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Per MAOPS:

“Details are lacking, but the American Osteopathic Association is reportedly working on a plan to change its board certification process to include more options for physicians. As the unification of AOA and ACGME post-graduate training programs nears completion, the AOA is trying to ensure osteopathic physicians seek AOA board certification rather than other options. While details are scarce, it appears the AOA is looking at offering three “tiers” of osteopathic board certification ranging from one that requires no demonstration of knowledge of osteopathic principles and philosophy to one with a robust osteopathic component. The AOA is seeking to earn back the osteopathic physicians that have left the AOA and its board certification process for ABMS certification, as well as to entice MDs to take AOA boards. The AOA acknowledges it is on a strict timeline to design and implement the new options.

Concern has been expressed both statewide and nationally regarding the new proposal. Many feel that it will minimize the osteopathic profession by allowing those without adequate knowledge of osteopathic principles and philosophy to claim AOA board certification. Others see it as an opportunity to draw not only DOs back to the profession but MDs who want to practice osteopathically. Currently, we simply don’t have enough information regarding the proposal to determine its implications.”
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They are on the dying side whether they like it or not.

Hospitals will slowly start to expect ABMS board certification from everyone.

The days of the DO degree as a whole are numbered. I'm not surprised if in 10 years time everyone gets an MD and what they'll do is grandfather all these new second class DO schools under a special exception such as they are doing with the "no resident left behind" in regards to programs that won't transition into ACGME
 
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AlbinoHawk DO said:
They are on the dying side whether they like it or not.

Hospitals will slowly start to expect ABMS board certification from everyone.

The days of the DO degree as a whole are numbered. I'm not surprised if in 10 years time everyone gets an MD and what they'll do is grandfather all these new second class DO schools under a special exception such as they are doing with the "no resident left behind" in regards to programs that won't transition into ACGME
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Yep, the fate of the AOA and osteopathy as a whole has been sealed. It's only a question of how long the death spiral will take.
 
dr_of_rock said:
Per MAOPS:

“Details are lacking, but the American Osteopathic Association is reportedly working on a plan to change its board certification process to include more options for physicians. As the unification of AOA and ACGME post-graduate training programs nears completion, the AOA is trying to ensure osteopathic physicians seek AOA board certification rather than other options. While details are scarce, it appears the AOA is looking at offering three “tiers” of osteopathic board certification ranging from one that requires no demonstration of knowledge of osteopathic principles and philosophy to one with a robust osteopathic component. The AOA is seeking to earn back the osteopathic physicians that have left the AOA and its board certification process for ABMS certification, as well as to entice MDs to take AOA boards. The AOA acknowledges it is on a strict timeline to design and implement the new options.

Concern has been expressed both statewide and nationally regarding the new proposal. Many feel that it will minimize the osteopathic profession by allowing those without adequate knowledge of osteopathic principles and philosophy to claim AOA board certification. Others see it as an opportunity to draw not only DOs back to the profession but MDs who want to practice osteopathically. Currently, we simply don’t have enough information regarding the proposal to determine its implications.”
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LOL, yeah cause thats the problem with DO's today, they just don't do enough OMM. They need that 'ol "tool in the toolbox," the cranial and the points to fix all the joints (and anything else too!).
 
Fine, its rant time.

I am indulging myself in some poetic waxing due to the superfluousness of osteopathy. You see even the AOA doesn't understand the real osteopathic distinction, the real difference. One doesn't just goto medical school when you place a deposit for a COM, but enter into a realm where contradictions abound, and cognitive dissonance is not only the norm, but encouraged. The osteopathic difference is having a founder who left the Allopaths because their medicine was not evidence based, but whose subsequent students have made a shrine to the idol of his supposed teachings rather then actually staying true to his actual beliefs.

Much like the Biblical Pharisees who in their effort to perfect obedience to the Torah, ended up misconstruing the spirit of the Law and therefore rejecting the Messiah himself; osteopathy in its quest to differentiate has created a culture that is completely counter intuitive to what its founders intended and yet tries to justify its inexplicable slide into absurdity with supposed reverence for a man who left an entire system because of its absurdity. Not only does our leadership continue to push disproven and ineffective techniques as billable items on the public, but also promote those who would certainly, at the very least, qualify as a schizotypal personality disorder as leadership. When a professor gets up and tells a class that they can physically manipulate people with their mind, and rather than being laughed off the podium and fired, is allowed to not only continue on, but test medical students, the systems integrity is called into question. At DO school however, the answer is a scoffing 'it is what it is.'

