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MS1 here, wondering if it is unusual or par for the course that a significant proportion of students in my class are entitled, abrasive, rude, immature, and/or unprofessional in the classroom setting when interacting with faculty and administrators.

 

[DoctorDermis]

MS1 here, wondering if it is unusual or par for the course that a significant proportion of students in my class are entitled, abrasive, rude, immature, and/or unprofessional in the classroom setting when interacting with faculty and administrators.

Depends on what you consider to be a "significant" number. Do you mean more than 25% of your class? More than 50%?

From my experience in various corporate america gigs, to medical school and even residency...there has always been a certain level of unprofessionalism. 🙁

During the classroom years of MS1 and MS2, I would say that the level of students that may rub others the wrong way or have less manners / courtesy than you would expect was about on par with the big lecture halls in undergrad.

 

[VCorp]

I am. Been told this multiple times from classmates and a very close professor. I guess it's just the way I am, having to put people down when they answer the wrong question, and I know the right answer. Childish, I know. Dad, was suggesting getting some therapy before starting rotations.

I know, I won't be rude to patients, but I'm one of those "one upper" type of students...😳

 

[DoctorDermis]

I am. Been told this multiple times from classmates and a very close professor. I guess it's just the way I am, having to put people down when they answer the wrong question, and I know the right answer. Childish, I know. Dad, was suggesting getting some therapy before starting rotations.

I know, I won't be rude to patients, but I'm one of those "one upper" type of students...😳

I am not sure what year of training you are in...but, in my case, as the years wore on, I just became more and more nonchalant / detached 🙄

However, if you care about your clerkship scores, it may be beneficial in regards to your subjective evals if you choose to let wrong answers from your classmates slide hehehe

 

[Winged Scapula]

Have you read any posts in the Pre-Med forums here?

If that is any indication, a certain percentage of those students will get into medical school and that will include those who seemingly have no social skills.

 

[Arkangeloid]

The people in my class are boisterous, talkative, and outgoing to a fault. Today, one of them was bragging about the noise complaints he received after a post-exam party.

I don't think the problem is too many nerdy kids with no social skills, more of the opposite really. From what it looks like to me, med school classes are made of surprisingly intelligent people who love drinking, clubbing, and getting rowdy.

Maybe it's just LA tho.

 

[saintmed]

I think it really depends on the school. There can be stereotypes but if you're school is focused on attracting certain kinds of students...well that will makeup the class. I love my class and really not that many rude people...however, the rude people in my class...I can see how they got in....hence people are moving toward MMI's

 

[Arkangeloid]

I think it really depends on the school. There can be stereotypes but if you're school is focused on attracting certain kinds of students...well that will makeup the class. I love my class and really not that many rude people...however, the rude people in my class...I can see how they got in....hence people are moving toward MMI's

I think my fear is that MMI will just lead to even more rowdy, extroverted party types...I guess there's no room for quiet dudes in medicine lol.

 

[Ismet]

I honestly can't think of anyone in my class who has been directly rude to faculty or administrators. I've heard a couple stories from upperclassmen, but for the most part my class is pretty chill and very respectful, at least the ones who come to class/school on a semi-regular basis.

 

[KnuxNole]

I think my fear is that MMI will just lead to even more rowdy, extroverted party types...I guess there's no room for quiet dudes in medicine lol.

There will always be a decent amount of introverts around 😀

As far as rude classmates, it was a rarity. Probably 1 or 2 people were considered a "problem" in that they would always complain and argue with everyone(Pro tip: arguing with an attending is never acceptable. Shut that trap!). Most people are laid-back and easy to get along with. Sure, a lot might be extroverted, but people are still generally friendly. So, it's not hard to find a few people to hang with!

 

[evilbooyaa]

I think my fear is that MMI will just lead to even more rowdy, extroverted party types...I guess there's no room for quiet dudes in medicine lol.

As is generally the rule with introverts, you don't hear about them. Just because there is a vocal group does not mean they are the true majority. See - anything political where a vocal minority seems to sway the entire discussion.

To OP - Depends on what your threshold is. If you are easily offended and don't let stuff roll off your back, then yes, you will find even the most tiny of offenses to be a huge deal. Are you a non-trad student? There was a poster here a while ago who was an older non-trad who couldn't stand all of the "kids" and their "kiddish ways" in his med school class. Don't be like him.

To VCorp - At least you know you're an ass. It's one thing to say the right answer, but to put down the other person for not knowing it? This is now how I imagine a conversation with you in it to go.
Professor: So class, what nerve innervates the palmar surface of the first 3.5 fingers?
Student 1: Uh, the ulnar nerve?
Professor: No-
VCorp: Uh, no, you're stupid student 1. Clearly it's the median nerve. How did you get into medical school? You're going to be such a bad doctor.

