Are certain people prone to excel in PAT?

[PharmDorDDS]

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For those of you that have excelled in the PAT section, do you think there is a certain intelligence pre requisite to excelling in this section? I have talked to some students who have done superb in the total sciences 25+, but struggled to get 19 or 20 on the PAT. Is repetitive practice on these programs such as Ari's program really enough, or is there a certain natural threshold necessary to obtaining the timing and actual skills to do well in PAT?

 

[711769]

For those of you that have excelled in the PAT section, do you think there is a certain intelligence pre requisite to excelling in this section? I have talked to some students who have done superb in the total sciences 25+, but struggled to get 19 or 20 on the PAT. Is repetitive practice on these programs such as Ari's program really enough, or is there a certain natural threshold necessary to obtaining the timing and actual skills to do well in PAT?

I wouldn't say anyone's naturally gifted in the PAT, but there are threshholds. I personally got a 16 on the first test I did and then after a month's worth of doing nothing but PAT, I got nothing more or less than a 24 (which is what my official score was as well). So there is definitely a cap to your abilities. For example, I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME DO ANGLES. I reached my cap at getting ~60-70% correct. My eyes were simply not good enough for passing above the 70% mark.

TLDR: most people are bad at the start, you get explosive improvement at the start of practice then plateau quickly (at least in my experience) where you wont improve any longer.

 

[jbarnett2020]

For those of you that have excelled in the PAT section, do you think there is a certain intelligence pre requisite to excelling in this section? I have talked to some students who have done superb in the total sciences 25+, but struggled to get 19 or 20 on the PAT. Is repetitive practice on these programs such as Ari's program really enough, or is there a certain natural threshold necessary to obtaining the timing and actual skills to do well in PAT?

I had a miserable performance on the PAT. Having said that, I studied for 10< hours for that section. Like all things, I think that some people are naturally better at that section but for those of us that are not naturally good at that, that skill can be acquired.
Looking at questions from the PAT now I can reason better having seen them more. Ari's practice can be enough. How much practice is the actual question. I have no idea how long I would have needed to practice to get a 20< score but it was definitely more than 10< hours lol!
Do lots of practice questions and assess yourself and your ability. Are you actually getting them all right? or are you guessing and getting lucky? You have made it this far, you should be able to know how well you either know it or do not know it.

 

[711769]

How much practice is the actual question. I have no idea how long I would have needed to practice to get a 20< score but it was definitely more than 10< hours lol! .

I did 6 months of full time study and so I dedicated the last 2 months to ONLY doing PAT which involved daily ~5-8 hr marathons. My eyes hated me for that stunt

 

[jbarnett2020]

I did 6 months of full time study and so I dedicated the last 2 months to ONLY doing PAT which involved daily ~5-8 hr marathons. My eyes hated me for that stunt

That is brutal! But whatever it takes right? I would take a 24 PAT any day of the week. Great job!

 

[jbarnett2020]

Another thought,

To the original question of the thread, my girlfriend is a perfect example. She is a civil engineer that often works with drafting on AutoCAD and other engineering softwares that model 3D buildings, roads, etc. in 2D. The first time I showed her practice questions from the PAT she got 10/10 featuring various sections of the PAT. Yes, she naturally has a strong ability to figure 3D into 2D but she also gets A LOT of practice. It really depends on the person.

 

[711769]

Another thought,

To the original question of the thread, my girlfriend is a perfect example. She is a civil engineer that often works with drafting on AutoCAD and other engineering softwares that model 3D buildings, roads, etc. in 2D. The first time I showed her practice questions from the PAT she got 10/10 featuring various sections of the PAT. Yes, she naturally has a strong ability to figure 3D into 2D but she also gets A LOT of practice. It really depends on the person.

Most definitely. In fact, my dad is a civil engineer and he thought the test standard was below par because of how easy the PAT was :O. Apparently engineers have these TFE-like assignments which makes our PAT look like joke haha.

 

[711769]

That is brutal! But whatever it takes right? I would take a 24 PAT any day of the week. Great job!

Haha I'd gladly cry myself to sleep again because of angles any day if I can get this score 🙂))

 

[Polkadotfan]

I would say some are better at certain sections of the PAT (edit: right off the bat at least). I picked up cube counting and most of the hole punching very quickly. Could not do well in angles or keyhole for quite a while. I'd work on what I was bad at, and then do the other parts for "fun" to keep up my skills. I never got extremely good at angles and keyhole, but I did get much better over time.

 

[Stanelz]

Its all about practice. my first CDP's and BC's were terrible but then I practiced everyday for hours.

 

[wildzodiac]

No. It is a skill, and with any skill, you get better with practice. It's that simple.

 

[711769]

No. It is a skill, and with any skill, you get better with practice. It's that simple.

And like most skills, you plateau. There's always a cap and unfortunately, like RC, the cap is too low for some people and so they can't excel in it no matter how hard they try (personal experience from RC fyi) :I. Life is a cruel mistress.

 

[wildzodiac]

And like most skills, you plateau. There's always a cap and unfortunately, like RC, the cap is too low for some people and so they can't excel in it no matter how hard they try (personal experience from RC fyi) :I. Life is a cruel mistress.

Well in that case, I guess I should stop practicing my crown preps because I probably just "plateaued."

 

[Alpha Centauri]

I did 6 months of full time study and so I dedicated the last 2 months to ONLY doing PAT which involved daily ~5-8 hr marathons. My eyes hated me for that stunt

Yikes. I didn't study and took my 17 PAT with pride

 

[711769]

Well in that case, I guess I should stop practicing my crown preps because I probably just "plateaued."

That's the spirit!

 

[Namelessking]

For those of you that have excelled in the PAT section, do you think there is a certain intelligence pre requisite to excelling in this section? I have talked to some students who have done superb in the total sciences 25+, but struggled to get 19 or 20 on the PAT. Is repetitive practice on these programs such as Ari's program really enough, or is there a certain natural threshold necessary to obtaining the timing and actual skills to do well in PAT?

I got a 24 in the PAT and it's likely because I'm an extremely handsome and gifted intellectual god that is destined for great things. No, studying for the PAT will not work; just give up. You need the right genetics to do well in sections like this. (end sarcasm).