But this is the essence of being a DO. Teaching supposed evidence based medicine on the one hand and immediately following it up with rubbish on the other. Magical thinking combined with rational thought. I would propose that DO school is a test of one's sanity, a 4 year assualt on the mind designed to cause psychotic breaks in the poor student who thought they came into medicine to help people. A COM is a magical place where Andrew Wakefield is laughed at due to faulty research during a lecture, but then will immediately be followed by a lab on the differences between imaginary chatmans points versus tender points versus trigger points that only is of relevance to the charlatans who made them up for a legacy that literally no one cares about.

Seeing how long this post is, its clear this time wasting disease is infectious. Luckily the cure arrives in residency, the sure vaccine of ACGME will provide long term antibodies against the nonsense of the AOA. A permanent solution to this ailment. May we all be so lucky as to receive this shot on schedule.
 
BorntobeDO? said:
Fine, its rant time.

I am indulging myself in some poetic waxing due to the superfluousness of osteopathy. You see even the AOA doesn't understand the real osteopathic distinction, the real difference. One doesn't just goto medical school when you place a deposit for a COM, but enter into a realm where contradictions abound, and cognitive dissonance is not only the norm, but encouraged. The osteopathic difference is having a founder who left the Allopaths because their medicine was not evidence based, but whose subsequent students have made a shrine to the idol of his supposed teachings rather then actually staying true to his actual beliefs.

Much like the Biblical Pharisees who in their effort to perfect obedience to the Torah, ended up misconstruing the spirit of the Law and therefore rejecting the Messiah himself; osteopathy in its quest to differentiate has created a culture that is completely counter intuitive to what its founders intended and yet tries to justify its inexplicable slide into absurdity with supposed reverence for a man who left an entire system because of its absurdity. Not only does our leadership continue to push disproven and ineffective techniques as billable items on the public, but also promote those who would certainly, at the very least, qualify as a schizotypal personality disorder as leadership. When a professor gets up and tells a class that they can physically manipulate people with their mind, and rather than being laughed off the podium and fired, is allowed to not only continue on, but test medical students, the systems integrity is called into question. At DO school however, the answer is a scoffing 'it is what it is.'

But this is the essence of being a DO. Teaching supposed evidence based medicine on the one hand and immediately following it up with rubbish on the other. Magical thinking combined with rational thought. I would propose that DO school is a test of one's sanity, a 4 year assualt on the mind designed to cause psychotic breaks in the poor student who thought they came into medicine to help people. A COM is a magical place where Andrew Wakefield is laughed at due to faulty research during a lecture, but then will immediately be followed by a lab on the differences between imaginary chatmans points versus tender points versus trigger points that only is of relevance to the charlatans who made them up for a legacy that literally no one cares about.

Seeing how long this post is, its clear this time wasting disease is infectious. Luckily the cure arrives in residency, the sure vaccine of ACGME will provide long term antibodies against the nonsense of the AOA. A permanent solution to this ailment. May we all be so lucky as to receive this shot on schedule.
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Doc, I don’t believe in vaccine. Last time that I got a vaccine, I got sick...
 
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Neopolymath said:
Cash only OMM clinic van at construction sites right next to the food truck... yeah, I have thought about my nuclear option.
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There's a resident I know that does OMM house visits.
 
BorntobeDO? said:
Fine, its rant time.

I am indulging myself in some poetic waxing due to the superfluousness of osteopathy. You see even the AOA doesn't understand the real osteopathic distinction, the real difference. One doesn't just goto medical school when you place a deposit for a COM, but enter into a realm where contradictions abound, and cognitive dissonance is not only the norm, but encouraged. The osteopathic difference is having a founder who left the Allopaths because their medicine was not evidence based, but whose subsequent students have made a shrine to the idol of his supposed teachings rather then actually staying true to his actual beliefs.

