AOA-ACGME merger update - orthopedic version

[Gen3ricDO]

Does anyone know when programs start sending out invites?

Last year a few were out in September. The majority in October and a few in November.

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[JJacobsDO152]

Fairly certain Larkin is closing. Classmate who is a resident there just informed that the PD is leaving soon.

 

[DrMcLovin]

Update from this past weekends RRC meeting:

1 program initially accredited:
- HCA Healthcare/USF Morsani College of Medicine GME: Largo Medical Center Program

6 Programs reviewed and rejected/continued pre-accreditation:
- Larkin Community Hospital Program
- Garden City Hospital Program
- Mountain View Regional Medical Center Program
- Aultman Hospital/NEOMED Program
- St Anthony Hospital Program
- Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine Program

As of now 35 of the 41 osteopathic orthopedic programs that applied are accredited by ACGME.

Last chance for the remaining 6 is April 2020. Hoping a few more can squeeze it out.

 

[DNC127]

Yo PCOM still not having it is NUTS.

Super glad for the DO community that 35 made it and possibly more. Way better than many were thinking it would be even a year ago at this time.

 

[DarkHorizon]

Update from this past weekends RRC meeting:

1 program initially accredited:
- HCA Healthcare/USF Morsani College of Medicine GME: Largo Medical Center Program

6 Programs reviewed and rejected/continued pre-accreditation:
- Larkin Community Hospital Program
- Garden City Hospital Program
- Mountain View Regional Medical Center Program
- Aultman Hospital/NEOMED Program
- St Anthony Hospital Program
- Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine Program

As of now 35 of the 41 osteopathic orthopedic programs that applied are accredited by ACGME.

Last chance for the remaining 6 is April 2020. Hoping a few more can squeeze it out.

Pleasantly surprised with Largo making the cut, equally disappointed with PCOM and St. Anthony still on the outside.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Pleasantly surprised with Largo making the cut, equally disappointed with PCOM and St. Anthony still on the outside.

St. Anthony is still actively trying and making changes. Things aren't looking good but at least they haven't thrown in the towel.

 

[JJacobsDO152]

Update from this past weekends RRC meeting:

1 program initially accredited:
- HCA Healthcare/USF Morsani College of Medicine GME: Largo Medical Center Program

6 Programs reviewed and rejected/continued pre-accreditation:
- Larkin Community Hospital Program
- Garden City Hospital Program
- Mountain View Regional Medical Center Program
- Aultman Hospital/NEOMED Program
- St Anthony Hospital Program
- Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine Program

As of now 35 of the 41 osteopathic orthopedic programs that applied are accredited by ACGME.

Last chance for the remaining 6 is April 2020. Hoping a few more can squeeze it out.

What happens to the residents currently at these programs? Do they just finish the program out? If the last chance is April 2020, that's way after the rank list for programs. Does that mean these programs won't participate in the match this year?

 

[DarkHorizon]

What happens to the residents currently at these programs? Do they just finish the program out? If the last chance is April 2020, that's way after the rank list for programs. Does that mean these programs won't participate in the match this year?

They finish at their current programs, programs not allowed to take new residents. They get to sit for boards and allowed eligibility. Once last residents graduate, programs close.

 

[JJacobsDO152]

They finish at their current programs, programs not allowed to take new residents. They get to sit for boards and allowed eligibility. Once last residents graduate, programs close.

So it's a done deal with these programs then. Either way even if they get accreditation in April, it'll be past the rank list submission. They won't have interns to accept into the program.

 

[DarkHorizon]

So it's a done deal with these programs then. Either way even if they get accreditation in April, it'll be past the rank list submission. They won't have interns to accept into the program.

They will have hundreds of applicants within minutes of getting accredited, likely better than what they would get in the match.

 

[JJacobsDO152]

They will have hundreds of applicants within minutes of getting accredited, likely better than what they would get in the match.

So will they still participate in the match this year even with having one more chance of getting accredited?

 

[DarkHorizon]

So will they still participate in the match this year even with having one more chance of getting accredited?

No, if they get accreditation, they will take interns outside the match, that’s likely gonna be the case. Incredible candidates go unmatched, they will get easily get studs outside the match.

 

[bic_atlantis]

What are the chances any remaining programs finally get accredited in April??

 

[DNC127]

What are the chances any remaining programs finally get accredited in April??

Low I would say. They haven’t gotten it the last few rounds, idk what would change. Especially since they only had like 2 months to address the deficiencies this time

 

[ortho3899]

Some of the remaining programs anticipate getting accreditation in April. They can take residents that go unmatched. So, I would consider research year instead of TRI since this is a rare opportunity for those of you who don't match ortho but are ortho or die. If you match/scramble and have a contract, you wont be eligible if these programs get spots available.

