applying to the states??

[orange23]

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hello i am very new here..
i am from malaysia and i have just finish my a-levels. i am looking at podiatry as my future carrrier. its kinda new in malaysia so there is limited information i can get here. 🙁
anyway
i can't really get a picture of how to apply to the states. can i straight start with a podiatry degree or must i start with a pre-med degree??
another question is is there difference in the degree offered my australia and the states??
can someone please enlighten me? i will be very happy. thanks

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

hello i am very new here..
i am from malaysia and i have just finish my a-levels. i am looking at podiatry as my future carrrier. its kinda new in malaysia so there is limited information i can get here. 🙁
anyway
i can't really get a picture of how to apply to the states. can i straight start with a podiatry degree or must i start with a pre-med degree??
another question is is there difference in the degree offered my australia and the states??
can someone please enlighten me? i will be very happy. thanks

Most of the countries outside of the US offer BS/MS in podiatry. In the US, we get doctorates in podiatry. Generally US podiatry is more surgically oriented. As for how to apply if you go to www.aacpm.org, that is where you will find all of the requirements for application and the application itself. Good luck.

 

[cool_vkb]

hello i am very new here..
i am from malaysia and i have just finish my a-levels. i am looking at podiatry as my future carrrier. its kinda new in malaysia so there is limited information i can get here. 🙁
anyway
i can't really get a picture of how to apply to the states. can i straight start with a podiatry degree or must i start with a pre-med degree??
another question is is there difference in the degree offered my australia and the states??
can someone please enlighten me? i will be very happy. thanks

Hey, i too looked into Australian Podiatry a year back before applying to US. But i got my Greencard here so i stayed here.

The major difference between US and AUssie Pod system is that in US you get a doctoral degree followed by 2-3 yrs of mandatory Surgical residnecy.

Thats not the case in Aussie system. In Aussie system you will start right after high school in a BSc honors in Podiatry and then finish that. After finishing you will be a general podatry practioner. you cant do any surgery or other major stuff. Now after finishing BSc you can just go and join job or open your practice or do whatever you want.

But if you want to do Surgery or further specialization in Ortho, or biomechanics or sports etc then you have to do a MSc in Podiatry. and only BSc Podiatry students are eligbible fo this.

In a Nutshell you can say

US DPM Grad = Aussie MSc Surgical/Ortho/Biomech/Sports Podiatrist

Another thing is, Aussie DPM grads have very good alumni network in Singapore, NZ, Malaysia, Indo and other neighbors. So if you ever wanna come back or be in same region , an australian Podiatry degree will be very easy to get in.

Even with a US DPM you can come back and practice but i doubt there is a big numbr of US DPMs in Southeast asia. but i know for sure that there are tons of Aussie DPMs in Singapore and NZ.

Since you just graduated from high school. I think you will be much better in joining directly Aussie BSc Podiatry program rather than coming here and spending another 3-4 yrs in Premed and incurring a huge debt, bcoz you are a foreign student and you wont be getting any aid.

Once you finish Aussie BSc program you can then decide if you wanna do surgery or not and if you like then go ahead and join the MSc Surgical program. which is like 2 yrs.

US DPM = 4yrs pre-med + 4 yrs DPM + 3yrs reisdency
Total expense for a Intentational student : easily around $300K tuition and housing for all 8yrs. (trust me i myself had spent $110K in undergrad alone🙁 from my pocket)

Aussie DPM = 4yrs BSc + 2yrs MSc (Optional)
Total expense for international student: even if you did MSc, then also it will be around Aus $ 150K

And on top of that, Australian dollar is kind of low compared to US dollar in terms of Malay currency. So you can save even in that sense.

The whole reason iam trying to attract towards Aussie DPM program is because of the ease of visa issuance and the total cost. US costs for international students doing Bachelors degree can be really annoying as we get no aid or scholarships a lot of time. you literally have to sell huge properties in home country if you wanna come here. Plus Visa issuance is also a big problem. Many people are rejected. Australia is fairly easy atleast in comparision to US.


That being said, there is no doubt that US programs are always way above aussie programs but since you are from southeast region it will be advantageous for you to get a degree from your region as it will be easy in securing licenses,etc stuff. And Cost issue also.

 

[orange23]

wow.. thanks alot.. now it really clear things up..
does all medical programs start with a 4 year pre-med in US??

 

[cool_vkb]

wow.. thanks alot.. now it really clear things up..
does all medical programs start with a 4 year pre-med in US??

For international students, the answer is yes! There is no way around. There are some honor 6 yr MD programs (2yrs pre-med + 4yrs MD) but they are highly selective and usually take only US citizens. and they are very very few. And in Podiatry there are no such programs as far i know. There is one program associated with NYCPM school but i dont know much about it. Ask KRABMAS abt it. She is from NYCPM.