Much like the Biblical Pharisees who in their effort to perfect obedience to the Torah, ended up misconstruing the spirit of the Law and therefore rejecting the Messiah himself; osteopathy in its quest to differentiate has created a culture that is completely counter intuitive to what its founders intended and yet tries to justify its inexplicable slide into absurdity with supposed reverence for a man who left an entire system because of its absurdity. Not only does our leadership continue to push disproven and ineffective techniques as billable items on the public, but also promote those who would certainly, at the very least, qualify as a schizotypal personality disorder as leadership. When a professor gets up and tells a class that they can physically manipulate people with their mind, and rather than being laughed off the podium and fired, is allowed to not only continue on, but test medical students, the systems integrity is called into question. At DO school however, the answer is a scoffing 'it is what it is.'

But this is the essence of being a DO. Teaching supposed evidence based medicine on the one hand and immediately following it up with rubbish on the other. Magical thinking combined with rational thought. I would propose that DO school is a test of one's sanity, a 4 year assualt on the mind designed to cause psychotic breaks in the poor student who thought they came into medicine to help people. A COM is a magical place where Andrew Wakefield is laughed at due to faulty research during a lecture, but then will immediately be followed by a lab on the differences between imaginary chatmans points versus tender points versus trigger points that only is of relevance to the charlatans who made them up for a legacy that literally no one cares about.

Seeing how long this post is, its clear this time wasting disease is infectious. Luckily the cure arrives in residency, the sure vaccine of ACGME will provide long term antibodies against the nonsense of the AOA. A permanent solution to this ailment. May we all be so lucky as to receive this shot on schedule.
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As someone who has actually read AT Still's biography and much of the DO history, things like Cranial and chapman points are actually "modern" inventions that were never used by AT Still himself. Therefore, even to a purist, these modalities should be questionable.
 
popopopop said:
There's a resident I know that does OMM house visits.
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I really don't know whether to question his judgement to enter a patient's home and perform physical treatments in today's climate or call him a hustler of the highest order.
Black Coffee 24/7 said:
Well, if you start singing the praise of OMM and Dr. Stills, we will know what has happened.
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Even if I resorted to this I would never lose my dignity by selling out like that.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
As someone who has actually read AT Still's biography and much of the DO history, things like Cranial and chapman points are actually "modern" inventions that were never used by AT Still himself. Therefore, even to a purist, these modalities should be questionable.
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I am aware, hence the irony. The most bs parts of OMM weren't done by AT Still.

I guess I should be giving the AOA credit for having an option without OMM for their boards. Looks like they even see the future on that one .
 
BorntobeDO? said:
I am aware, hence the irony. The most bs parts of OMM weren't done by AT Still.

I guess I should be giving the AOA credit for having an option without OMM for their boards. Looks like they even see the future on that one .
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It's too little, too late on the certification sans OMM. They are spineless losers without a creed for offering it now because of how stubborn they have been in the past. Really a lose-lose scenario for them (SAD).
 
BorntobeDO? said:
Fine, its rant time.

I am indulging myself in some poetic waxing due to the superfluousness of osteopathy. You see even the AOA doesn't understand the real osteopathic distinction, the real difference. One doesn't just goto medical school when you place a deposit for a COM, but enter into a realm where contradictions abound, and cognitive dissonance is not only the norm, but encouraged. The osteopathic difference is having a founder who left the Allopaths because their medicine was not evidence based, but whose subsequent students have made a shrine to the idol of his supposed teachings rather then actually staying true to his actual beliefs.

Much like the Biblical Pharisees who in their effort to perfect obedience to the Torah, ended up misconstruing the spirit of the Law and therefore rejecting the Messiah himself; osteopathy in its quest to differentiate has created a culture that is completely counter intuitive to what its founders intended and yet tries to justify its inexplicable slide into absurdity with supposed reverence for a man who left an entire system because of its absurdity. Not only does our leadership continue to push disproven and ineffective techniques as billable items on the public, but also promote those who would certainly, at the very least, qualify as a schizotypal personality disorder as leadership. When a professor gets up and tells a class that they can physically manipulate people with their mind, and rather than being laughed off the podium and fired, is allowed to not only continue on, but test medical students, the systems integrity is called into question. At DO school however, the answer is a scoffing 'it is what it is.'

