Are DO schools just safeties?

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First of all I would like to start off by saying my knowledge on DO schools is very limited. The only thing I know is that there are about 20 or so DO schools and that they just emphasize a different philosophy.... something like wholistic treatment (not sure though).... and also they are supposedly much easier to get into with matriculants' stats significantly lower than md schools.
I have a couple of questions...

-are the match lists for DO schools worse than for MD schools? (ie not as many placements into competitive specialties, less prestigious hospitals etc.)

-if one could get into an MD school, is there any good reason one would rather instead go to a DO school?

-which are better, foreign medical schools or DO schools?

-thanks
 
Man! You do just sound as if you were not living in this world. To post a question like that with the comments you provided, you must have no internet, you have never been in a hospital, you have no idea what is medicine, you have never been around pre-meds, or you are just kidding.
 
a little initiative on your part would adress all these questions...search the history of this board, visit osteopathic web sites, then come to your own conclusions
 
actually he sounds like most other premeds i know of... 🙄
 
<<First of all I would like to start off by saying my knowledge on DO schools is very limited.>>

-obviously

<<< The only thing I know is that there are about 20 or so DO schools and that they just emphasize a different philosophy.... something like wholistic treatment (not sure though).... >>>

-yes, something like that

<<and also they are supposedly much easier to get into with matriculants' stats significantly lower than md schools.>>

Generally, the bottom half of MD schools (in terms of admission stats, not education provided) are pretty close to the averages of matriculating DO students.

<<are the match lists for DO schools worse than for MD schools? (ie not as many placements into competitive specialties, less prestigious hospitals etc.)>>

-not really. DO's also get the chance to match into MD and DO post graduate programs

<<if one could get into an MD school, is there any good reason one would rather instead go to a DO schoos>>

-yes. more than one, actually.

<<which are better, foreign medical schools or DO schools?>>

-All will train to to be a competent physician if you put the work in.

Please try out the search fuction and browse through the other 14 million threads exactly like this one
 
well, that didn't work. it's not worth posting again. OP, try out the search fuction and educate yourself about osteopathy
 
1. Match lists - yes, potentially. the best D.O.'s do have opportunities at good allo programs, but you have to shine a little brighter to get noticed

2. Reason why D.O. over M.D. - I got into two very prestigious MD school and chose DO because of the better atmosphere...more familial, and still a quality reputation of producing fine physicians. Since coming here (to OSU) I can't imagine going anywhere else.

3. Foreign schools/DO schools - you will have a lot harder time getting respect as an FMG than you will as a DO, trust me.

To put it simply, the stats ARE lower. Some argue that the reason is that they do not get the upper tier applicants, and to some extent, this is true. But they also look for other factors than just pure numbers. You will feel welcomed, embraced, and appreciated at these schools (unlike how I felt at many other interviews). I plan on applying for and matching to a very competitive residency, and while I feel that being an osteopath may hurt me in that regard, it will mke me a better physician.
 
It seems for the most part my assumptions were sort of correct.... I honestly had never heard of DO degree up until a couple of months ago and I am a pre-med entering my senior year of college. I think that most of the pre-meds I know would have never heard of or considered a DO degree.... If students became more educated and informed about this optiion, I think the DO degree will be a fullly viable alternatiive to an MD without the stigma associated with it.... In the future perhaps, DO schools will be as prominent and prestigious and as competitive as allopathic schools one day.......
 
Plus Hawaiiandoc


Contrary to what may be believed, D.O. schools are not genrally easier to get into. If anything depending on what age/maturity group you are in, they may be harder to get in. The fact most D.O. schools focus less on numbers is balanced by their attempt to selectively seek students who possess other non-cognitive qualities. This may turn out to be harder to have than numbers for most of the pre-med pool.
 
Hawaiiandoc you really don't want to go DO...There not nearly as prominent and prestigious as MD's...In fact, DO's are only allowed to practice in the basements of hospitals and don't even get their own parking spaces. I don't know if you know this...but Hannibal Lechtar was a DO. Dude, don't let the people posting on this site fool you. Being a DO sucks and I'll tell you what I tell all the other premeds who present the same ultra-informed posts as you...Chicks do not dig guys with DO degrees. Plain and simple. Be afraid of the DO degree....Be very afraid. 😱
 
Clever. It's sort of like how the Vikings discovered a green island with volcanic warm springs and some decent land, and called it 'Iceland.' Meanwhile, the vast expanse of snowy plains they called 'Greenland.'