Atmost you could apply after completing 3yrs of Premed. But i dont know how it will play out. I got in after 3yrs of Premed but i had a good stats😀 . But many people advise that you should get a 4yr premed.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Hey, i too looked into Australian Podiatry a year back before applying to US. But i got my Greencard here so i stayed here.

The major difference between US and AUssie Pod system is that in US you get a doctoral degree followed by 2-3 yrs of mandatory Surgical residnecy.

Thats not the case in Aussie system. In Aussie system you will start right after high school in a BSc honors in Podiatry and then finish that. After finishing you will be a general podatry practioner. you cant do any surgery or other major stuff. Now after finishing BSc you can just go and join job or open your practice or do whatever you want.

But if you want to do Surgery or further specialization in Ortho, or biomechanics or sports etc then you have to do a MSc in Podiatry. and only BSc Podiatry students are eligbible fo this.

In a Nutshell you can say

US DPM Grad = Aussie MSc Surgical/Ortho/Biomech/Sports Podiatrist

Another thing is, Aussie DPM grads have very good alumni network in Singapore, NZ, Malaysia, Indo and other neighbors. So if you ever wanna come back or be in same region , an australian Podiatry degree will be very easy to get in.

Even with a US DPM you can come back and practice but i doubt there is a big numbr of US DPMs in Southeast asia. but i know for sure that there are tons of Aussie DPMs in Singapore and NZ.

Since you just graduated from high school. I think you will be much better in joining directly Aussie BSc Podiatry program rather than coming here and spending another 3-4 yrs in Premed and incurring a huge debt, bcoz you are a foreign student and you wont be getting any aid.

Once you finish Aussie BSc program you can then decide if you wanna do surgery or not and if you like then go ahead and join the MSc Surgical program. which is like 2 yrs.

US DPM = 4yrs pre-med + 4 yrs DPM + 3yrs reisdency
Total expense for a Intentational student : easily around $300K tuition and housing for all 8yrs. (trust me i myself had spent $110K in undergrad alone🙁 from my pocket)

Aussie DPM = 4yrs BSc + 2yrs MSc (Optional)
Total expense for international student: even if you did MSc, then also it will be around Aus $ 150K

And on top of that, Australian dollar is kind of low compared to US dollar in terms of Malay currency. So you can save even in that sense.

The whole reason iam trying to attract towards Aussie DPM program is because of the ease of visa issuance and the total cost. US costs for international students doing Bachelors degree can be really annoying as we get no aid or scholarships a lot of time. you literally have to sell huge properties in home country if you wanna come here. Plus Visa issuance is also a big problem. Many people are rejected. Australia is fairly easy atleast in comparision to US.


That being said, there is no doubt that US programs are always way above aussie programs but since you are from southeast region it will be advantageous for you to get a degree from your region as it will be easy in securing licenses,etc stuff. And Cost issue also.

I think that you comparison of a DPM to a MSc being equal is far off. You have 11 years of education vs. 6 years. That tells you that your training is much more complete in the DPM system than the MSc. The MSc program is more like the old DPM program and once you get into clinic and met pods that have done surgery without a residency, you will see why our system is far far far better.

As for undergrad setting you back $110K, that is unusually high. I went to a private college and even if I had paid every cent without a scholarship it would have only been about 80K. My DPM loans will be about $140K. But this brings out an important point, cost of living and tuition should be looked at when deciding where to go to school. Also, you get paid during residency so you are not paying out of pocket during that time.

 

[cool_vkb]

I think that you comparison of a DPM to a MSc being equal is far off. You have 11 years of education vs. 6 years. That tells you that your training is much more complete in the DPM system than the MSc. The MSc program is more like the old DPM program and once you get into clinic and met pods that have done surgery without a residency, you will see why our system is far far far better.

As for undergrad setting you back $110K, that is unusually high. I went to a private college and even if I had paid every cent without a scholarship it would have only been about 80K. My DPM loans will be about $140K. But this brings out an important point, cost of living and tuition should be looked at when deciding where to go to school. Also, you get paid during residency so you are not paying out of pocket during that time.

Oh yeah, DPM is no doubt superior than MSc Aussies. DPM is a doctoral degree and Our whole system is different. we do a mandatory 3yrs residency. that defiently makes us special and well prepared. But if you are someone who is planning to live in Malaysia or Aussie or singapore. what difference does it makes if one did a DPM or MSc , they both hold the same weight there. Plus malaysia and singapore are more influenced by Aussie way of life compared to US system. As i said earlied, i know Aussie DPMs in singapore. US Podiatry system is not well known there. The OP might have problem even in getting the basic license to even practice, leave aside surgery. But if he did his MSc from aussie it will be way easier as that degree is recognized in that region and there are many Aussie dpms already in market there. Another whole issue here is abt costs and expenditure. Aussie is way cheaper compared to US because of low Aussie dollar. In Indian currence only, 1 US dollar - 45 rupees , and 1 aus $ - 28 rupees.