 

[Frazier]

I don't know about rude to admins, but I have heard about some students being rude to each other. But not that often. Then again, I don't go to class so I'm largely out of the loop. Maybe they're all some rude bastards, but the podcasts aren't hifi enough for me to hear them? 😛

Anyway.

Some classmates are extremely...outgoing?

Others swear like sailors.

No one is perfect.

 

[Anastomoses]

Majority are outwardly polite at my school. If they try to slip a snide remark they do it all slick like.

 

[theseeker4]

Have you read any posts in the Pre-Med forums here?

If that is any indication, a certain percentage of those students will get into medical school and that will include those who seemingly have no social skills.

I LOL'd. Surprised more people didn't catch that.....

To the OP, med students in general are still college kids. Yeah, they are more intelligent than the average college student, but that doesn't mean they are more professional or mature. Some are, but too many are not. They will grow up eventually, or they won't, but don't worry about them either way.

 

[VCorp]

As is generally the rule with introverts, you don't hear about them. Just because there is a vocal group does not mean they are the true majority. See - anything political where a vocal minority seems to sway the entire discussion.

To OP - Depends on what your threshold is. If you are easily offended and don't let stuff roll off your back, then yes, you will find even the most tiny of offenses to be a huge deal. Are you a non-trad student? There was a poster here a while ago who was an older non-trad who couldn't stand all of the "kids" and their "kiddish ways" in his med school class. Don't be like him.

To VCorp - At least you know you're an ass. It's one thing to say the right answer, but to put down the other person for not knowing it? This is now how I imagine a conversation with you in it to go.
Professor: So class, what nerve innervates the palmar surface of the first 3.5 fingers?
Student 1: Uh, the ulnar nerve?
Professor: No-
VCorp: Uh, no, you're stupid student 1. Clearly it's the median nerve. How did you get into medical school? You're going to be such a bad doctor.

basically...but ill admit when im wrong, boy do i run away like a little chicken so i don't have to the fear the looks of stupidity around my classmates.

 

[evilbooyaa]

basically...but ill admit when im wrong, boy do i run away like a little chicken so i don't have to the fear the looks of stupidity around my classmates.

I spent about 2-3 minutes trying to decipher what this meant. You can't communicate in English clearly. How did you get into medical school? You're going to be such a bad doctor

 

[VCorp]

I spent about 2-3 minutes trying to decipher what this meant. You can't communicate in English clearly. How did you get into medical school? You're going to be such a bad doctor

typing on the iphone sucks...yeah that sounds like somebody drunk

 

[yehhhboiii]

Have you read any posts in the Pre-Med forums here?

If that is any indication, a certain percentage of those students will get into medical school and that will include those who seemingly have no social skills.

guilty as charged

 

[miltown66]

It'll even out. Keep in mind that a good portion of the class was living the college life less than half a year ago. Most will do a lot of growing up in the next year, and some won't.

As for the rude ones, MS1 is a very stressful year as you adjust to the demands of med school. Give them space and try to understand that it's likely not personal.

 

[thefritz]

They are rude to faculty. M1 and M2, whenever there was an in-class quiz, students would flip **** if they got a question wrong. They constantly complained about the grading of everything (not like it mattered, it was pass/fail), and formed committees and were constantly petitioning the (admitably) horrible curriculum at the school. Made the whole class seem like a bunch of whiners. Also, if your views didn't agree with the vocal minority of 10 or so self-appointed class president-like figures who were always speaking on behalf of the other students, you would be ostracized. All in all a silly transition to watch as these 22 year olds with no work experience pretend to be adults but get it confused with their former roles in high school student government. Their favorite phrase was "going to work" when referring to their clerkships.

I don't know if rude is the right word. Narcissistic perhaps. Totally intolerant of any form of criticism. This is what happens when your average matriculated GPA is 3.9. You don't get a 3.9 GPA in college without whining about your grades, a lot.

 

[imperturbable]

They are rude to faculty. M1 and M2, whenever there was an in-class quiz, students would flip **** if they got a question wrong. They constantly complained about the grading of everything (not like it mattered, it was pass/fail), and formed committees and were constantly petitioning the (admitably) horrible curriculum at the school. Made the whole class seem like a bunch of whiners. Also, if your views didn't agree with the vocal minority of 10 or so self-appointed class president-like figures who were always speaking on behalf of the other students, you would be ostracized. All in all a silly transition to watch as these 22 year olds with no work experience pretend to be adults but get it confused with their former roles in high school student government. Their favorite phrase was "going to work" when referring to their clerkships.

