Are we allowed to touch the monitor during DAT test?

[woox]

Are we allowed to touch the monitor during DAT test?

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[wizi]

Are we allowed to touch the monitor during DAT test?

No, you cant touch the screen.

 

[NYOD]

i dont see why not. when i took it, there were 15 other test takers. they couldn't care less what you're doing at your desk unless you're blatantly cheating. i doubt the proctors care enough to come in and stop you from touching the screen. i did it during cube counting without any problems.

 

[tinman831]

i dont see why not. when i took it, there were 15 other test takers. they couldn't care less what you're doing at your desk unless you're blatantly cheating. i doubt the proctors care enough to come in and stop you from touching the screen. i did it during cube counting without any problems.

The problem is, if you have a proctor who happens to be having a bad day and decides to enforce their rules, you're in trouble. Better that you ask your proctor before your exam rather than find out the hard way.

 

[flaming0duckie]

I don't see why not. You should have seen me yesterday, pressing my index finger to solve the almost impossible angle rankings during my PAT. 😀

 

[molar3]

ima be all over that comp screen during PAT.
and i dont currr whose watching👍

 

[rockclock]

don't know who's joking and who's serious...but fyi, you're monitored on closed circuit tv the whole time and that tape can get reviewed when your score gets audited before it's made official

also if you suck at angle ranking, i'd bet that you still pretty much suck even after using any other tricks including touching the screen. by all means, risk everything for an extra point in PAT though...

 

[LetsGo2DSchool]

Ok, if you can't touch the screen with your fingers, then are you allowed to put your dry erase marker or laminated sheet or finger near the screen without actually touching it?

 

[Potatochips]

don't know who's joking and who's serious...but fyi, you're monitored on closed circuit tv the whole time and that tape can get reviewed when your score gets audited before it's made official

also if you suck at angle ranking, i'd bet that you still pretty much suck even after using any other tricks including touching the screen. by all means, risk everything for an extra point in PAT though...

Haha no offense but what you said is blatantly stupid

You are basically saying "if you suck at angle ranking might as well just give up on that section" which is not true. Touching the screen aka minimizing both angles into same distance is the best method that someone can use for angle ranking section.

I took the DAT three days ago. I didn't bother to ask my proctor if I am allowed to touch the computer screen but I did it anyways and it turned out to be just fine. It doesn't hurt to ask your proctor before the exam begins because you really can't afford to waste any seconds for PAT since you are only allowed 40 seconds per question.

 

[herkulease]

The problem is, if you have a proctor who happens to be having a bad day and decides to enforce their rules, you're in trouble. Better that you ask your proctor before your exam rather than find out the hard way.

Yup.

I said this in another thread, but the when you signed up for the exam, you agreed to various rules of conduct.

1 of them is that you will follow all instructions of YOUR test center.

They(test center staff) are given free reign to decide whether or not you are violating a rule. You can bet that if and when a dispute comes up about rules, they will point to that item of the agreement.

I seriously would not trust the words of anyone here on their experience with touching/no touching or some rep you get when call up the ada. I doubt anyone of them will be sticking their neck out to defend you, if you happen to be asked to leave for touching the screen.

 

[flaming0duckie]

Haha no offense but what you said is blatantly stupid

You are basically saying "if you suck at angle ranking might as well just give up on that section" which is not true. Touching the screen aka minimizing both angles into same distance is the best method that someone can use for angle ranking section.

I took the DAT three days ago. I didn't bother to ask my proctor if I am allowed to touch the computer screen but I did it anyways and it turned out to be just fine. It doesn't hurt to ask your proctor before the exam begins because you really can't afford to waste any seconds for PAT since you are only allowed 40 seconds per question.

Right on. There is absolutely nothing wrong with touching the screen. That does not entail cheating; I'm very well aware that I was monitored from above by security cameras during my entire 5 hour test, but they did not stop me. I also touched the screen during a math problem in which they asked which was the median number and I was eliminating numbers from both ends. WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU. I'm happy with the 21 I got on PAT. If they don't like it, they'll come in and tell you, but I doubt they'll invalidate your 275 dollar test because you touched their germ-covered screen.

