Ardms

[Freakingzooming]

Hi guys:

more for my homies graduating or finishing this year and thinking of doing RDMS. I was going thru the application online- there are option of getting the Sonography Principles and Instrumentation (SPI) certification on top of the RDMS abdominal certification. Is there a point for getting the SPI? Or does everyone only go for the RDMS part only?

Thanks! Glad inservice is finished.

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[Hamhock]

Hi guys:

more for my homies graduating or finishing this year and thinking of doing RDMS. I was going thru the application online- there are option of getting the Sonography Principles and Instrumentation (SPI) certification on top of the RDMS abdominal certification. Is there a point for getting the SPI? Or does everyone only go for the RDMS part only?

Thanks! Glad inservice is finished.

Huh?

HH

 

[tkim]

Hi guys:

more for my homies graduating or finishing this year and thinking of doing RDMS. I was going thru the application online- there are option of getting the Sonography Principles and Instrumentation (SPI) certification on top of the RDMS abdominal certification. Is there a point for getting the SPI? Or does everyone only go for the RDMS part only?

Thanks! Glad inservice is finished.

Dude, you need to pass the SPI as a prequisite to take the ABD specialty to get RDMS. You need both. The SPI and ABD are the exams you need in order to get the RDMS credential.

http://www.ardms.org/credentials_ex...rmation_page/overview_of_the_spi_examination/

"Sonography professionals wanting to earn an ARDMS credential are required to pass both the SPI examination and a corresponding specialty within five years*. Once the SPI examination is passed, applicants may earn multiple credentials without having to repeat any physical principles and instrumentation requirements (within ARDMS application guidelines). To view the ARDMS Examination Pathways chart, click here."

Once I graduated from residency, I was so hot to take the test and get the cert. Then I looked into it - another set of fees and certifications to maintain - every two years. Ugh. That desire has cooled down considerably.

 

[Freakingzooming]

Dude, you need to pass the SPI as a prequisite to take the ABD specialty to get RDMS. You need both. The SPI and ABD are the exams you need in order to get the RDMS credential.

http://www.ardms.org/credentials_ex...rmation_page/overview_of_the_spi_examination/

"Sonography professionals wanting to earn an ARDMS credential are required to pass both the SPI examination and a corresponding specialty within five years*. Once the SPI examination is passed, applicants may earn multiple credentials without having to repeat any physical principles and instrumentation requirements (within ARDMS application guidelines). To view the ARDMS Examination Pathways chart, click here."

Once I graduated from residency, I was so hot to take the test and get the cert. Then I looked into it - another set of fees and certifications to maintain - every two years. Ugh. That desire has cooled down considerably.

Sweet thanks for the help. It seemed like if I have to jump thru hoops- there would be double the hoops to go thru. This year the price for both is 400 dollars.

 

[deuist]

Can anyone tell me why RDMS is needed? I thought if your hospital credentials you, you can bill for the ultrasound. Is there something I'm missing, beyond the academic ultrasound docs?

 

[Groove]

I'm doing ARDMS in residency also... Here's the deal... As already stated, you need SPI before you do the ABD exam. The kicker is that you can't do the ABD while a resident, but you CAN do the SPI exam. You'll need:

1) 800 scans (supposedly related to your exam, but also somewhat up to the discretion of the UTZ director...)

2) PD letter

3) Ultrasound Director letter or someone ARDMS certified.

You can then take the SPI, but you can't sit for the ABD exam until you've actually graduated residency.

 

[losyork]

this is false. I am scheduled to take the abdominal exam as a resident before I graduate from residency.

The RDMS prep stuff suckkkkkssss!

 

[leorl]

The RDMS is not completely necessary. For those who did fellowship, the RDMS is simply a qualification that states "yes I performed at least 800 scans and therefore I have some higher level of proficiency/competency and probably some auxillary training in grant writing / billing / credentialling / CQI etc." in the absence of having a currently non-ACGME specialist training. Hospitals sometimes wants to see "proof" of fellowship training for those they consider hiring for Director positions.

Residents who also do the same can also go out there and (usually in community) take US Director positions. Again, many places hire without the RDMS but other places like to see that it was done. Studying for it also gives you a good background knowledge of the physics involved.

 

[omn]

What is this so confusing.. and why are these posts so old .. ?

It is mildly disgusting that one can confuse whether the prerequisites are both those with a "two-year allied health" degree (i.e.: any HS diploma and 2 years in an allied health program) and a physician who has completed an "accredited residency OR fellowship"... (the "OR" is my emphasis)
WOW, very impressed

 

[Angry Birds]

Before you get an ARDMS you need an HLF2, and in order to get that, you need to make sure you qualify for LFH-E7. I would really question this if you already have an MLFEI, because there really is no point in pursuing the JKLMNOP. But, that's just my opinion. You might also want to ask R2D2 though.

 

[deleted109597]

What is this so confusing.. and why are these posts so old .. ?

Because you necrobumped it?

It is mildly disgusting that one can confuse whether the prerequisites are both those with a "two-year allied health" degree (i.e.: any HS diploma and 2 years in an allied health program) and a physician who has completed an "accredited residency OR fellowship"... (the "OR" is my emphasis)
WOW, very impressed

 

[MSmentor018]

you don't necessary need it. we don't have our own specialty exam for u/s so we're borrowing theirs. there's been talk for the past few years at acep u/s section meeting on developing our own boards. a great point was made, "why are we supporting another profession by taking their boards?". as long as you do your 800 abd scans you can qualify for rdms. no fellowship necessary. my classmate did it in residency, I opted for the fellowship. to-mato, tom-ato

 

[littlejuan]

Does taking the rdms give you any benefit as a non-fellowship trained EM physician? I just finished residency and got way more than 800 scans, so I qualify, but I am not sure if it is worth it.

 

[emergentmd]

Before you get an ARDMS you need an HLF2, and in order to get that, you need to make sure you qualify for LFH-E7. I would really question this if you already have an MLFEI, because there really is no point in pursuing the JKLMNOP. But, that's just my opinion. You might also want to ask R2D2 though.

Yeah I finished my JKMNOP and now Do U/S on all patients instead of using my stethoscope for cardiac exams. My billing is crazy and increased my hourly pay by 150/hr

 

[omn]

Exactly .. clearly not making sense at several levels .. and that you were making a point about costs, and the economic equivalence .. (don't let me put analysis in your mouth)

and I can appreciate the range of procedures that insurance can't afford to fund..
but this is not an apparent or widely discussed issue even though it is VERY IMPORTANT ...

But separately, I am making the point about your disgusting, let's just call it, "qualification dishonesty" ... example attached...

medicine is not unique in this, and the problem is system-wide .. as I am sure you are superior enough to appreciate

Wonderful position for a gap year ?? a "MEDICAL ASSOCIATE":
requirements:
any provider of the BLS
and MD/DO is "preferred"

**** High School =/ Undergraduate Medical Education ****

 

[omn]

Yeah I finished my JKMNOP and now Do U/S on all patients instead of using my stethoscope for cardiac exams. My billing is crazy and increased my hourly pay by 150/hr

Tickles me pink that you REALLY DO appreciate the semantics...

 

[gutonc]

What is this so confusing.. and why are these posts so old .. ?

They are old because the thread was appropriately dead until you necrobumped it.

Strong work brah.

 

[omn]

They are old because the thread was appropriately dead until you necrobumped it.

Strong work brah.

How can it be dead when it's, likely, a systemic unresolved issue.. The ARDMS National Phone Reps better be nice... I mean, who doesn't have need for a decent U/S PIC team.. but that's not the point.. not at the point