Armed forces scholarship thoughts??

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Hello, I am considering going through the armed forces scholarship proram so that I don't end up indept and so I can support my family while in school. I am trying to find out as much info as possible. Does anyone understand how the repayment works?? Like serve in the military as many years as they paid for my school? Does it always mean you serve overseas? If so am I basically signing up to go to Iraq 🙁?? Also, does anyone know if this repayment would have to be made right away or do you complete your residency first?? I don't want to start contacting recruters until I am sure so I am hoping some of you all have the answers.
Thanks!!!!!!!!!😀
 
Hello, I am considering going through the armed forces scholarship proram so that I don't end up indept and so I can support my family while in school. I am trying to find out as much info as possible. Does anyone understand how the repayment works?? Like serve in the military as many years as they paid for my school? Does it always mean you serve overseas? If so am I basically signing up to go to Iraq 🙁?? Also, does anyone know if this repayment would have to be made right away or do you complete your residency first?? I don't want to start contacting recruters until I am sure so I am hoping some of you all have the answers.
Thanks!!!!!!!!!😀

There is a whole military medicine subforum on here which can definitely better address any of your questions but from what I understand they pay for 4 years, you serve for 4 years. Where you are deployed, etc. depends on which branch of the military you join and how lucky you are. You are required to apply for a military residency although if you don't get the spot you are then released to be able to do a civilian residency and have a greater choice essentially. Other option is you could serve as a GMO before your residency begins and spend 4 years doing general medicine.

Most people in the military subforum say don't do the scholarship just for the money, if you do you will hate your life. Its a good option for those genuinely interested in serving but in the end it really doesn't pay for itself the way most people think. By serving 4 years before starting your career you are losing 4 years of a huge salary towards the end of your year as a physician, unless of course you are doing a primary care specialty in which case there are other scholarship/repayment options as well.
 
Hello, I am considering going through the armed forces scholarship proram so that I don't end up indept and so I can support my family while in school. I am trying to find out as much info as possible. Does anyone understand how the repayment works?? Like serve in the military as many years as they paid for my school? Does it always mean you serve overseas? If so am I basically signing up to go to Iraq 🙁?? Also, does anyone know if this repayment would have to be made right away or do you complete your residency first?? I don't want to start contacting recruters until I am sure so I am hoping some of you all have the answers.
Thanks!!!!!!!!!😀

Definitely check out the military subforum, and be sure to explore the national guard/air national guard. With the guard, you would not have your residency choices limited. I was interested in the HPSP until I found out that none of the services have a medical genetics program... I'm interested in that currently, and even if I change my mind down the road, I still don't want to have any of my options limited because I took the scholarship. There are always options in the military to repay your debt after school without getting into a contract during med school--for example, if you join as a resident or attending, they will still pay back a huge chunk of your loans.

You're smart asking around before talking to recruiters. Whenever you speak with them, keep in mind that they are paid to sign people up... not to give you good advice. Many of them will lie to you, and many of them are clueless as to how military medicine works.

Also, never join the military assuming you'll stay in the states. Even in the guard or reserves, there is always the chance that you'll get deployed. This is exceptionally tough if you're married and/or if you have kids. If you have a significant other of any kind, be sure to include them in this decision. Take it from a former military spouse... it's super important. 😉
 
They present the repayment as four years of school for four years of service, however, that doesn’t include your residency, which you may very well do with the military (as you MUST rank at least one military residency when applying for residencies and in this process, your military match trumps the civilian world). Also, while in school, you do officer training, preferably over your first summer break (assuming you have one). Then, if you have any summer breaks after that, you’re supposed to rotate at military facilities for forty days each summer because you’re at this point (assuming you’re doing HPSP and not the Navy’s other program that gives about double the monthly stipend plus benefits for dependents, but no tuition, fees, or books). So, assuming you match with the military, your four years turn into four years AFTER residency (so more like 8+ years). Also, there is a risk in doing GMOs or “being forced” into doing something you don’t want to do. Talk to a recruiter and they will tell you that you won’t be forced into a specialty, not true. For instance, if you do some good digging around, a few years ago the Air Force was really hankering for some more aerospace docs, so one year they limited the number of radiology slots available and didn’t give many people deferments. These people that didn’t match radiology and only tried to match radiology were then shuffled into aerospace for a minimum of two years (one year training, one year serving, then given the option to apply for a new residency—ultimately dragging out your commitment). In theory, your overseas deployment time is dependent on the branch. Air Force deployments are the shortest (around six months I think), then Navy, then Army (Marines get their docs from the Navy). Also, after each deployment, there’s a time frame where you, in theory, can’t be deployed again (length again varies with the branch). You may very well be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. You may also be sent to Germany, Japan, Haiti, etc. Essentially, anywhere the military wants you, they can put you. They do try to keep their docs safe, but, war happens and physicians have died in the ongoing conflict.