 

[UCF FINatic]

Guys and Gals the answer is no. I thought it was no, but have been wavering until I read this:

"The Perceptual Ability Test includes various types of nonverbal visual acuity items. There are six sections in the Perceptual Ability Test. One section covers two-dimensional perception, while the other sections cover three-dimensional perception. It is important that you read and understand the instructions at the beginning of each section. You must pace yourself so that you complete all six sections of the Perceptual Ability Test within the given time frame. You are not permitted to use measuring devices (i.e., pencils and fingers) while taking the Perceptual Ability Test."

This is from the instructions from the online paid version of the practice exam. I am unsure if you can see the link, since I had to pay for it but I will include a screenshot later on after I take this DAT.

 

[UCF FINatic]

Guys and Gals the answer is no. I thought it was no, but have been wavering until I read this:


This is from the instructions from the online paid version of the practice exam. I am unsure if you can see the link, since I had to pay for it but I will include a screenshot later on after I take this DAT.

I just tried to attach it, but the snippit or whatever exceeds the limit and I don't know how to make it smaller.

You might be able to get away with using your fingers, but if you get caught you could be in deep trouble. I would recommend not using your fingers at all.

 

[NYOD]

Guys and Gals the answer is no. I thought it was no, but have been wavering until I read this:


This is from the instructions from the online paid version of the practice exam. I am unsure if you can see the link, since I had to pay for it but I will include a screenshot later on after I take this DAT.

the proctors do not know this information. they dont care.

 

[LetsGo2DSchool]

The key phrase is that it says you can't use any kind of measuring device during PAT. But you can use it for other sections such as Reading Comp if it helps you read the passage faster. So how will the proctors know if you're on PAT or not?

I highly doubt any proctors know this. I'm just going to ask innocently before taking the exam if I can touch the screen claiming that it helps me think better as I narrow down answer choices.

And the part of the you being videotaped, that's in case if you were caught cheating (such as pulling out a calculator or notes or your cell phone, etc) and then they have video to prove it.

 

[UCF FINatic]

The key phrase is that it says you can't use any kind of measuring device during PAT. But you can use it for other sections such as Reading Comp if it helps you read the passage faster. So how will the proctors know if you're on PAT or not?

I highly doubt any proctors know this. I'm just going to ask innocently before taking the exam if I can touch the screen claiming that it helps me think better as I narrow down answer choices.

And the part of the you being videotaped, that's in case if you were caught cheating (such as pulling out a calculator or notes or your cell phone, etc) and then they have video to prove it.

Or using your fingers, as blantantly pointed out in the rules. If you still want to do it go ahead I won't stop you.

 

[Pat Kelly]

why would you risk your future career for such a small thing like this? Stop taking shortcuts. It states very clearly in the rules that you can't use any sort of measuring device. It DOESN'T MATTER what your proctor says or what your Prometric center says. If your score gets invalidated because of this it stays with you forever since you use the same DENTPIN for the rest of your "career". I wouldn't even want people who cheat their way through this exam to continue on to dental school... what about your personal ethics?

 

[Potatochips]

why would you risk your future career for such a small thing like this? Stop taking shortcuts. It states very clearly in the rules that you can't use any sort of measuring device. It DOESN'T MATTER what your proctor says or what your Prometric center says. If your score gets invalidated because of this it stays with you forever since you use the same DENTPIN for the rest of your "career". I wouldn't even want people who cheat their way through this exam to continue on to dental school... what about your personal ethics?

I think you are going too far. Talking about personal ethics/cheating their way through the exam for touching computer screen.

 

[dentalWorks]

you are allowed to do whatever you want in the testing center.

If you think you need a little help with PAT, bring a protractor and a few pieces of paper just so you can shadow-draw on the screen

If your unhappy with the calculator they provide for the QR, just bring your own scientific, hell white your at it, bring your whole laptop.

 

[Pat Kelly]

I think you are going too far. Talking about personal ethics/cheating their way through the exam for touching computer screen.

It's not about touching the computer screen. It's that you used your hands to help you through the angle section. It is explicitly stated in the test guide that it IS NOT ALLOWED. Just because your examiner or test center doesn't call you out on it DOES NOT MAKE IT OKAY. That's like saying if you write a closed book exam at a large lecture hall and your TAs don't catch you cheating, so it must be okay to sneak in exam notes.

