aoa/agme dual accreditation

[amyl]

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if internships are aoa/agme dually accredited can you apply through either the DO match or the MD match? hows that work?

anybody know anything about any of these programs -- like hours, etc. thanks

 

[clarence]

Thats a great question. I don't know for certain, but I was told by an attending at a dually accredited residency that as a DO student I must apply for any of these programs through the DO match. Anyone else know anything different?

 

[(nicedream)]

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[crockett]

if internships are aoa/agme dually accredited can you apply through either the DO match or the MD match? hows that work?

anybody know anything about any of these programs -- like hours, etc. thanks

I found about ten location that offered DO internships and MD ACGME institutions. I wanted to study Internal medicine and they allowed the DO internship to be counted both as a rotating internship and as a the fist year of a ACGME approved internal medicine residency. Other than my months on Pediatrics, OB-GYN and Family Practice I had the same schedule as the ACGME internal medicine residents.

Look in the DO opportunities book for institutions that offer AOA internships at large institutions with ACGME residencies. Then contact the program directly, often you will learn that the AOA internship will count as the PGY1 year of their ACGME program in internal medicine, Family practice, OB-GYN or whatever else you want to do a residency in. You will cut your residency training time by a year and get credit for doing an AOA internship which is required for a DO to get licensed in backward states like PA.


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[(nicedream)]

I found about ten location that offered DO internships and MD ACGME institutions. I wanted to Internal medicine and they allowed the DO internship to be counted both as a rotating internship and as a the fist year of a ACGME approved internal medicine residency. Other than my months on Pediatrics, OB-GYN and Family Practice I had the same schedule as the ACGME internal medicine residents.

Look in the DO opportunities book for institutions that offer AOA internships at large institutions with ACGME residencies. Then contact the program directly, often you will learn that the AOA internship will count as the PGY1 year of their ACGME program in internal medicine, Family practice, OB-GYN or whatever else you want to do a residency in. You will cut your residency training time by a year and get credit for doing an AOA internship which is required for a DO to get licensed in backward states like PA.

That is good to know for those applying to primary care specialties that normally have an integrated PGY1, but for those using internship as a "transitional", does anyone know if you apply to dual-accredited programs through AOA match or NRMP? I think it's AOA, but not sure.

 

[crockett]

That is good to know for those applying to primary care specialties that normally have an integrated PGY1, but for those using internship as a "transitional", does anyone know if you apply to dual-accredited programs through AOA match or NRMP? I think it's AOA, but not sure.

You apply for dual-accredited programs through the AOA match.


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[amyl]

that really sucks! i don't want to apply in the DO match because then it will automatically pull me out of the categorical spots in anes. ($*@&! AOA.

 

[crockett]

that really sucks! i don't want to apply in the DO match because then it will automatically pull me out of the categorical spots in anes. ($*@&! AOA.

Look in the DO opportunities book for institutions that offer AOA internships and ACGME Anesthesia Residencies.

Otherwise you have to decide if you want to spend a year doing an AOA internship and gamble you can get an CA-1 spot the next year or if you are unlucky you will have to repeat the internship to get a categorical anesthesia position or you could just but forget the AOA internship and any chance to practice in backward states like PA.


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[(nicedream)]

that really sucks! i don't want to apply in the DO match because then it will automatically pull me out of the categorical spots in anes. ($*@&! AOA.

Alternative is scrambling into an AOA internship and not worrying about dual accreditaiton, as long as your anesth program will accept the AOA internship as pgy1 (see the discussion of this in the rads forum).

 

[neurofx]

Hopefully someone can clear this up for me since I only understand pieces at this point. I'm a D.O. student applying for IM. I applied to both allo and osteo programs and interviewed at both. I'm trying to figure out if I should go allo or osteo. What's the deal with which states require certain accreditation (AOA) and which don't, does being AOA licensed even matter, and what is the deal with Resolution 42?
I applied to programs in both Michigan and NJ. I'd like NOT to do an osteopathic tracking residency where the first year includes rotations other than medicine such as peds, obgyn, surg, etc. if I don't have to. I'd rather just do 3 years of straight medicine like the allopathic programs do. I've heard of some D.O. residents that went allopathic, did their 3 years of medicine and then had to do an extra year to complete an osteopathic internship and I also know some D.O.s that were just able to do 3 years of medicine in an allopathic program with no problem, only I forgot to ask details at the time. Does it just have to do with licenses by state and accrediation? Also, people keep saying if I match with one of the osteopathic programs I'm automatically pulled from the MD match. I was under the assumption that if you matched at a D.O. program(s) you had a certain amount of time to decline that program(s) which would take you out of the DO match but still allow you to continue with the allopathic match. If this were not true than you would have to withdraw from all your DO programs before the osteopathic match even came in order to stay in the MD match, which would stink. I know I asked alot, but after reading around the forum for an hour I couldn't really find straight answers to all my questions. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[amyl]

as far as i know, if you turn in a ROL into the DO match and you match at someone on your ROL you are automatically pulled from the MD match. someone please correct me if i am wrong

