Are there really that many jobs?

[pathstudent]

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I was thinking about all that has been written.

The Bay Area must have 20 people finishing per year. Are there really that many jobs open every year in the Bay Area or all of Norther California.

Boston must have 40 people finishing per year. Are there really 40 opening per year in Boston.

LA must have 30 people finishing per year. Are there really 30 opening in LA per year?

Can the job market and the future of the job market really be that good when other physicians can hire pathologists to sign out cases for 1/3 of what medicare pays?

 

[exPCM]

I was thinking about all that has been written.

The Bay Area must have 20 people finishing per year. Are there really that many jobs open every year in the Bay Area or all of Norther California.
No
Boston must have 40 people finishing per year. Are there really 40 opening per year in Boston.
No
LA must have 30 people finishing per year. Are there really 30 opening in LA per year?
No
Can the job market and the future of the job market really be that good when other physicians can hire pathologists to sign out cases for 1/3 of what medicare pays?
No. If pathologists were not oversupplied and fighting for each and every specimen and fighting for survival then they would keep good business and tell any urologist or GI wanting to pay them only a fraction of the professional component to f*** off. The Uros and Gastros would have to give up on this scheme if there were not a surplus of pathologists because no pathologists would agree to it in a good job market. In fact the very frequency of these arrangements in pathlogy is de facto proof of the lousy job market. In radiology, where the job market is good, these type of things rarely happen.

Pathstudent - excellent questions.

 

[Parts Unknown]

I was thinking about all that has been written.

The Bay Area must have 20 people finishing per year. Are there really that many jobs open every year in the Bay Area or all of Norther California.

Boston must have 40 people finishing per year. Are there really 40 opening per year in Boston.

LA must have 30 people finishing per year. Are there really 30 opening in LA per year?

Uhhhhh, for real?

It should be, um, pretty obvious that training programs tend to concentrate in populated areas that support academic medical centers, and many grads will diffuse into the thousands of towns and cities across the country that require pathology services. As you can see, there are about 5,800 hospitals in the US. How many new pathologists can they absorb every year? That is the question.

 

[yaah]

I would doubt there were that many jobs in the bay area (or around anywhere where training programs are heavily concentrated). That is probably true for most specialties though, so to say pathology is unique in that aspect would be disingenuous. Parts Unknown's question is more relevant. I have no idea why that data never really gets published (for any specialty) in any meaningful way. It would be interesting to simply have data about how many practicing pathologists there are in a specific state, what their practices are (i.e. academic, reference lab, whatever), how many retire each year or leave the state, and how many new hires start. Making suppositions off of half-assed data and anecdote only leads to uncontrollable rumors that help no one.

 

[pathstudent]

Uhhhhh, for real?

It should be, um, pretty obvious that training programs tend to concentrate in populated areas that support academic medical centers, and many grads will diffuse into the thousands of towns and cities across the country that require pathology services. As you can see, there are about 5,800 hospitals in the US. How many new pathologists can they absorb every year? That is the question.

Two points.

Young urban professionals who chose to go to sf or Boston for residency would probably much rather live in those metros post residency than remote rural locations or exurbia.

Take la and sf. Las metro area is nearly 20 million and sf is nearly 7 million. How many jobs are there outside of those metros? La is one of the largest elite urban cities in the world. If it can't absorb the 30 residents it trains a year plus the scores of pathologists who would much rather there than exurban bland midwest

 

[pathstudent]

Two points.

Young urban professionals who chose to go to sf or Boston for residency would probably much rather live in those metros post residency than remote rural locations or exurbia.

Take la and sf. Las metro area is nearly 20 million and sf is nearly 7 million. How many jobs are there outside of those metros? La is one of the largest elite urban cities in the world. If it can't absorb the 30 residents it trains a year plus the scores of pathologists who would much rather there than exurban bland midwest then where is everyone to go

 

[Parts Unknown]

Two points.

Young urban professionals who chose to go to sf or Boston for residency would probably much rather live in those metros post residency than remote rural locations or exurbia.

Well I would much rather be in a Lamborghini right now, screaming down an endless black stretch of road with a bottle of Captain Morgan in one hand, a scorching hot 20 year old Japanese flight attendant in the other, and an impending rendezvous with six blond Swedish massage therapist/hookers, with a penchant for light bondage, in a suite at the Four Seasons.

But that's not what I'm going to get, is it?

Take la and sf. Las metro area is nearly 20 million and sf is nearly 7 million. How many jobs are there outside of those metros? La is one of the largest elite urban cities in the world. If it can't absorb the 30 residents it trains a year plus the scores of pathologists who would much rather there than exurban bland midwest

Per the info I have seen, there are approximately 13,000 practicing pathologists in the country right now. If you bend the numbers a little one way or the other in terms of surgical volume or years of practice you can justify residency graduate numbers ranging from 200-700.

Really helpful, eh?