Are urology or OB/GYN considered surgical subspecialties?

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

And further, is there usually separate departments for these specialties or would they be divisions contained in the department if surgery?

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[Winged Scapula]

And further, is there usually separate departments for these specialties or would they be divisions contained in the department if surgery?

Urology is always considered a surgical specialty. Sometimes they are a division under general surgery but many have their own department.

Ob-Gyn is considered by some to be a surgical specialty but it is almost never associated with a Surgery department; they have their own department.

 

[LizzyM]

Urology is its own department. OB-GYN is its own department. Both specialties deal with conditions that may be treated non-surgically as well as having surgical procedures in their armamentarium.

 

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

OK so I would assume the same for ENT and Optho (having their own independent departments)?

 

[Planes2Doc]

Yes. They are, they are considered surgical sub-specialties. I know that OBGYN tends to get knocked by some and called "practitioners" instead of surgeons. It also depends on what exactly you consider surgery. Both interventional cardiology and gastroenterology stem from internal medicine, but they perform procedures in the OR that you can consider "surgery." As does interventional radiology.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Yes. They are, they are considered surgical sub-specialties. I know that OBGYN tends to get knocked by some and called "practitioners" instead of surgeons. It also depends on what exactly you consider surgery. Both interventional cardiology and gastroenterology stem from internal medicine, but they perform procedures in the OR that you can consider "surgery." As does interventional radiology.

The difference is that I've never met a GI doc who tried to convince me that he is surgeon. I've seen numerous OB/GYNs in real life talk about how they are surgeons just as much as any other surgeon.

Not saying I disagree, but they are the only ones I've ever heard talk about that. Which is weird, because if you've ever even seen a TAH or an LAVH, I'm not sure how you could argue otherwise.

 

[Planes2Doc]

The difference is that I've never met a GI doc who tried to convince me that he is surgeon. I've seen numerous OB/GYNs in real life talk about how they are surgeons just as much as any other surgeon.

Not saying I disagree, but they are the only ones I've ever heard talk about that. Which is weird, because if you've ever even seen a TAH or an LAVH, I'm not sure how you could argue otherwise.

Yeah, the pelvis is complicated and I have seen some pretty crazy stuff. I once scrubbed in on a long gyn/onc surgery. People say that ureters get cut and sometimes the bowels can get cut too, and then urology and general surgery, respectively, need to be called in. I have never seen that happen, but that's what I keep hearing. Once I saw a crash c-section done in just a couple minutes, I had nothing but respect for them. I seriously considered OBGYN as a career.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Yeah, the pelvis is complicated and I have seen some pretty crazy stuff. I once scrubbed in on a long gyn/onc surgery. People say that ureters get cut and sometimes the bowels can get cut too, and then urology and general surgery, respectively, need to be called in. I have never seen that happen, but that's what I keep hearing. Once I saw a crash c-section done in just a couple minutes, I had nothing but respect for them. I seriously considered OBGYN as a career.

I've seen the bowel get cut once. A general surgeon came in to bail them out, but he wasn't a dick about it.

As for the ureters, almost all the GYNs I worked with had a urologist put in stents first and then do a quick cysto at the end. One of the GYNs also had done a uro fellowship, so he just did it himself.

I mean I'm not really sure what that has anything to do with anything. I've seen a urologist consult a general surgeon during an operation. Does that mean they're not surgeons either?

And yeah, I've scrubbed on some gyn onc cases. Almost all of them were very depressing.

Edit: every call was almost invariably accompanied by a section. A couple of them were legit emergencies where the doc was scrubbed in an pouring betadine on the pt's belly when I walked into the room to gown up.

 

[armybound]

Why would urologists not be considered surgeons?