 

[2th Doc]

Maybe the proctors are just lackadaisical here, but a friend of mine said he called ahead to see if he could use two credit cards ( to compare angles ) and they said it was fine, and that's what he did on the exam. That seems like blatant cheating, but yeah, apparently whatever they say, goes (just hope you don't get audited by a higher power who knows better). I do agree with many here though, that you should follow the directions for honesty's sake, even if your proctors are clueless and give you "approval" to do something that it is against the rules that are stated in the exam or elsewhere officially. I don't consider that using your resources, I consider that using someone else's ignorance to justify your cheating.

 

[dentalWorks]

Maybe the proctors are just lackadaisical here, but a friend of mine said he called ahead to see if he could use two credit cards ( to compare angles ) and they said it was fine, and that's what he did on the exam. That seems like blatant cheating, but yeah, apparently whatever they say, goes (just hope you don't get audited by a higher power who knows better). I do agree with many here though, that you should follow the directions for honesty's sake, even if your proctors are clueless and give you "approval" to do something that it is against the rules that are stated in the exam or elsewhere officially. I don't consider that using your resources, I consider that using someone else's ignorance to justify your cheating.

There is NO WAY this is true

The wholeeeeee reason they took away paper and pencils and replaced them with that gawd-awful laminated sheet and erasable markers is because people were using the paper on the screen to help with PAT.

The PAT section is supposed to be done with NOTHING but your vision.... any other "instrument" to approximate the answer on the screen SHOULD/WILL be considered cheating if the powers-to-be decided to review your particular test video.

I assure you, the $300 you paid for the test will be the LEAST of your problems.

 

[woox]

Some times for PAT angles I like to cover up with my thumb to make the legs when comparing 2 the same "length"

or for hole punching when I am eliminated choices I keep my fingers on the possible choices/choices left

 

[2th Doc]

There is NO WAY this is true

The wholeeeeee reason they took away paper and pencils and replaced them with that gawd-awful laminated sheet and erasable markers is because people were using the paper on the screen to help with PAT.

The PAT section is supposed to be done with NOTHING but your vision.... any other "instrument" to approximate the answer on the screen SHOULD/WILL be considered cheating if the powers-to-be decided to review your particular test video.

I assure you, the $300 you paid for the test will be the LEAST of your problems.

How can you be so sure? He really had no reason to lie. It certainly could be true... if the proctor was ignorant enough to not know the rules of the test (it's not like Prometric only offers the DAT and all employees know it inside and out), and he was lucky enough to not get audited (considering he got a 28TS/27AA). The point of my bringing this up is not that you should try to do this yourself, but that everyone's experience may be different depending on what the proctors decide. But, if you want to be 100% safe, always stick to the written rules, regardless of what someone else says is okay to do, even if it's the proctor.

 

[rockclock]

Haha no offense but what you said is blatantly stupid

You are basically saying "if you suck at angle ranking might as well just give up on that section" which is not true. Touching the screen aka minimizing both angles into same distance is the best method that someone can use for angle ranking section.

I took the DAT three days ago. I didn't bother to ask my proctor if I am allowed to touch the computer screen but I did it anyways and it turned out to be just fine. It doesn't hurt to ask your proctor before the exam begins because you really can't afford to waste any seconds for PAT since you are only allowed 40 seconds per question.

no what i'm saying is that if you suck at angle ranking your best bet is getting better the hard way, through hours of practice. A gimmick method like using your hands, etc. is not all that effective and jeopardizes your dat score (if it gets invalidated).

Your mix of poor comprehension and douchebaggery should do wonders at interviews though, keep it up! 👍

 

[LetsGo2DSchool]

What is their process of auditing?

 

[dentalWorks]

How can you be so sure? He really had no reason to lie. It certainly could be true... if the proctor was ignorant enough to not know the rules of the test (it's not like Prometric only offers the DAT and all employees know it inside and out), and he was lucky enough to not get audited (considering he got a 28TS/27AA). The point of my bringing this up is not that you should try to do this yourself, but that everyone's experience may be different depending on what the proctors decide. But, if you want to be 100% safe, always stick to the written rules, regardless of what someone else says is okay to do, even if it's the proctor.

