are doctor's leaders?

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As a teenager I had the op. to take part in a youth leadership program. It has been one of the highlights of my life. Later on I was a temporary leader of a small church in Mexico and saw to it's day to day operations. Needless to say... I loved both those leadership experiences and they were most def. the highlights of my life. Are doctors leaders? Typically I would think that lawyers and teachers are the community activists, setting up events and working for the overall good. Doctors play an indispensable roll but I don't think that they would be considered community leaders? Am I never going to be loosing valuable and gratifying leadership opportunities by choosing to be a doc? Let me know what you think.
 
I personally would like to see more physicians take on the leadership role, but I don't see that very often unfortunately. But, I don't think that has much to do with the profession. Leadership is a personal decision/trait, IMHO.
 
You going to get a pretty wide range of opinions here. My opinion is that while there are many opportunities for physicians to lead, community leadership is not necessarily part of the job in the way that ADCOMs would like you to think. Doctors, at least in the context of modern healthcare, are not necessarily leaders in the same way that a teacher, priest, buisnessman, or politican is forced to be simply by the necesities of their jobs. The simple truth is that the vast majority of doctors do a job that requires no significant leadership beyond their leadership of a very small healthcare team that doesn't exactly answer to them anyway. They're more like engineers: skilled technical professionals at the head (sorta) of a team of less but also skilled professionals.

However this doesn't mean that physcians can't lead. Healthcare is a complicated subject and the number of leadership roles are probably greater than the number of people willing to fill them (especially if you include the sort of role, like a mission or a small town doctor, where you'd be leading either for free or for very little pay). So if you want leadership opportunities they'll be there. The world needs more Paul Farmers, it's just that most doctors decide not to be Paul Farmer after a few years of medical school
 
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You going to get a pretty wide range of opinions here. My opinion is that while there are many opportunities for physicians to lead, community leadership is not necessarily part of the job in the way that ADCOMs would like you to think. Doctors, at least in the context of modern healthcare, are not necessarily leaders in the same way that a teacher, priest, buisnessman, or politican is forced to be simply by the necesities of their jobs. The simple truth is that the vast majority of doctors do a job that requires no significant leadership beyond their leadership of a very small healthcare team that doesn't exactly answer to them anyway. They're more like engineers: skilled technical professionals at the head (sorta) of a team of less but also skilled professionals.

However this doesn't mean that physcians can't lead. Healthcare is a complicated subject and the number of leadership roles are probably greater than the number of people willing to fill them (especially if you include the sort of role, like a mission or a small town doctor, where you'd be leading either for free or for very little pay). So if you want leadership opportunities they'll be there. The world needs more Paul Farmers, it's just that most doctors decide not to be Paul Farmer after a few years of medical school

Yes, I welcome all wide ranges of opinion on this matter. It is good to see Dr. Farmer's name comes up so frequently, as I just finished reading one of his books.
 
As I am not a physician nor am I even in medical school I am probably going to be speaking from an idealized point of view. But my opinion that to be a successful doctor you need to be a leader. I don't know about being a community leader, but as a doctor you need to gain people's trust and respect to do what you ask them to do in order to ensure a healthy life. I see this as one of the ultimate leadership roles that a person can take on. You are taking responsibility for hundreds of people's health and making decisions that affect it. So in short I think that doctors are leaders, as far as community leaders though that probably depends on the individual more.
 
Only Individuals are leaders. No single profession (Teachers, Doctors, Lawyers, etc) can claim a total population of leaders. There are teachers that lead and teachers that do not. We've all had examples of both. It is the individual, regardless of station, that provides leadership.
 
Only Individuals are leaders. No single profession (Teachers, Doctors, Lawyers, etc) can claim a total population of leaders. There are teachers that lead and teachers that do not. We've all had examples of both. It is the individual, regardless of station, that provides leadership.

I agree. You can't really lump people into groups based solely on profession. A certain occupation may select for a certain type of person more often, but you can't really generalize from there.
 
It varies with the individual doctor, there are certainly plenty of opportunities for physicians to lead.
I agree with this. I work with a lot of physicians who are "leaders" in what they do. They use their knowledge and experience to create things to impact a large number of people. They are in charge of people and projects and have responsibilities and control outside of seeing patients.

There are many, many other physicians who simply go to work to see patients and then go home. They don't take a leadership role in teaching, making business changes, managment, or taking on research efforts.
 
I've been asked several times in interviews about leadership roles I have had. So leadership experience is at least somewhat important to schools. As a physician the patient is ultimately your responsibility, you are the leader of a team of healthcare professionals who are caring for that patient.
 
As a teenager I had the op. to take part in a youth leadership program. It has been one of the highlights of my life. Later on I was a temporary leader of a small church in Mexico and saw to it's day to day operations. Needless to say... I loved both those leadership experiences and they were most def. the highlights of my life. Are doctors leaders? Typically I would think that lawyers and teachers are the community activists, setting up events and working for the overall good. Doctors play an indispensable roll but I don't think that they would be considered community leaders? Am I never going to be loosing valuable and gratifying leadership opportunities by choosing to be a doc? Let me know what you think.

Once you enter medicine, you do not opt out of the rest of your life. Those folks who were "leaders" (community or otherwise) will continue to lead in some capacity. Medicine does not fundamentally change the type of person that one is. Medicine is a profession that different types of people (leaders, followers and in-between) will enter.

There are plenty of physicians that are community activists, lawmakers and leaders in research and academia. Just because one enters a profession, it does not mean that everything in your life end. You may have to schedule your "leadership" activities around your work schedule but most people do that anyway.
 
Only Individuals are leaders. No single profession (Teachers, Doctors, Lawyers, etc) can claim a total population of leaders. There are teachers that lead and teachers that do not. We've all had examples of both. It is the individual, regardless of station, that provides leadership.
This doesn't mean that all professions offer the same opportunities for leadership.

Some careers, business comes to mind, REQUIRE leadership for success. A successful businessman is someone who creates a plan for a group and then organizises/motivates them to follow it. In other words, leadership. Similar examples include social workers, politicians, policy analysits, anyone in finance, etc.

Some professions offer opportunities for leadership, but don't require it if you don't want it. Medicine, law, and teaching seem like excellent examples. You can certainly spend you time trying to organize your colleagues and community,, but you can also succeed as an individual professional selling his/her services.

And some professions don't particularly lend themselves to leadership even if you want it. In science and engineering, for example, most companies have a set up that the management side of things provides the leadership and even senior engineering professionals just provide estimates of feasibility for management objectives and then do the work (I know this isn't the case at all firms). Of course, the engineers can move on to the management side of things, but then they're not really engineers anymore.

Of course whille I lump medicine into the 'leadership optional' category, I think it varies by residency. There are a few fields, such as infectious diseases, which more or less require leadership if you want any sort of positive outcome for your patient population. On the other hand I don't many ways a plastic surgeon would be a leader with the possible exception of within his/her own professional organizations. For primary care I think it gets even more complicated: with hospitalists having relatively few chances to lead major community based interventions (except when they're pretty high up the hospital food chain) and small town doctors having the chance to be leaders in the Community's health issues right away.

Now this doesn't mean that anyone can't be a leader in their community in their spare time. You can do that whether you're a CEO or a garbage man. However I think the OP was asking whether doctors are leaders when they're on the clock. The opprtunity will always be there for those that want them, but depending on your preferences and specialty the answer might be no.
 
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One of the best leaders this country has ever had, Senator Bill Frist, is also a heart surgeon. I wish he was running for President.
 
Good question, especially considering that some med schools look for that quality. Mussolini was a great leader. He probably would have been given a full-ride somewhere.
 
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