 

[(nicedream)]

Hopefully someone can clear this up for me since I only understand pieces at this point. I'm a D.O. student applying for IM. I applied to both allo and osteo programs and interviewed at both. I'm trying to figure out if I should go allo or osteo. What's the deal with which states require certain accreditation (AOA) and which don't, does being AOA licensed even matter, and what is the deal with Resolution 42?
I applied to programs in both Michigan and NJ. I'd like NOT to do an osteopathic tracking residency where the first year includes rotations other than medicine such as peds, obgyn, surg, etc. if I don't have to. I'd rather just do 3 years of straight medicine like the allopathic programs do. I've heard of some D.O. residents that went allopathic, did their 3 years of medicine and then had to do an extra year to complete an osteopathic internship and I also know some D.O.s that were just able to do 3 years of medicine in an allopathic program with no problem, only I forgot to ask details at the time. Does it just have to do with licenses by state and accrediation? Also, people keep saying if I match with one of the osteopathic programs I'm automatically pulled from the MD match. I was under the assumption that if you matched at a D.O. program(s) you had a certain amount of time to decline that program(s) which would take you out of the DO match but still allow you to continue with the allopathic match. If this were not true than you would have to withdraw from all your DO programs before the osteopathic match even came in order to stay in the MD match, which would stink. I know I asked alot, but after reading around the forum for an hour I couldn't really find straight answers to all my questions. Thanks in advance for any help.

NOFX fan?

The 5 states are MI, FL, PA, OK, and WV. You must have have either completed an AOA internship, or gained approval from the AOA for an ACGME (MD) PGY1, in order to practice in any of those states.

As for Resolution 42, you can read about it here: http://www.osteopathic.org/pdf/aoa_midyrsupres68ffappD.pdf

It appears from the statistics that a very small minority of applicants for approval are turned down (around 1%). As the rules describe, your ACGME training should be at least an hour away from the nearest AOA internship program.

As amyl said, if you match DO, you are immediately disqualified from the NRMP.

 

[neurofx]

Got it, thanks. Although I have talked to many residents already that got the okay from the AOA with resolution 42, even though they didn't meet the official requirements, such as not having a nearby AOA program. There are at least two D.O.s I know that got the OK for their allo program, but there is literally an AOA program just a walk down the street.

 

[jamielehigh]

neurofx-
Do you know what kind of reasons these residents used when applying for resolution 42?

It's not too hard to fulfill the requirements. I just wonder what are examples why residents are unable to do an AOA internships when there are AOA alternatives available in a certain geogrpahic area and field.

 

[(nicedream)]

Got it, thanks. Although I have talked to many residents already that got the okay from the AOA with resolution 42, even though they didn't meet the official requirements, such as not having a nearby AOA program. There are at least two D.O.s I know that got the OK for their allo program, but there is literally an AOA program just a walk down the street.

Perhaps because their programs were categorical?

 

[tcomboi07]

The most recent edition of JAOA has an article entitled "Approval of ACGME Training as a AOA-Approved Internship" under Medical Education which gives a good historical narrative of Resolution 42 and statistics on those who have been approved.

It appears as though if you fulfill the requirements (2 months of IM, 1 month of ER, 1 month of Family, and 2 months of either IM, FM, OB, PEDS, or ER) in addition to having a **legitimate** hardship, you will most likely be approved.

In the article from above it mentioned that overall 99% of applications are approved, but for some, this involves multiple appeals, sometimes even to the Board of Trustees (annoying and a hassle).

As for myself, I've chosen to apply for IM through ACGME and one of the programs I am very interested in is in Philadelphia (one of the 5 special states). I don't have any family or other hardship issues for applying there, just that I really liked the program and felt it was the best fit for me and what I was looking for. Now, is this qualify as a "hardship?" I'm not sure, but I'm really interesting in hearing how other people approached the hardship scenario...

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Where can we search to locate all the AOA/ACGME Dually-Accredited Residency programs for ALL residency programs (not just primary care programs)?? Thanks so much!

 

[Jack Daniel]

Where can we search to locate all the AOA/ACGME Dually-Accredited Residency programs for ALL residency programs (not just primary care programs)?? Thanks so much!

This is the mother load: http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/

Go to advanced search and then scroll to the bottom of the page and check "Dual AOA/ACGME accredited Program."