How do I know? lets review the DAT TESTING PROCEDURES AND REGULATIONS (taken from http://www.ada.org/sections/educationAndCareers/pdfs/dat_examinee_guide.pdf)..... I'll summarize key points:

If your "friend's" proctor was so careless about allowing personal belongings (credit cards) in the center, surely, he woulda been just as careless if your friend brought his books and notebooks along. I have a much easier time believing your friend is full of B.S rather than a proctor not doing his job 🙄

4. You will not bring any unauthorized materials, as described in the Test Regulations below, to the test center, or into the secure testing area.
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7. Cellular telephones are not allowed anywhere in the test center, and may not be used on an unscheduled break. Eating and drinking are not permitted in the secure testing area. Personal belongings are not allowed in the secure testing area.
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2. Items that are prohibited from the secure testing area include, but are not limited to the following:
a. Books, notes, study materials, scratch paper, tissues, or markers not provided by the testing center.
b. Dental instruments, models or materials.
c. Slide rules, paper, calculating devices, rulers or other measuring devices (a calculator will be provided on the computer screen during the Quantitative Reasoning Test).
d. Electronic devices, such as telephones, pagers, recording devices, iPods, personal digital assistants (PDAs), radios or stereos with headsets; personal earplugs or headphones.
e. Tote bags; purses, wallets, backpacks, briefcases.
f. Highlighters, pens, erasers, mechanical pencils, dictionaries, and translators.
g. Food, candy, gum, water or other beverages.
h. Outerwear, such as coats, jackets, gloves, or head coverings (except for religious purposes).
i. Good luck charms, statues, religious or superstitious talismans.
j. Medicinal items (except as approved in advance under testing accommodations).
k. Watches (digital or analog) or timing devices (a timer is provided on the computer screen during testing).
l. Magnifying devices

 

[Potatochips]

no what i'm saying is that if you suck at angle ranking your best bet is getting better the hard way, through hours of practice. A gimmick method like using your hands, etc. is not all that effective and jeopardizes your dat score (if it gets invalidated).

Your mix of poor comprehension and douchebaggery should do wonders at interviews though, keep it up! 👍

U MAD BRO?

The rule clearly states that using hand as a measurement is prohibited not evening out sides by covering up longer leg in angle ranking section. Also read up what you replied again you sound like one bitter person right there.

 

[Potatochips]

also if you suck at angle ranking, i'd bet that you still pretty much suck even after using any other tricks including touching the screen. by all means, risk everything for an extra point in PAT though...

pretty sad

 

[woox]

Can you use a napkin for angle ranking, rip pieces of napkins to right angles or draw with marker they gave you (the monitors birghtess should illuminate through napkin)

 

[Tyrangiel]

When I took it I asked the proctor if I could bring in a laminate to trace the angles and she was ok with it.

 

[dentalWorks]

Can you use a napkin for angle ranking, rip pieces of napkins to right angles or draw with marker they gave you (the monitors birghtess should illuminate through napkin)

🙄

4. You will not bring any unauthorized materials, as described in the Test Regulations below, to the test center, or into the secure testing area.
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7. Cellular telephones are not allowed anywhere in the test center, and may not be used on an unscheduled break. Eating and drinking are not permitted in the secure testing area. Personal belongings are not allowed in the secure testing area.
.
.
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2. Items that are prohibited from the secure testing area include, but are not limited to the following:
a. Books, notes, study materials, scratch paper, tissues, or markers not provided by the testing center.
b. Dental instruments, models or materials.
c. Slide rules, paper, calculating devices, rulers or other measuring devices (a calculator will be provided on the computer screen during the Quantitative Reasoning Test).
d. Electronic devices, such as telephones, pagers, recording devices, iPods, personal digital assistants (PDAs), radios or stereos with headsets; personal earplugs or headphones.
e. Tote bags; purses, wallets, backpacks, briefcases.
f. Highlighters, pens, erasers, mechanical pencils, dictionaries, and translators.
g. Food, candy, gum, water or other beverages.
h. Outerwear, such as coats, jackets, gloves, or head coverings (except for religious purposes).
i. Good luck charms, statues, religious or superstitious talismans.
j. Medicinal items (except as approved in advance under testing accommodations).
k. Watches (digital or analog) or timing devices (a timer is provided on the computer screen during testing).
l. Magnifying devices

 

[dentalWorks]

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