 

[DNC127]

Some of the remaining programs anticipate getting accreditation in April. They can take residents that go unmatched. So, I would consider research year instead of TRI since this is a rare opportunity for those of you who don't match ortho but are ortho or die. If you match/scramble and have a contract, you wont be eligible if these programs get spots available.

Can you name these programs?

 

[Gen3ricDO]

Some of the remaining programs anticipate getting accreditation in April. They can take residents that go unmatched. So, I would consider research year instead of TRI since this is a rare opportunity for those of you who don't match ortho but are ortho or die. If you match/scramble and have a contract, you wont be eligible if these programs get spots available.

You can get out of a TY contract if it was taken outside the Match and SOAP. If it was taken in soap etc. then you have to wait 45 days after July 1st, but you can still get out. I think a TY is a much better option as opposed to a research year for reapplicants.

You need to do research for 2 years because your pubs don’t show up the first cycle. And a TY year allows you to network and get letters for dual applications.

It will be a huge gamble to bank on these programs to get acgme accreditation.

If you don’t match, you should really try and think about long term chances versus banking on these programs who continually aren’t getting accreditation.

 

[bic_atlantis]

If you've already matched but get offered the recently accredited ortho spot, can't you ask to be released from your initial contract and sign with the other program??

 

[Gen3ricDO]

If you've already matched but get offered the recently accredited ortho spot, can't you ask to be released from your initial contract and sign with the other program??

The match is a binding agreement and so is the soap. It’s only binding for 45 days after July 1 though. You can’t get out of the contract before that without a match violation. If you don’t use the soap or main match then there is no match violation.

I suppose you could take the match violation which bans you from using the NRMP match The following 1-3 years, and just sign a contract outright, not sure your program would allow you to do this though because they’ll receive a match violation as well.

 

[ortho3899]

You can get out of a TY contract if it was taken outside the Match and SOAP. If it was taken in soap etc. then you have to wait 45 days after July 1st, but you can still get out. I think a TY is a much better option as opposed to a research year for reapplicants.

You need to do research for 2 years because your pubs don’t show up the first cycle. And a TY year allows you to network and get letters for dual applications.

It will be a huge gamble to bank on these programs to get acgme accreditation.

If you don’t match, you should really try and think about long term chances versus banking on these programs who continually aren’t getting accreditation.

Absolutely, it's a huge gamble. I don't want any applicant to take that lightly. Just wanted the info posted. All I can say is, I'm at one of the pending programs and we anticipate getting accreditation and then looking for new interns. Obviously, we have no idea but we made lots of changes that should address ACGME concerns. Also, covid complicates this and puts up an even bigger barrier. Idk if I would even take this gamble at this point. Do with this info as you will.

Good luck to all next week!

 

[bic_atlantis]

Would completing two TY years eliminate you from a 5 year ortho program due to funding issues?

 

[Gen3ricDO]

Would completing two TY years eliminate you from a 5 year ortho program due to funding issues?

Hmm technically no because your Medicare cap hasn’t started yet but the hospital would only get 50% of your last two years now rather than just last year. Why not do research after failing to match a second time? Another TY doesn’t add anything

 

[ortho3899]

Update: D/t covid, all acgme accreditation will be delayed so none of the programs will be taking interns after the match.

 

[paradoxshift]

Update: D/t covid, all acgme accreditation will be delayed so none of the programs will be taking interns after the match.

So no April meeting?

 

[LateNightChef]

So will they still participate in the match this year even with having one more chance of getting accredited?

Wondering if you could PM me about your research year, didn't want to further derail the program reviews thread

 

[Gen3ricDO]

PCOM got accreditation on 4-17

 

[Schwifty]

I know this is an old thread, but anyone know if Larkin is closing?

 

[JJacobsDO152]

^curious to know the above as well. Would mean there's only 2 programs left in the state of FL if Larkin falls through.

 

[DNC127]

^curious to know the above as well. Would mean there's only 2 programs left in the state of FL if Larkin falls through.

I have heard from people that Larkin thinks they will be getting accredited. No clue about their status other than this

 

[Scrubs101]

Garden City and Larkin both got Initial Accreditation status this past weekend

 

[DNC127]

Garden City and Larkin both got Initial Accreditation status this past weekend

WOW! Larkin was pretty much regarded as a lost cause even before ACGME from people I talked to. Good for them.

 

[DNC127]

Also, 4th years it would serve those coming behind you well if you would leave reviews of the programs you rotated in the review thread after rank list submissions are due but BEFORE match day so that they are less biased! Great way to give back to the ortho community.

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

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[DarkHorizon]

Garden City and Larkin both got Initial Accreditation status this past weekend

Wow, very surprised to say the least

 

[LateNightChef]

Does anyone know what was holding either of them up? Looking into Larkin next year bc of location