Are Ohio State and Cincinnati considered mid tiers?

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Mid Tier?

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  • Cinci only

    Votes: 7 8.4%

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Just curious, but is the overall consensus on these schools mid tier? Both are ~35-40 in Research/NIH funding
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They are two solid state schools that most would consider mid tier, at least in the Midwest
 
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Here's my general feeling on things as an uninformed pre-med: anything 3.7 & above on the US News rankings of residency director ratings is high tier or top tier. The only exception is Georgetown, which has a pretty unimpressive match list. I have no idea why it's rated highly because their student body is pretty subpar academically as well. George Washington University also seems to be ranked higher than it should be, so maybe the residency directors that submitted the ratings were based in DC. Wouldn't be the most surprising thing in the world, since US News is also headquartered in DC. Also, the residency director rankings are pretty unreliable in terms of comparing one school to another. They're mainly just useful for getting a general feel of where things stand.

Ohio State got a ranking of 3.5, so it probably wouldn't be considered high tier. Cincy definitely wouldn't be high tier. I'd say they're both mid tiers, although Ohio State definitely has a better rep.

Sorry for rambling...
 
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Huggy said:
I'm curious why the answer to the question matters at all to you.
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They are two of my state schools and I was just curious. I know that the "mid-tier" line is somewhat blurred, but wanted to see if there was a consensus on these two.

I consider the schools from 21-40 +/- a couple spots in NIH funding to be mid tier
 
Frogger27 said:
I'm interested to hear what your list of "mid-tiers" looks like... mind sharing?
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I've never made a master list or anything like that. I personally have only ever used "top tier" to describe schools in the top ~20 (by rep not NIH) and would consider "low tier" (not even a term I really use) to be mostly comprised of newer/less established schools and mission driven/public schools.
 
PatchAdams25 said:
They are two of my state schools and I was just curious. I know that the "mid-tier" line is somewhat blurred, but wanted to see if there was a consensus on these two.

I consider the schools from 21-40 +/- a couple spots in NIH funding to be mid tier
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Mid-Tier goes way below #40 -- probably down into the 70's or so. Mid tier would encompass the VAST majority of US Medical schools and the differences between "upper mid tier" and "lower mid tier" are pretty insignificant.
 
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hungrybox said:
Here's my general feeling on things as an uninformed pre-med: anything 3.7 & above on the US News rankings of residency director ratings is high tier or top tier. The only exception is Georgetown, which has a pretty unimpressive match list. I have no idea why it's rated highly because their student body is pretty subpar academically as well. George Washington University also seems to be ranked higher than it should be, so maybe the residency directors that submitted the ratings were based in DC. Wouldn't be the most surprising thing in the world, since US News is also headquartered in DC. Also, the residency director rankings are pretty unreliable in terms of comparing one school to another. They're mainly just useful for getting a general feel of where things stand.

Ohio State got a ranking of 3.5, so it probably wouldn't be considered high tier. Cincy definitely wouldn't be high tier. I'd say they're both mid tiers, although Ohio State definitely has a better rep.

Sorry for rambling...
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Curious why you say Ohio State has such a better rep?
 
Depends on what you mean by mid. Competitiveness to get in? Match list? Name recognition?

I would say by most definitions, both are mid-tier.

Why are you asking?
 
LOL at all the people asking why he cares about what "tier" it is. While it is true that it doesn't matter in the long run, OP (and other people) are only human and would prefer to go to a high ranking school, everything else considered equal. The only people that are an exception to this are those who think they are God's gift to medicine and apply to only top 20 schools; those people I like to call out and tell them to sense reality.
 
Huggy said:
I don't at all understand what you just said
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I sense that people are being hostile towards OP for asking what tier those med schools are. I feel like we shouldn't be so hostile towards people for asking those kinds of questions because they are only human. Anyone would prefer to go to a higher ranked school if all else was equal.

How did you do on the Verbal/CARS section of the MCAT?
 
Huggy said:
I'm not sure how my cars score has anything to do with this post. But since you asked, I bombed it. I'd advise you not to bash other members' scores, especially when you've yet to take the exam yourself.