I think the idea is, the more "stigma" the DO is seen to have (and this stigma only seems to exist among premeds) the less competition there will be. Sadly, Pandora's Box is open, and too many of us are already vying for seats. So, nice try, Nater... 😛

To the original poster: do use the Search, since this is a topic that comes up with regularity. However, don't let the sniping and the attitudes scare you off. These are good questions, they're just less fun to answer the 14th time around.

The short answer: Med school is med school, and doctors are doctors. ...Except for all the various ways in which any one will be totally different from any another.

I heard my first-ever bad report of a DO recently. Based on my own subjective, anecdotal evidence, the proportion of good doc DO's to bad doc DO's is somewhat higher than the proportion of good doc MD's to bad doc MD's. But of course, the prevalence of DO's in the first place is lesser.

And a few days here might show you that a person who's a successful student may not necessarily be good at the blend of knowledge/ critical thinking/ humanity/ compassion/ even-temperedness that a good doc needs (ahem).

I'm still forming my impresison, but there does seem to be a general warm-fuzzy sense of primary care focus, and interest in patients as people, in the DO and pre-DO crowds. Certainly nothing about that is special to DO's, and a vast majority of the MD's have it as well... but there is either something in the DO training that builds that up, or the DO emphasis just attracts that sort of doctor-to-be in the first place.

And yes, I'm an older, non-trad career-changer. And yes, my undergrad GPA is 3.02. That's why researching the DO was recommended to me by my friend the newly-minted MD. There's nothing about her training that she thinks I couldn't handle (which is nice, since the DO training is 99.9% the same), and with a glass of wine in her she might even admit that in certain intangible ways, I might be a better doc than her (just as she will always kick my bootie in other ways). But apparently there is a perception among applicants that it's a good idea for someone in my situation to check out the DO route.

That's what I'm doing, and people here and in the admissions office of schools I've called or visited have generally substantiated that perception. DO schools seem to be happy to entertain the idea that a person can become an excellent physician without being focused like a laser on it since the age of 17. Whether this is just a function of the fact that more laser-children aim at MD schools is hard to say, but I'll be applying to both, and I'll go to the place that accepts me.

If I get acceotances at both, then I'll choose the school where the faculty, students, and facilities will give me the best shot at becoming the best doc I can be, considering my own strengths and weaknesses. Whether Joe and Jane Patient are familiar with what a DO is will be far down the list of priorities, because truthfully, they don't care. Best of luck to you as you figure out your own thing.
 
"Are DO schools just safeties?"

Anyone how has gone throught the application process can tell you that there is no such thing as a safety school / easy school to get into.
 
the answer to your question is no. when i applied to med school i was accepted at two do schools out of six that i applied to while on the other hand i had 3 acceptances out of the 10 md schools i applied to. d.o. schools place a greater emphasis on life experiences and personality traits that would make one be an excellent primary care physician. thus if you were to have excellent stats but poor people skills you may find the md route easier. as was previously stated, do some research on the osteopathy before making uninformed statements of hearsay and rumor. part of being a good doctor is taking the initiative to find things out on your own.

MOZ D.O.
 
Call me superficial but I just can't get over the fact that there will not be an MD next to my name after graduating from medical school...When you were a little kid dreaming of going to medical school you always pictured that MD title....With that said, this concept of treating the patient holistically seems right on the ball, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that DO doc's are better than MD doc's....

57% of DO's go into primary care, is this true?
 
Dear Hawaii Doc,

In regards to your questions, DO schools are not merely safety schools to MD schools no longer. As years progress, DO schools are getting better affiliations with their clinical rotation sites. It used to be that DO schools got crappy clinical hospitals to rotate through. Just recently, DO schools have solidified good rotating sites and upgraded on old ones. No longer can an MD say DO training is sub-par.

As for the match lists, many DO docs do go into primary care. I would say that the average is around 60%. However, this does not limit DOs going into specialties. Every year, doors are being opened up to D.O.s. Like any other medical student, you have to work hard and strut your stuff. Remember, we need DO Cardiologists, Pulmonologists, physiatrists and etc to help teach us our medical knowledge in accordance to the D.O. philosophy.

In comparison to FMG, the US doesn't akin to too many FMGs. Few of them get into good specialty residencies. This doesn't rule out that FMG's don't get residencies. Many of the FMG's do their residency at urban and very rural hospitals. In gist, US healthcare system prefers US trained docs. Hope this helps and good luck.
 
Actually, when I was 7 or 8 and dreamning of becoming a doctor, all I could visualize was me with a stethoscope around my neck helping people. If you really need the MD behind your name go to an allopathic medical school, dont go to a DO school. If your stats are poor and you have no other redeeming qualities then you're not going to get into any medical school allopathic or osteopathic. If you think your grades are too low for even saftey allopatic schools then you probabally won't get into an Osteopathic school. Good Luck with the journey.
 