But this is the essence of being a DO. Teaching supposed evidence based medicine on the one hand and immediately following it up with rubbish on the other. Magical thinking combined with rational thought. I would propose that DO school is a test of one's sanity, a 4 year assualt on the mind designed to cause psychotic breaks in the poor student who thought they came into medicine to help people. A COM is a magical place where Andrew Wakefield is laughed at due to faulty research during a lecture, but then will immediately be followed by a lab on the differences between imaginary chatmans points versus tender points versus trigger points that only is of relevance to the charlatans who made them up for a legacy that literally no one cares about.

Seeing how long this post is, its clear this time wasting disease is infectious. Luckily the cure arrives in residency, the sure vaccine of ACGME will provide long term antibodies against the nonsense of the AOA. A permanent solution to this ailment. May we all be so lucky as to receive this shot on schedule.
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Well done, sir.
 
dr_of_rock said:
Per MAOPS:

“Details are lacking, but the American Osteopathic Association is reportedly working on a plan to change its board certification process to include more options for physicians. As the unification of AOA and ACGME post-graduate training programs nears completion, the AOA is trying to ensure osteopathic physicians seek AOA board certification rather than other options. While details are scarce, it appears the AOA is looking at offering three “tiers” of osteopathic board certification ranging from one that requires no demonstration of knowledge of osteopathic principles and philosophy to one with a robust osteopathic component. The AOA is seeking to earn back the osteopathic physicians that have left the AOA and its board certification process for ABMS certification, as well as to entice MDs to take AOA boards. The AOA acknowledges it is on a strict timeline to design and implement the new options.

Concern has been expressed both statewide and nationally regarding the new proposal. Many feel that it will minimize the osteopathic profession by allowing those without adequate knowledge of osteopathic principles and philosophy to claim AOA board certification. Others see it as an opportunity to draw not only DOs back to the profession but MDs who want to practice osteopathically. Currently, we simply don’t have enough information regarding the proposal to determine its implications.”
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Sorry chump gotta sweeten the deal. I’ll take AOA board cert if you buy me a new AMG merc, house, and wear a sign that says quack around for a year. Then me and u (aoa) can talk.


Until then die slowly
 
BorntobeDO? said:
Fine, its rant time.

I am indulging myself in some poetic waxing due to the superfluousness of osteopathy. You see even the AOA doesn't understand the real osteopathic distinction, the real difference. One doesn't just goto medical school when you place a deposit for a COM, but enter into a realm where contradictions abound, and cognitive dissonance is not only the norm, but encouraged. The osteopathic difference is having a founder who left the Allopaths because their medicine was not evidence based, but whose subsequent students have made a shrine to the idol of his supposed teachings rather then actually staying true to his actual beliefs.

Much like the Biblical Pharisees who in their effort to perfect obedience to the Torah, ended up misconstruing the spirit of the Law and therefore rejecting the Messiah himself; osteopathy in its quest to differentiate has created a culture that is completely counter intuitive to what its founders intended and yet tries to justify its inexplicable slide into absurdity with supposed reverence for a man who left an entire system because of its absurdity. Not only does our leadership continue to push disproven and ineffective techniques as billable items on the public, but also promote those who would certainly, at the very least, qualify as a schizotypal personality disorder as leadership. When a professor gets up and tells a class that they can physically manipulate people with their mind, and rather than being laughed off the podium and fired, is allowed to not only continue on, but test medical students, the systems integrity is called into question. At DO school however, the answer is a scoffing 'it is what it is.'

But this is the essence of being a DO. Teaching supposed evidence based medicine on the one hand and immediately following it up with rubbish on the other. Magical thinking combined with rational thought. I would propose that DO school is a test of one's sanity, a 4 year assualt on the mind designed to cause psychotic breaks in the poor student who thought they came into medicine to help people. A COM is a magical place where Andrew Wakefield is laughed at due to faulty research during a lecture, but then will immediately be followed by a lab on the differences between imaginary chatmans points versus tender points versus trigger points that only is of relevance to the charlatans who made them up for a legacy that literally no one cares about.

Seeing how long this post is, its clear this time wasting disease is infectious. Luckily the cure arrives in residency, the sure vaccine of ACGME will provide long term antibodies against the nonsense of the AOA. A permanent solution to this ailment. May we all be so lucky as to receive this shot on schedule.
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I think the DO forum can close now. It will never again be as glorious as this post.
 
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