Good luck getting into medical school
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I never bashed your score. I anticipated you saying something like "just because we asked him why he wants to know what tier it is, doesn't mean we are judging him". Exactly how just because I asked what your score was, doesn't mean I was bashing your score. Furthermore, how do you know I haven't taken it yet 0_o
 
LoveBeingHuman:) said:
Anyone would prefer to go to a higher ranked school if all else was equal.
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That's not really true. I've had plenty of students who could get into one of these "higher ranked" schools who found a better fit at a school that elitists would look down on. The obsession with rankings and tiers is something I don't encounter nearly as much outside of SDN.
 
prehealthadvisor55 said:
That's not really true. I've had plenty of students who could get into one of these "higher ranked" schools who found a better fit at a school that elitists would look down on. The obsession with rankings and tiers is something I don't encounter nearly as much outside of SDN.
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That's precisely why I said "if all else was equal" which encompasses money/location/fit/mission/weather etc
 
LoveBeingHuman:) said:
That's precisely why I said "if all else was equal" which encompasses money/location/fit/mission/weather etc
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My point is this number/ranking obsession is something I don't see outside of SDN. So to say "anyone" would look at things the way you might is presumptive at best.
 
prehealthadvisor55 said:
My point is this number/ranking obsession is something I don't see outside of SDN. So to say "anyone" would look at things the way you might is presumptive at best.
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Just because you don't see it outside of SDN doesn't mean it's not there -- It is. It's not nearly as important as getting into an elite law school or MBA program, or even getting into an Ivy League or equivalent undergrad. But it does matter to some extent. Having the most prestigious tip-top credentials can help you land the most coveted residency spots and the most coveted academic positions post-residency. Certainly some significant part of that is the presumption that only the very strongest candidates can amass those most prestigious credentials -- but that's kind of what we're talking about here.

The important take-away though is that there are just a few top medical programs that will significantly enhance your future, a relatively small number of low-tier options that could limit your options, and that the vast majority of US MD schools fall into that broad middle ground where your future is almost completely up to you and how diligently and intelligently you work.

Certainly Cincy and The Ohio State both fall into this vast middle tier.
 
Curious- at what number in the research ranking does a school become "lower tier" versus mid tier? Best guess would be, 75ish
 
hungrybox said:
The match lists for Dartmouth and Brown seem to be very strong.
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Wut? This has nothing to do with a ranking. Not to mention match lists are almost impossible to interpret for pre-meds.

LoveBeingHuman:) said:
That's precisely why I said "if all else was equal" which encompasses money/location/fit/mission/weather etc
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Well yeah I mean I would totally pick a top school too over any other if it was right next to my house in an area with nice weather and had extremely low tuition.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Wut? This has nothing to do with a ranking. Not to mention match lists are almost impossible to interpret for pre-meds.



Well yeah I mean I would totally pick a top school too over any other if it was right next to my house in an area with nice weather and had extremely low tuition.
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Are you talking about my throwing out a ranking? Kkkkkk cool. But I didn't read the entire thread, just went off OP's question which was based on "Both are ~35-40 in Research/NIH funding" which is where they are on the US News whatever what not research ranking.
 
sammiesings said:
Curious- at what number in the research ranking does a school become "lower tier" versus mid tier? Best guess would be, 75ish
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Personally, I would put schools in the top 45-50 in research as mid tier.. but I know this is pretty subjective and some people will argue all the way to 75
 
DokterMom said:
Just because you don't see it outside of SDN doesn't mean it's not there -- It is. It's not nearly as important as getting into an elite law school or MBA program, or even getting into an Ivy League or equivalent undergrad. But it does matter to some extent. Having the most prestigious tip-top credentials can help you land the most coveted residency spots and the most coveted academic positions post-residency. Certainly some significant part of that is the presumption that only the very strongest candidates can amass those most prestigious credentials -- but that's kind of what we're talking about here.

The important take-away though is that there are just a few top medical programs that will significantly enhance your future, a relatively small number of low-tier options that could limit your options, and that the vast majority of US MD schools fall into that broad middle ground where your future is almost completely up to you and how diligently and intelligently you work.

Certainly Cincy and The Ohio State both fall into this vast middle tier.
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What schools that fall in low-tier would you say limit your options?
 
sammiesings said:
Are you talking about my throwing out a ranking? Kkkkkk cool. But I didn't read the entire thread, just went off OP's question which was based on "Both are ~35-40 in Research/NIH funding" which is where they are on the US News whatever what not research ranking.
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What? No, my responses were literally solely for the parts I quoted from other people. Did you quote me by mistake?
 
sammiesings said:
Curious- at what number in the research ranking does a school become "lower tier" versus mid tier? Best guess would be, 75ish
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You'll have to ask OP, he seems to have it down to an exact science, complete with measurement error.

PatchAdams25 said:
I consider the schools from 21-40 +/- a couple spots in NIH funding to be mid tier
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