As previously suggested, don’t do it just for the money because it isn’t worth it (even as a primary care doc, once you get out of residency you could budget so that you maintain a low/middle middle class way of life and get your loans paid off in a reasonable amount of time). Also, you HAVE to take into account your family when making this decision, because they’ll have to live the military life with you. It really is only a good option if there’s no possible way whatsoever to make ends meet between student loans and spousal employment or if you really want to serve in the military while being a doctor at the same time.
 
The information I've received (from the Air Force, specifically) seems to indicate 4 years active service plus 4 years service in the reserves.
 
They present the repayment as four years of school for four years of service, however, that doesn’t include your residency, which you may very well do with the military (as you MUST rank at least one military residency when applying for residencies and in this process, your military match trumps the civilian world). Also, while in school, you do officer training, preferably over your first summer break (assuming you have one). Then, if you have any summer breaks after that, you’re supposed to rotate at military facilities for forty days each summer because you’re at this point (assuming you’re doing HPSP and not the Navy’s other program that gives about double the monthly stipend plus benefits for dependents, but no tuition, fees, or books). So, assuming you match with the military, your four years turn into four years AFTER residency (so more like 8+ years). Also, there is a risk in doing GMOs or “being forced” into doing something you don’t want to do. Talk to a recruiter and they will tell you that you won’t be forced into a specialty, not true. For instance, if you do some good digging around, a few years ago the Air Force was really hankering for some more aerospace docs, so one year they limited the number of radiology slots available and didn’t give many people deferments. These people that didn’t match radiology and only tried to match radiology were then shuffled into aerospace for a minimum of two years (one year training, one year serving, then given the option to apply for a new residency—ultimately dragging out your commitment). In theory, your overseas deployment time is dependent on the branch. Air Force deployments are the shortest (around six months I think), then Navy, then Army (Marines get their docs from the Navy). Also, after each deployment, there’s a time frame where you, in theory, can’t be deployed again (length again varies with the branch). You may very well be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. You may also be sent to Germany, Japan, Haiti, etc. Essentially, anywhere the military wants you, they can put you. They do try to keep their docs safe, but, war happens and physicians have died in the ongoing conflict.

As previously suggested, don’t do it just for the money because it isn’t worth it (even as a primary care doc, once you get out of residency you could budget so that you maintain a low/middle middle class way of life and get your loans paid off in a reasonable amount of time). Also, you HAVE to take into account your family when making this decision, because they’ll have to live the military life with you. It really is only a good option if there’s no possible way whatsoever to make ends meet between student loans and spousal employment or if you really want to serve in the military while being a doctor at the same time.

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The information I've received (from the Air Force, specifically) seems to indicate 4 years active service plus 4 years service in the reserves.

All contracts in the military are 8 years--X number of years active (4 in the case of the HPSP) and X number of years in the "reserves." When you're in the reserves, you can be called up off the list as needed by the military. The Air Force rarely does this; the army does this pretty often. Also, if you take any extra incentives (extra money during residency and stuff like that) you may incur extra time in service. They always seem to come up with ways to keep you in longer than you intended.
 
Just to make a note for the poster, the Reserves everybody is referencing is the Individual Ready Reserves, which is different from the actual Reserves. As far as I know, just about everybody that serves in the military ends up being a part of the IRR. It generally implies no further training or real responsibilities once your active duty service is complete (I think you just have to keep the military informed of your residence and contact info), but, it does make you available to be called up and they have called people up. Just another reason why you shouldn't do it just for the money.
 
This a good forum for the OP. I disagree about the your future earnings as a MD. If it all about money do not do it you will not be happy. As for me I am looking forward to a Military lifestyle for my daughter and I. I am hoping to do my whole career with the ARMY. Good Luck OP
 
Thanks for the help people!! I would not do it specifically for the money. But more of the benefits of health insurance (I hope), and possiblity of earning a retirement. Also, because I believe the military deserves good providers. I wouldn't mind going overseas as long as its a place my family can go with me. 6 months away from them I could deal with but not longer then that.
 