Originally posted by Docgeorge
Actually, when I was 7 or 8 and dreamning of becoming a doctor, all I could visualize was me with a stethoscope around my neck helping people. If you really need the MD behind your name go to an allopathic medical school, dont go to a DO school. If your stats are poor and you have no other redeeming qualities then you're not going to get into any medical school allopathic or osteopathic. If you think your grades are too low for even saftey allopatic schools then you probabally won't get into an Osteopathic school. Good Luck with the journey.

Exactly... If 2 little letters behind your name means that much to you, then go allopathic man. There is absolutley nothing wrong with that. Why do something that isn't what you truly want.

As far as wanting to be an MD from age 7, I had no clue what an MD was. All I knew was that this guy stitching my leg made me better and that's all that mattered. Hence, that made him the doctor.

I've worked in an ED as a tech for the last 2 years and have been called doctor more times than I can count. I don't look particularly doctorly (one time I was even changing the trash), but I guess since I helped to make these people feel better they just assumed I was a doc. I didn't have to have it in flashing neon above my head "Rev. Horace DO!!!!" or something like that. Alot of the time, if not all, people don't care if you're a DO, MD, FMG. All they want is someone who knows what the hell they're doing and can make them feel better so they can get on with their life. The don't give a rats a$$ about where you went to med school or how good you did on your boards, MCAT, etc. All they want is a good doc, and you can be the best no matter where you went to school.
 
This respect thing is out of control. I've worked as an RN for 7 years & worked w/ DO, MD & FMG ----------- I've never experienced a moment where it appeared that one of the doctors was given 'respect' over another doc b/c of where they went for their BASIC training. Respect is earned by being a good, compassionate, knowledgeable doctor & you can become all those things at any of these schools.

I'm beginning to believe that the 'respect' issue is only important to those of us just starting our schooling.............
 
thank you johnhopeful!!!!
my wife is a nurse and has seen the same.....there isn't even the-- hey, i didn't know you're a DO? No one cares....as long as you can do your job as a doctor.
Hawaii--- DO vs MD = national vs. american league. Some minor differences, but both still play professional baseball! If you can't stand being in one league over the other, i would suggest not "trying out", if all you're interested in is playing some ball (ie:being a physician) apply to both and see what sits best with you. I, like many i imagine, didn't intend to go DO at 9 years old, but when i interviewed--the differences between the md's and do schools were big enough to convince me to go DO--- and i know it isn't a compromise to my future.
 
As a patient, board certification is more important than whether the doctor is an MD or DO.

Most of the time they are introduced as Dr. So and so and you don't even know anyway. Or they might be your radiologist or anesthesiologist, or pathologist and you would never know.
 
Hawaiindog,

It sounds like prestige is important to you and there is no shame in admitting this. All of us want to be admired and respected by our patients and colleagues. But trust us on something: although the majority of people don't know what a DO is, the fact is that it really doesn't matter. I say this because in the real world of medicine respect and admiration are earned by your character and skills as a physician and not by your degree title.

With respect to DO schools as safety nets, this has a bit of truth to it. I don't know about other DO schools, but I'd say about a third of my class would have preferred to go to an MD school. Interestingly their reason is not because of the prestige behind and MD degree but because they either don't like/believe in OMT, or because they believe they would have an easier time specializing via an MD program. Anyway, it gets complicated to isolate DO schools as the only schools that act as safety nets because although this may be true sometimes, there are many many MD schools that also serve as safety nets for people.
 
I was going to apply to 3 DO schools as safety schools but eventually applied to only one because the other 2 wanted $100. The one that I interviewed at (considered one of the best DO schools) was great and gave me great impression of an osteopathic education. I was offered a scholarship to attend also. However, the impression was not strong enough to sway me. You can get great residencies coming from a DO school but it is harder, no matter what anyone tells you. Almost half of the people that I met at the DO school I interviewed at said they would have rather attended an MD school. Yes, DO schools are safeties for some applicants but it's a crapshoot and you never know what wil happen.🙄
 
Ok
I just wanted to say, that I work as an RN in a pretty big hospital, in a cardiac step down unit. I muct say that there are MD's, DO's, MBBS's running around. NO ONE even thinks twice about the differences. If anything I have noticed, some of the foreign docs run around with more arrogance than any American trained doctor. You would never know the difference, and honestly I don't think anyone really cares. All doctors are treated as doctors, the only difference is that the sweet ones are treated better(the ones who are nice to everyone, and treat others with respect)
I don't know if my post made sense, but I know what I mean🙂
 
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