Anyone turn down an allopathic school to go osteopathic?

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  1. medicine2006

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    I really like the osteopathic philosophy. I think that OMM is great and I absolutely LOVED PCOM. My dilema is that I have an aceptance to an allopathic school. For me the MD might be better because I might want to practice in other countries and the MD is the more universally accepted degree. In other countires like Britain osteopaths are trainned just like DCs.

    Just curious to see what others think and for those that decided to go DO after getting into MD schools your stories are most appreciated.
     
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    Hello, medicine2006:

    The primary issue when making your decision is this: Residency opportunities.

    Choose PCOM if you're interested in Primary Care, i.e., Int. Med., Pediatrics, Fam. Prac. This is based on the fact that you're still eligible for excellent Allo. Residency programs graduating from an Osteopathic school.

    With other fields, there are other factors that you need to have in your Residency application, e.g., high COMLEX1 and USMLE1 scores; graduating from a recognizable school; and Clerkship Honors (more often than not: Research, also).

    Get a copy of both schools' recent Match Lists to help make your final decision. In the long run, a difference in tuition cost of a few thousand per year will seem negligible.

    I know one student that turned down an offer at SUNY-Syracuse to attend the Osteo. Med. school in New York because of personal factors and a little bit of insight individual to him. He happens to be the student that I admire most in the class. I don't go around asking students at my school where they were alternatively accepted.

    Good luck.
     
  4. John DO

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    This is totally your decision, tough as it may be. I was faced with the same decision, yet decided to attend KCOM (an osteopathic school--THE osteopathic school!!). My decision involved many factors, but one of them was the universal acceptance of the MD degree. I would rather be involved in a profession where i can truly make a difference, rather than be associated with a profession that grants degrees freely (before anyone gets mad, refer to the many caribbean schools where one can purchase an MD--Re: Univerity of Antigua). You may have to face ignorance at some point, but, for the most part, after traversing the medical school path and entering the profession, you will not suffer discrimination because of your degree.

    I could not, with good conscience, practice knowing that a tool was available (OMM) that could help even one of my patients and I was unable to use it. This is a very big reason to "go D.O."
     
  5. Doc AdamK in 2006

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    Right now I'm on the waitlist at SUNY UB and SUNY SB. I really love the osteopathy, however based on many factors including research, residencies, money, and a possiblity of going back home, I might select those schools over NOVA.

    Good luck with your decision.

    It seems so expensive to go to NOVA compared to SUNY UB.

    I could spend 13K instead of 27K on tuition. Spend $0 on housing at UB (I live 5 mins from the school) and NOVA would be about 10K per year.

    So it is like saving $100K over 4 years.

    Good Luck, again

    AK
     
  6. lala1979

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    Hey Doctor K
    I am in Nursing at SUNY Buffalo. I just wanted to say what's up? :)
     
  7. Doc AdamK in 2006

    Doc AdamK in 2006 Now 2 year UB Med Doc

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    Hey lala1979:

    If you know anyone on the admissions committee, tell them that Adam Kotowski really wants to get in.

    Well I hope I will get to work with you someday.

    What year?

    Have a great day

    AK
     
  8. Doc AdamK in 2006

    Doc AdamK in 2006 Now 2 year UB Med Doc

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    Hey lala1979

    How do you like the Med students at UB.
    Are they friendly. Are the nursing students friendly.

    AK
     
  9. PACmatthew

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    I was accepted at an MD school in Texas (Texas A&M), and a DO school in Texas (TCOM). I chose the DO program and will start in the summer. I am a PA (essentially an allopathic profession), and am frustrated with the inability to treat simple musculoskeletal problems without overprescribing meds. As a PA, I know I definitely want to go primary care (FP), and I would not have chosen DO if my desire was to be a surgeon or medicine subspecialist.

    And in Texas, all schools are the same price. The DO school is one of the state schools like all the UT schools. Thus, if an MD program is that much cheaper and equally convenient for you, it sounds like a good option as well. In the end, you will be a physician.
     
  10. smedly

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    Med2006,
    You mentioned something about British osteopaths being like a DC ....do other countries have anything called osteopaths?

    I don't think you would have applied to both MD and DO if you believed solely in the DO philosophy. You probably just want to be a doctor.... no matter what. Like many of us, you applied to both to maximize your chance of gaining accpetance, right?
    If I got into both, I'd go MD. DO is great, it's the same education (plus), but it seems to be more of struggle. Take both boards (comlex and usmle) and then compete for MD residencies against MDs.....why fight this battle if you don't have to.

    This is just my opinion but I think the order for most applicants goes MD, DO and then we all head to the caribbean MD schools.
     
  11. Stillfocused

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    D.O. international practice rights summary:

    <a href="http://www.studentDO.com/first.htm" target="_blank">www.studentDO.com/first.htm</a> click to Programs --&gt; International health --&gt; International Practice Rights. (Sorry for no direct link)

    Also, see the thread "Truth or Myth: DO's can't practice overseas?" in the Osteopathic Forum or seacrh it with the keyword "international" for a complete treatment of the issue.
     
