Army LTHET 2022

[D1Bound]

Anyone know when the LTHET results will be released?

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[ArmyHPSP2020]

Rumor has it, early next week. What did you apply for?

 

[D1Bound]

Rumor has it, early next week. What did you apply for?

It's not my year to apply. I'm just curious to see who is selected for what so I can pick their brain

 

[ArmyHPSP2020]

Just got an email today saying results will be sent out sometime this week once the DC Chief gives approval.

 

[customx]

Best of luck everyone!

 

[ESPN907]

Just saw they posted but I am a dental student and cannot see it, can someone share the document here?

 

[D1Bound]

Just saw they posted but I am a dental student and cannot see it, can someone share the document here?

They usually post it on the military dentistry fb page congratulating everyone but it’s not posted

 

[ShortShortsDad]

Just saw they posted but I am a dental student and cannot see it, can someone share the document here?

For whatever reason they put it behind a CAC enabled website, maybe privacy idk. It should not be posted here publicly without permission. If you’re HPSP and don’t have a CAC yet this is one of many reasons to fix that situation. It was encouraging though to see so many junior officers selected, specialty training especially Bravo isn’t being treated like a glide path to easy retirement as it has been previously

 

[D1Bound]

For whatever reason they put it behind a CAC enabled website, maybe privacy idk. It should not be posted here publicly without permission. If you’re HPSP and don’t have a CAC yet this is one of many reasons to fix that situation. It was encouraging though to see so many junior officers selected, specialty training especially Bravo isn’t being treated like a glide path to easy retirement as it has been previously

What website is it posted on? I have a CAC but have never logged onto any websites

 

[D1Bound]

Apparently 3 DS got OMS and 3 DS got endo. I'm pretty surprised that many dental students went straight into Endo

 

[customx]

Apparently 3 DS got OMS and 3 DS got endo. I'm pretty surprised that many dental students went straight into Endo

It's very surprising that 3 got endo straight out of school. I think there were several CPTs and MAJs who are on the alternate list. I gave up on trying to figure out what goes into boards decision. I was told that I should complete CCC, Air Assault or Airborne, EFMB, and take on several leadership positions to be considered for specialty programs.

 

[D1Bound]

It's very surprising that 3 got endo straight out of school. I think there were several CPTs and MAJs who are on the alternate list. I gave up on trying to figure out what goes into boards decision. I was told that I should complete CCC, Air Assault or Airborne, EFMB, and take on several leadership positions to be considered for specialty programs.

I’m unable to view the results. Someone told me they want to give it to younger officers in hopes they’ll stay in longer

 

[customx]

I’m unable to view the results. Someone told me they want to give it to younger officers in hopes they’ll stay in longer

That would make sense for the Army, let's reward people with the least amount of experience.

 

[ShortShortsDad]

That would make sense for the Army, let's reward people with the least amount of experience.

Interesting take, how about ‘no’.

Let’s unpack this:

Are you advocating “rewarding” seniority with residency slots? We see the strongest residents coming straight out of school, that’s certainly how the civilian world works. We also have the ability to possibly retain them longer and certainly at lower cost (rank) when they’re junior officers.

Should people who were previously unselected/uncompetitive and are now farther out from organized academics and thus less likely to succeed in residency be favored due to what… cronyism, years spent doing the bend & reach, perpetuating the military culture of low expectations? The Army doesn’t give a **** about people - never has and never will - it’s all about the mission. Usually 9 times out of 10 the military makes illogical decisions but this is not one of them.

For too long we saw the bravo program being used not to mint “super dentists” but to perpetuate the military welfare culture of creating a glide path for senior officers who otherwise wouldn’t (and definitely shouldn’t) to make COL and retire on a bigger pension. These are the same people who then go on to not use their skills in favor of retiring shortly after residency, taking leadership slots, or worst of all doing the TJC “fellowship”.

I have next to no faith in the competence of this organization but Army made a good decision in accepting so many 2LTs and CPTs - whether by accident, luck, or simply being an exception to the rule this was a good move for the Army, our patients and our taxpayers

 

[D1Bound]

Interesting take, how about ‘no’.

Let’s unpack this:

Are you advocating “rewarding” seniority with residency slots? We see the strongest residents coming straight out of school, that’s certainly how the civilian world works. We also have the ability to possibly retain them longer and certainly at lower cost (rank) when they’re junior officers.

Should people who were previously unselected/uncompetitive and are now farther out from organized academics and thus less likely to succeed in residency be favored due to what… cronyism, years spent doing the bend & reach, perpetuating the military culture of low expectations? The Army doesn’t give a **** about people - never has and never will - it’s all about the mission. Usually 9 times out of 10 the military makes illogical decisions but this is not one of them.

