware of the gap in prediction, and that's a partial reason for all the recent revisions. I feel like I should quote you some research, but really, I'm being lazy. 😛 Also, to be honest, its one of those topics that is so hotly debated I feel ridiculous quoting a study for, because someone else could just pull up 4 other studies that state something very nearly the opposite. There is SO much information on it, all I can say is you'll have to decide this one for yourself 🙂 Oh hey, so that I'm not so insanely lazy, here is the ACT's statement of predictive validity!

http://www.act.org/research/policymakers/pdf/PredictiveValidity.pdf

And here is the GRE's statement (that doesn't actually give you any numbers), but points you to more research.

http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/GRE/pdf/gre_research_validity_data.pdf

In my nationwide search for high quality SW programs, I was really super surprised at the number of programs that didn't require any kind of entrance exam at all. There were a number of programs that did, like Hunter. But what I found to be more common, was that even respected state universities, even where EVERY OTHER master's program required some type of entrance exam, the SW was one of the lone wolves that did not. At first I attributed this to "suckiness" or "lame azz" programs, but really, in the end I think its more about ideology than anything else.

That said, I don't think that standardized entrance exams should be thrown completely out, but rather just looked at in the "whole picture" of things. I think not doing well on one can tell you just as much about the person as doing well on one -- but only in comparison to the rest of their CV. I'm one of those people that do REALLY well on multiple choice tests. I feel like I test better than what I actually represent -- so sometimes scores mis-represent you in the opposite way.

tl : dr version

In my personal opinion the social work programs that don't require the GRE do it for twofold reasons. Political/Social Justice ideology and to make themselves more attractive to people already in the field.
 
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Thank you. That is helpful. I wouldn't have thought of it in those terms.
 
There's also the other reason. More students = more money. I would almost compare it to entry requirements for Psy.D. programs.
 
Well you know Bellows, I wondered that, but in the 3-4 state universities that I was really digging up numbers for, it's not like their MSW program let in an enormous number of students as compared to the MA in Counseling Psychology, or MA in Ed Community Counseling at the same school. I'm really sorry that I don't remember numbers (as this was just for my own research), but I don't recall enough of a discrepancy to set off red flags in my head. If anyone has better data than my shoddy late night memory, I'd like a refresher lol.
 
I think there are more LCSWs than other similar-level clinicians. That's just from my own anedctodal experience, though...
 
It must be something about the South. I'm from Ohio, and most of the schools there require the GRE, and I have never seen a school that gives the option of the MAT for any program. Now I'm in Georgia, and I've seen a couple degree programs give the option of taking the MAT. I'm scared that I won't do very well on the GRE because I do not test well on math, so I decided to do the MAT. I still haven't taken the actual MAT, but I've been taking practice tests and studying. The MAT is pretty much a trivia test of analogies. You need to know a wide range of trivia from a wide range of subjects in order to match them up. It's kind of like studying to go on Jeopardy. It would be fun if it wasn't so important!! Just sharing for anyone else trolling the boards who might need to know. 🙂
 
I took this for grad school and did very well. To do well, you may want to consider brushing up on vocabulary. I think I learned 1000 or so new words.
 
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