  12. Dr JPH

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    Just be advised...the list at StudentDO is great. But it is only updated up to a few years ago.

    I think there are a few countries who are on that list as "no practice rights" where they may now be listed under "limited rights" or "full rights".

    For the most updated info, I would email the AOA. I did, about a week ago, and hoping for a response soon.

    JPH
     
  13. John DO

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    That is an encouraging list, since, even as of three years ago, we had practice rights in many countries. The list is not updated, however, bc I am aware of a D.O. with unlimited practice rights in Australia and another in Belize, so there are undoubtedly others. In fact, KCOM is in the process of setting up optional rotations in Belize effective for the Class of 2005.
     
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    Let us not forget that in the midst of all this primary care talk, DO's often specialize. I've met DO neurosurgeons, orthopedic surgeons, nephrologists, neonatologists, etc. I understand that that DO philosophy indirectly dictates a natural gravitation towards primary care, but let's not forget (for the sake of those considering osteopathic medicine) that becoming a specialist is also possible.

    Peace
     
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    I feel like there have been threads on this before, because posting this feels very deja vu to me. Try a search of this topic too, and you'll find more who chose DO over MD. I chose DO over two MD schools, one in-state (Wayne State) and one out-of-state (Vermont). I want to learn OMM, so I chose DO. I was not/am not worried about not being able to go into whatever specialty I want. I grew up in Michigan, and worked at a hospital in Lansing for a few years before applying. At that hospital, there were cardiac surgeons, ER attendings, Ortho, infectious diseases, pulmonary, you name it, specialists who were DOs. The "stigma" doesn't bother me. It was practically non-existent at the hospital I worked at, and I don't notice it at the hospital in Maine that I am working at now. If someone thinks I am less of a doctor because I am a D.O., then they can go see an M.D. If some person asks if I went to DO school because I didn't get into MD school, I just say I went to DO school because I wanted to be a DO. There's no need to even tell them that I got accepted to MD school, and turned down MD interviews to go to DO school. By doing that, it's like acknowledging that MD is better. Go where you want. If you are worried about "Stigma" or limited practice rights or not being able to specialize in whatever you want, all arguments that I have a different opinion about, then maybe MD school would be better for you. Choose what is better for you. I like my OMM classes, but they are an extra class and they do require alot of extra work. I had an exam this morning, and just yesterday I found myself chuckling about how I wouldn't have this exam if i had went to MD school, but I wouldn't have these skills that I wanted to have either.
     
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    For me, the choice was clear for osteopathic medicine. As a graduate student at an allopathic school, I have been able to assess the differences between MD and DO programs. Through experiencing the curriculum firsthand and discussions with 1st and 2nd year classmates/ friends, I decided to apply to only osteopathic schools, while I could have definitely gotten in at this particular MD school with my scores/grades (according to the chair of the admissions committee). I am confident in my decision to pursue a DO degree where I can treat patients with the full armamentarium available, especially OMT. Good luck in your quest and in the end, it's all what you make of it.

    ~Hillary :cool:
     
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    Thank you everyone for your thoughtful responses. I will revisit the osteopathic school and the allopathic school that I have been accepted to in early april and come to my final decision. I will also talk to my pre-med advisors. I believe that either path will fulfilling. This decision is still tough.
     
  19. lala1979

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    Hey there Dr K
    All the health majors are on South campus(Main street) We all have lunch around the same time, so I see the same faces often. The Med students seem pretty friendly. My nursing peers are the best people I have become friends with thus far at UB. The School of Nursing, PT, OT, Exercise Science, Dental and Med school are all on the same campus. Most of the pre-reqs are the same for all the UG health science majors here:physio, patho, micro, etc. Pre-Pharm also take those classes with us, but they are on North I think for some reason.
    I am in clinical now with a few Med students and they are pretty nice as well.
    I thought about applying for Med school here, but I really want to go to NYCOM, and I am also from Buffalo so I REALLY need to get out soon. It's a nice city but I just want to leave for a while.
    Well good luck to you, and if you have any more questions just ask.
    Class of 2003(5 years:(((()
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by John DO:
    <strong>My decision involved many factors, but one of them was the universal acceptance of the MD degree. I would rather be involved in a profession where i can truly make a difference, rather than be associated with a profession that grants degrees freely (before anyone gets mad, refer to the many caribbean schools where one can purchase an MD--Re: Univerity of Antigua). </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is the dumbest thing I read all day.
     
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    Tazdoc,

    Essentially you are correct. I only interviewed at TCOM and Texas A&M COM, but at my interview, both of my interviewers told me that I would be admitted if I chose to come. I believed them because my credentials were excellent. I have been a PA in family medicine for 4 years, and they made it known that they wanted my leadership and experience. It was an incredibly hard, pain staking decision, but in the end TCOM left me with better options and I like their curriculum a great deal more. So I ranked TCOM number one and A&M number 2. But if TCOM had not taken me, I would be going to Aggieland.
     

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