I may sound like a hippocrite, bcoz iam myself enjoying the best training in USA and advocating people to go to Australia. the only and only reason iam suggesting is bcoz of the expenses. It gets very tough here sometimes if you dont have resources.

My undergrad expenses: i did 90 credits at MSOE and Marquette

Milwaukee School of Engineering, $22k tuition + $ 16 k living costs average 2 yrs - approx $ 76K

Marquette 1 yr tuition - $22K + another 16K - 36k

So thats like 110K right here, plus iam not including airfare costs, visa fees, background check fees. and nearly all southeast students undergo ESL training which is nearly 1k-3k.

In Scholl: (this just an average for a student, not my personal budget)

$22k annual tuition + $1100 monthly (even if one is living at least) for 4 yrs = 145 K
again iam not including airfares, visa fees, and all other stuff.

Its not like our canadian brothers. they are very lucky. Those people get aid from their countries and low background checks and easy visas. But applicants from India and southeast asia are a totally different category. Its very hard and expensive unless we get a greencard. Once we get greencard then whole life changes😀. Its all aid and scholarships and all kinds of goodies. lol!

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Oh yeah, DPM is no doubt superior than MSc Aussies. DPM is a doctoral degree and Our whole system is different. we do a mandatory 3yrs residency. that defiently makes us special and well prepared. But if you are someone who is planning to live in Malaysia or Aussie or singapore. what difference does it makes if one did a DPM or MSc , they both hold the same weight there. Plus malaysia and singapore are more influenced by Aussie way of life compared to US system. As i said earlied, i know Aussie DPMs in singapore. US Podiatry system is not well known there. The OP might have problem even in getting the basic license to even practice, leave aside surgery. But if he did his MSc from aussie it will be way easier as that degree is recognized in that region and there are many Aussie dpms already in market there. Another whole issue here is abt costs and expenditure. Aussie is way cheaper compared to US because of low Aussie dollar. In Indian currence only, 1 US dollar - 45 rupees , and 1 aus $ - 28 rupees.

I may sound like a hippocrite, bcoz iam myself enjoying the best training in USA and advocating people to go to Australia. the only and only reason iam suggesting is bcoz of the expenses. It gets very tough here sometimes if you dont have resources.

My undergrad expenses: i did 90 credits at MSOE and Marquette

Milwaukee School of Engineering, $22k tuition + $ 16 k living costs average 2 yrs - approx $ 76K

Marquette 1 yr tuition - $22K + another 16K - 36k

So thats like 110K right here, plus iam not including airfare costs, visa fees, background check fees. and nearly all southeast students undergo ESL training which is nearly 1k-3k.

In Scholl: (this just an average for a student, not my personal budget)

$22k annual tuition + $1100 monthly (even if one is living at least) for 4 yrs = 145 K
again iam not including airfares, visa fees, and all other stuff.

Its not like our canadian brothers. they are very lucky. Those people get aid from their countries and low background checks and easy visas. But applicants from India and southeast asia are a totally different category. Its very hard and expensive unless we get a greencard. Once we get greencard then whole life changes😀. Its all aid and scholarships and all kinds of goodies. lol!

I can see where you are coming from as far as expenses, but I would never want to operate on someone without the experience. You are talking about people's lives and livelihood. I would go the training even if I was going to go somewhere were I am "overtrained." Hardwork will pay off and who knows the extra training may lead to high wage and faster advancement.

Also, 1100 in Chicago? Is that living in a 1 bedroom in the ghetto without eating everyday?

 

[cool_vkb]

Also, 1100 in Chicago? Is that living in a 1 bedroom in the ghetto without eating everyday?

, well usually a lot of International students (including myself in beginning years) share apartments. Some times its 3 people or sometimes it goes as high as 6 people. 😀 . You wont believe me but i know some indian guys who shared 9 people in a single bedroom ($725/monthly) in milwaukee and the housing landlord evicted them instantly. So in tat way i was saying 1100 will be enough to survive. but if you are going by american standard of living then in 1100 i doubt even in a chicago ghetto someone can survive

PS: I dont know abt other cities, but just for fun do visit the apartments near IIT Chicago campus or on Devon Ave. You will see what iam talking abt. lol!

 

[orange23]

haha..
cool_vkb: where are you from??

 

[cool_vkb]

haha..
cool_vkb: where are you from??

iam from south india.

 

[JEWmongous]

i am from pune, near mumbai

 

[JoeNamaMD]

Can US trained DPMs work in Australia? If they chose too?

 

[cool_vkb]

i am from pune, near mumbai

Ha ha ha, then i was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY😀

 

[cool_vkb]

Can US trained DPMs work in Australia? If they chose too?

Yep they can practice in Aussie. You need to give their state podiatry exams.