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Thanks for the help people!! I would not do it specifically for the money. But more of the benefits of health insurance (I hope), and possiblity of earning a retirement. Also, because I believe the military deserves good providers. I wouldn't mind going overseas as long as its a place my family can go with me. 6 months away from them I could deal with but not longer then that.

If you deploy over seas, your family isn't coming with you. Maybe if you were stationed at one of the bases overseas. Also, 6 month deployments are not always a gaurantee. My uncle was in the Air Force as an Orthopedic Surgeon, and he was deployed to the Persian Gulf War for nearly a year. It is according to the needs of the military. Granted this is not always the case, but is possible. Not trying to talk you out of the military, but you should do more research to decide if it fits you. The incentives are nice, but it will be a different type of lifestyle. I agree, I wouldn't do it soley for money. Good Luck!

The Army and the Navy will let you contact military docs to shadow. To my knowledge, the AF never provided me with such info. Just a binder with email addresses for a bunch of AF primary care doctors. They were less forth coming with contacts to discuss Air Force medicine. Just thought that this may help in your decision making process.
 
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Please go to the milmed forums. Mulitple incorrect or partially incorrect answers to your questions have been given in this thread. I totally agree that you should be well informed before even considering the scholarship, but you are not being well informed here. Even info in the milmed forum needs to be supplemented with talking to some people who are current active duty physicians (and the guy/gal who got out of milmed in '99 in no way suffices in that role)
BTW I also agree that for many (to most) people the scholarship is not worth it.
 
There is a whole military medicine subforum on here which can definitely better address any of your questions but from what I understand they pay for 4 years, you serve for 4 years. Where you are deployed, etc. depends on which branch of the military you join and how lucky you are. You are required to apply for a military residency although if you don't get the spot you are then released to be able to do a civilian residency and have a greater choice essentially. Other option is you could serve as a GMO before your residency begins and spend 4 years doing general medicine.

In the Army, you won't be released to do a civilian residency. If you don't match, then you are placed in a transitional intern year at an Army base. There was talk that the class of 2012 may get some civilian deferment but that hasn't be verified AFAIK. Another thing is if you do a civilian residency, that time does not count towards retirement. If you do a military residency the time in residency counts toward retirement. Also the four year pay back only works if the residency is four years or less AFTER your intern year. So if you do an ortho residency then you are ok because the actual residency is four years after the intern year. If you do a residency or fellowship that is beyond the four years, you will pay back six months for every six months of the residency/fellowship.
 
I was going to do HSPS but was too fat to pass the physical.
 
The Army will fly you to DC to the hospital so you can meet military doctors. While in med school your family does not get health insurance and you only get it on ADT. In my opinion ARMY has better residency availability. I am biased though.
 
The Army will fly you to DC to the hospital so you can meet military doctors. While in med school your family does not get health insurance and you only get it on ADT. In my opinion ARMY has better residency availability. I am biased though.

Well you don't get military insurance when in school and only get it on ADTs but they will reimburse you for insurance your school requires you to buy. I received a check a few weeks after my first stipend. I don't think they paid for disability insurance I was required to take out by my school. Also they won't pay for dental insurance. If you want that then that comes out of your pocket
 
I realize I may offend somewhat here, but: a caution to the OP and other readers. Please be savvy to what people offer. A current HPSP medical student can offer a great deal in advice on the practical aspects of applying for the scholarships, getting reimbursements, school-related issues, etc. In other words they can offer what they have experience in. But, unfortunately, there are many well-intentioned medical students who overstep their experience and make commentary on the experience of being in milmed, without having any meaningful experience in it. Even that one month ADT says nothing of what a career in any of the services is like (and since they almost all occur in major MTFs [the largest military hospitals] it offers almost nothing in the way of experience in smaller commands/hospitals [where people often gripe the most]). A resident has some meaningful experience to share as they've dealt with things like the military's 4th rate electronic medical record, politics, etc., but even they haven't experienced deployment as a board certified physician (although some will have experienced deployment as a GMO) and other issues specific to someone who has already completed training. Utilize the voice of the HPSP medical students for what they can practically offer but be wary of anyone who offers more than that. No one above me has specifically offered more than they should, though having spent enough time on SDN, it invariably seems to happen that someone does. I've also seen the swooning naivete of some posters and their voices are some of the worst to listen to.
 
In case people haven't noticed ... someone made an account called 'JagerPlate' ... my name is 'JaggerPlate.' This person copied my avatar and status, and is now trying to post as me on the forums.