I don't know if rude is the right word. Narcissistic perhaps. Totally intolerant of any form of criticism. This is what happens when your average matriculated GPA is 3.9. You don't get a 3.9 GPA in college without whining about your grades, a lot.

I thought you were in my class for a second. Our class has the same whiny kids, except we're dumber (statistically) as a class than the previous as well as the following years. It's the same 10-15 people who make all the noise and make us all look bad. We are actually known as "the whiny class" by the preclinical professors.

 

[wolfvgang22]

MS1 here, wondering if it is unusual or par for the course that a significant proportion of students in my class are entitled, abrasive, rude, immature, and/or unprofessional in the classroom setting when interacting with faculty and administrators.

Yes. Medical School is a high stress, competitive environment. It brings out both the best and the worst in many of us. I met some special friends in medical school who I would never have spoken too had we not been in it together. I also met some real *******s that I might have trusted had I not met them in med school.

 

[Donald Juan]

Lots of people in my class rub me the wrong way...not so much in being rude, but more in the whiny, entitled sense that some of the other posters have pointed out. I try to take it in stride though, because I know I have a lot of qualities that some people would take to be poor as well.

 

[hallowmann]

Let it roll off your back. That's life. Just do well, match well, and be the doc you want to be.

 

[D elegans]

Most ppl in my class are really nice. Sure, there are some douchebags but that's to be expected in any population. I anticipate the rude ones being slowly ostracized in your class

 

[rfvbnmju]

You don't get a 3.9 GPA in college without whining about your grades, a lot.

😕

I've known people who got 3.9 and worked for it.

Sent from my phone.

 

[Etorphine]

😕

I've known people who got 3.9 and worked for it.

Sent from my phone.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Kahreek]

i hate whiners, especially when it is a leveled playing field and for whatever chance they get to prosper moaning is ensued .

 

[tantacles]

i hate whiners, especially when it is a leveled playing field and for whatever chance they get to prosper moaning is ensued .

Jew here. Offended.

 

[Shjanzey]

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[Kaustikos]

<- Sarcastic, facetious and talkative. People find it offensive/rude. But that's a classroom. Don't judge someones behavior on how they are in a class. If they're immature/stupid in front of patients, that's a different story.

And don't worry, I've already gotten marks on my professional record. The ****s I give about how I am in class during MS1/MS2 can be found here:

The ****s I give when I'm around patients/preceptors is completely different. But I am NOT going to change myself completely to kiss your ass. You want a suckup, look elsewhere.

Though I've honestly never gotten a bad remark by professors. Just classmates. The professors/staff have gotten to know how I am and handled it really well. Like the time I wrote "WTF" next to a question on an exam... I had a meeting with the admin and they were like "Yeah, we know what that means, Kaus. We're just telling you that it's not exactly a good idea to do that on exams. You can say that with your classmates or complain to us, but this exam is on your file... so. Keep it down"

 

[yehhhboiii]

<- Sarcastic, facetious and talkative. People find it offensive/rude. But that's a classroom. Don't judge someones behavior on how they are in a class. If they're immature/stupid in front of patients, that's a different story.

And don't worry, I've already gotten marks on my professional record. The ****s I give about how I am in class during MS1/MS2 can be found here:

The ****s I give when I'm around patients/preceptors is completely different. But I am NOT going to change myself completely to kiss your ass. You want a suckup, look elsewhere.

Though I've honestly never gotten a bad remark by professors. Just classmates. The professors/staff have gotten to know how I am and handled it really well. Like the time I wrote "WTF" next to a question on an exam... I had a meeting with the admin and they were like "Yeah, we know what that means, Kaus. We're just telling you that it's not exactly a good idea to do that on exams. You can say that with your classmates or complain to us, but this exam is on your file... so. Keep it down"

loll nicely done
i like to stick it to the man too but then i got a phone call from one of the associate deans

 

[Kaustikos]

loll nicely done
i like to stick it to the man too but then i got a phone call from one of the associate deans

Meh,
I'm not on some journey to purposefully argue with superiors. I just think respect is earned. That and I don't find fault in calling people on bull****. I've never got a bad evaluation from professors. I even thought my path professor didn't like me at one point so I went to talk to him and explain everything and he just laughed. He said our class was a breath of fresh air with how candid we were and he enjoyed it, despite how distracting it was at times.

But my campus director/dean? I lost trust in him ages ago and the respect he thought he deserved. So by second year... I didn't even see him as a superior.

 

[Akali]

Not in my class. Maybe I'm just lucky? Most everyone seems, outwardly at least, very friendly and pleasant. Even the upperclassmen. The new first years I haven't really interacted with much yet so I can't say anything about them.