For too long we saw the bravo program being used not to mint “super dentists” but to perpetuate the military welfare culture of creating a glide path for senior officers who otherwise wouldn’t (and definitely shouldn’t) to make COL and retire on a bigger pension. These are the same people who then go on to not use their skills in favor of retiring shortly after residency, taking leadership slots, or worst of all doing the TJC “fellowship”.

I have next to no faith in the competence of this organization but Army made a good decision in accepting so many 2LTs and CPTs - whether by accident, luck, or simply being an exception to the rule this was a good move for the Army, our patients and our taxpayers

I would think farther along officers are also just not able to switch back to a rigorous student way of life as easy

 

[ArmyHPSP2020]

Idk about other specialties but ortho really harps on showing “their commitment to the Army” first. Very few get in early in their career.

 

[customx]

Interesting take, how about ‘no’.

Let’s unpack this:

Are you advocating “rewarding” seniority with residency slots? We see the strongest residents coming straight out of school, that’s certainly how the civilian world works. We also have the ability to possibly retain them longer and certainly at lower cost (rank) when they’re junior officers.

Should people who were previously unselected/uncompetitive and are now farther out from organized academics and thus less likely to succeed in residency be favored due to what… cronyism, years spent doing the bend & reach, perpetuating the military culture of low expectations? The Army doesn’t give a **** about people - never has and never will - it’s all about the mission. Usually 9 times out of 10 the military makes illogical decisions but this is not one of them.

For too long we saw the bravo program being used not to mint “super dentists” but to perpetuate the military welfare culture of creating a glide path for senior officers who otherwise wouldn’t (and definitely shouldn’t) to make COL and retire on a bigger pension. These are the same people who then go on to not use their skills in favor of retiring shortly after residency, taking leadership slots, or worst of all doing the TJC “fellowship”.

I have next to no faith in the competence of this organization but Army made a good decision in accepting so many 2LTs and CPTs - whether by accident, luck, or simply being an exception to the rule this was a good move for the Army, our patients and our taxpayers

I'm not advocating for anything, I just find it unlikely that selecting 2LTs coming out of school will aid in retention. In fact it makes it even more likely they would submit a UQR packet sooner since they have less time invested. It's when you start approaching 8-10 years that you need to make difficult decisions whether to stay in or not.

I'm all for selecting CPTs which have completed an AEGD, completed CCC, or otherwise shown a commitment to the Army. Pick the most highly qualified, regardless of rank.

 

[D1Bound]

I'm not advocating for anything, I just find it unlikely that selecting 2LTs coming out of school will aid in retention. In fact it makes it even more likely they would submit a UQR packet sooner since they have less time invested. It's when you start approaching 8-10 years that you need to make difficult decisions whether to stay in or not.

I'm all for selecting CPTs which have completed an AEGD, completed CCC, or otherwise shown a commitment to the Army. Pick the most highly qualified, regardless of rank.

If they would allow specialists to moonlight more days and supplement their incomes, I bet they'd be more likely to stay.

 

[ShortShortsDad]

I'm not advocating for anything, I just find it unlikely that selecting 2LTs coming out of school will aid in retention. In fact it makes it even more likely they would submit a UQR packet sooner since they have less time invested. It's when you start approaching 8-10 years that you need to make difficult decisions whether to stay in or not.

I'm all for selecting CPTs which have completed an AEGD, completed CCC, or otherwise shown a commitment to the Army. Pick the most highly qualified, regardless of rank.

The Army is really bad at clearly outlining what its goals/objectives are.

I agree that we should be “picking the most highly qualified” but that is likely inversely related to retainability. If we train a specialist well they will most likely be wanting to get out - I think this is great because they are less likely to acquiesce into the ‘good enough for government work’ mentality and we won’t have to pay them retirement.

I know a neurosurgeon who got out at 18.5yrs as a ****-you to the Army and an oral surgeon who got out at 18 because they tried to PCS him with 2yrs left in his contract. People stay or don’t stay for all sorts of reasons but the vast majority don’t do 20.

If we train them when they’re young then they at least have the possibility to serve more years although I agree it’s unlikely in any case. What doesn’t make sense to me was when the Bravos over the past few years were almost half LTCs (those being largely incompetent). Why train them to have skills they will never use when they just want to make COL for their last high-3 and ride a desk off into the sunset?

If we’re not sure if they would be a good candidate then sure let’s see how they do in an AEGD but it shouldn’t be a right of passage - if the civilian world does something differently by a rule it’s probably more logical. CCC has to kill brain cells and months of time with no benefit to a medical or dental officers day to day job. LTCs are being selected in the reserves without CCC and multiple ADs are making COL without ILE - the dental directorate doesn’t have the luxury of pretending that PME offers any real value beyond willingness to drink the Kool-Aid when hardly anyone qualified wants to stick around for a career.