I figured out who this troll is, and will be removed asap.
 
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My offer remains. I know full-well the limitations of my knowledge, but I have spent many hours on the milmed forum. I feel like I have a handle of how bad things can be, although I will be the first to admit I have no first-hand experience of being deployed or having the military interfere with my career goals/choices. I have no doubt that I will be learning quite a deal more about that over the next 2-3 years.

That said, if anyone has questions pertaining to how the HPSP scholarship works in terms of semantics and requirements, I would be more than willing to offer up my current level of knowledge.

I would also like to point out that I am eager to spend a few years taking care of airmen and women, and that even if I come to realize this was a bad career decision I strongly doubt you will find someone who regrets the good that they did in milmed. As with many opportunities, there is certainly the chance that a military commitment within the medical field is deleterious to your career. However, in talking to military medical personnel this doesn't seem to be the rule, however it also isn't an exception. Instead, I think there are ups-and-downs to the decision and it shouldn't be made lightly or for monetary reasons alone. (You will hear people say "don't do it for the money" and to that I say BS... don't do it ONLY for the money is more realistic)
 
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My offer remains...

No, if my recollection serves me, I recall that you've always been a pretty staid poster. I doubt you'd over-extend yourself, but others, often with good intenstions, do. I agree with what you wrote, and in my career in training (yet to hit staff level) I've had some very good experiences and have been quite lucky all-in-all. But I have no idea how my actual career will progress. One day at a time, hoping for (and as best as possible, making) the best.
 
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Please go to the milmed forums. Mulitple incorrect or partially incorrect answers to your questions have been given in this thread.

I realize I may offend somewhat here, but: a caution to the OP and other readers. Please be savvy to what people offer.

this is about the only thing I can agree with on here. I'm chuckling at some of the answers/advice people are giving, some are full of blatantly false information. I've been through the whole application and commissioning process and I am waiting to start school in the fall under the scholarship. Best place for advice?? An actual physician that has done it and gone through all the hoops. Find one, if you can't find one you are not looking hard enough because they are out there. I didn't have too much trouble finding a few physicians to talk to.
 
I realize I may offend somewhat here, but: a caution to the OP and other readers. Please be savvy to what people offer. A current HPSP medical student can offer a great deal in advice on the practical aspects of applying for the scholarships, getting reimbursements, school-related issues, etc. In other words they can offer what they have experience in. But, unfortunately, there are many well-intentioned medical students who overstep their experience and make commentary on the experience of being in milmed, without having any meaningful experience in it.

I am not sure if you were referencing me with this post but I just wanted to make an addendum. I may be wrong in some of the stuff I have said but my sources are the Army HPSP Handbook, the MODS site, and a person in charge of GME at BAMC. The MODS site is the official Army HPSP site for any information we have or forms we need. This is also where you sign up for ADTs and whatnot. I can't comment on the quality of training because I am not there yet but I figured I could offer my insight since I went through the process only a year ago
 
Bleeker, no. I would be extending myself too far to make much more than cursory commentary on the details of the Army's version of the HPSP and what you wrote seems pretty reasonable for what a MS would have knowledge of, at least by glancing look.
 
To the OP: as a woman, I've asked as many questions as I could before filling out the applications for the HPSP. I found out as much as I could, like the payback isn't equal to time in school, but to whatever is longer, residency or med school. If you choose a 5 year residency, then your active duty payback is 5 years, with 3 in reserve. And if you choose to do a career as a military physician, then your years in service starts in residency. So, a 5 year residency with a 5 year payback equals 10 years in the service, with that you just need 10 more years to retire. There is a lot of information out there, some true, some not. So I'd do more research and decide if the military is the right thing for you. By the way, I'm not sure if you planned to get it for this coming in school year, but the AF is full and the Army is full as well, I believe. I'm not sure about the Navy, as my husband and I didn't consider that branch of the Military.

I was commissioned last month with the US Army, so my information is based on my own research.
 
Bleeker, no. I would be extending myself too far to make much more than cursory commentary on the details of the Army's version of the HPSP and what you wrote seems pretty reasonable for what a MS would have knowledge of, at least by glancing look.

Ok no worries. I just have read a lot of misinformation on this thread and felt it was appropriate for me to clarify my sources. I can only speak to the med student side of the military. I have no idea about the GME side or attending side of the military. I will let more seasoned doctors such as yourself tell about the pros/cons of that aspect
 
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