Army/Navy game

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Did anyone else see that last f'ing play?!? Like really wth Army? Why you keep breaking my heart?

 

[backrow]

At this point we should let Army play the Navy Sprint Football team 🙂

There are kids in high school who have never seen Army win at this point.

I agree, better game than expected!

 

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[BigNavyPedsGuy]

I tried to change my password to "navy" but gmail said it was too weak

Almost as weak as that joke.

 

[j4pac]

Last night after the 4th quarter pick my wife asked me, "don't you feel a little sorry for Army?" My answer, "Nope!"

 

[j4pac]

As a two-time GWOT deployer, I've always found this (Army) argument annoying. USNA feeds the Marines, and the excess burden of IAs on the Navy is well-documented.

I may be wrong, but I find it hard to believe the Navy recruits better football players because we are marginally less likely to die in combat.

Marines are the proudest community of people on the planet. Navy Seals are probably right behind them. The USNA feeds both of them.

The Army often has excellent financial incentives...but money generally doesn't give someone pride.

 

[j4pac]

You really think our soldier brethren have less pride in their service than us? I don't actually know, honestly asking.

I think there is a greater percentage of people doing it purely for the money in the Army than the Navy/USMC. I know that there's lots of soldiers with tons of pride...I'm talking in the whole.

 

[notdeadyet]

If I was a running back hoping for a potential professional football career during OEF/OIF, I would consider four years in the Navy a lot safer on my knees than the Army, all things considered.

The pride comparison between Army vs Navy is pretty silly. There are plenty of $hitbag sailors that joined to get off the farm and see the ocean and there are plenty of $hitbag soldiers who joined because they wanted to play with guns. Plenty of pride in both as well.

Pride in the football team goes to Navy. Can't argue that one.

 

[Handsome1]

I think if you look at the programs it makes sense. They generally recruit from the same pool of dudes and for a lot of guys it's there only D1 offer or there only non MAC school.... Hey come to Navy; you will play two games on national TV every year at least (Notre Dame and Army) and serve your country; you can fly jets, go on a sub, be a SWO, or if you want to be on the ground you can go Marine or even a SEAL. It has the most diversity of options for service selection. I would imagine the Army is a more one directional sell for a recruit. Also, it's colder and more isolating up there. Now, it feeds on itself....Navy is winning and Army isn't.

 

[Ziehl-Neelsen]

I may be wrong, but I find it hard to believe the Navy recruits better football players because we are marginally less likely to die in combat.

You're not wrong. The USMA can claim the only current academy graduate playing in the NFL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Villanueva_(American_football) and the last academy graduate taken in the NFL draft
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Campbell). As someone who grew up in the backyard of the most successful high school football program in U.S. history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_La_Salle_High_School_(Concord,_California)) and watched that team full of suburban white kids beat teams like Long Beach Polytechnic and Crenshaw with regularity, I can pretty confidently assert that the coach and the program trump almost everything else in amateur football--and the USNA has a better football coach and program.

And while football is the sport that gets all the notoriety, the record between the USMA and USNA for the academic year in all sports competitions is currently tied http://www.navysports.com/multimedia/navy-army.html

Marines are the proudest community of people on the planet. Navy Seals are probably right behind them. The USNA feeds both of them.

The Army often has excellent financial incentives...but money generally doesn't give someone pride.

These communities have no more and no less pride in who they are and what they do than Army Ranger Battalions, Special Forces Groups, or even the 82nd Airborne. I've worked at the 2 largest joint service MEDCENS in the US and come in contact with numerous officer and enlisted in the USA, USAF, and USN and the diversity in motivation, aptitude, and pride in individual Service Members was pretty much the same across all three services.

Everyone can agree that the USMC is a breed apart, but they work to keep it that way by doing things like excluding docs and medics and resisting full gender integration for combat arms units. The USMC is a fundamentally different service than it's "all things to all comers" sister services and contributes to a unique esprit de corps.

I think there is a greater percentage of people doing it purely for the money in the Army than the Navy/USMC. I know that there's lots of soldiers with tons of pride...I'm talking in the whole.

This is such claptrap. We're seriously using the USMA's losing streak to the USNA in American football to make generalizations about the pride and motivation of all Soldiers versus all Sailors/Marines?

In my half Army/half Navy residency the annual staff teaching award and top RISE score went to a physician with a caduceus on their arm and not an acorn on their collar for the entirety of my residency. Can I use this "losing streak" to make generalizations about the aptitude, motivation, and pride of the entire U.S. Navy Medical Corps?

 

[j4pac]

You're not wrong. The USMA can claim the only current academy graduate playing in the NFL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Villanueva_(American_football) and the last academy graduate taken in the NFL draft
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Campbell). As someone who grew up in the backyard of the most successful high school football program in U.S. history (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_La_Salle_High_School_(Concord,_California)) and watched that team full of suburban white kids beat teams like Long Beach Polytechnic and Crenshaw with regularity, I can pretty confidently assert that the coach and the program trump almost everything else in amateur football--and the USNA has a better football coach and program.

And while football is the sport that gets all the notoriety, the record between the USMA and USNA for the academic year in all sports competitions is currently tied http://www.navysports.com/multimedia/navy-army.html



These communities have no more and no less pride in who they are and what they do than Army Ranger Battalions, Special Forces Groups, or even the 82nd Airborne. I've worked at the 2 largest joint service MEDCENS in the US and come in contact with numerous officer and enlisted in the USA, USAF, and USN and the diversity in motivation, aptitude, and pride in individual Service Members was pretty much the same across all three services.

Everyone can agree that the USMC is a breed apart, but they work to keep it that way by doing things like excluding docs and medics and resisting full gender integration for combat arms units. The USMC is a fundamentally different service than it's "all things to all comers" sister services and contributes to a unique esprit de corps.



This is such claptrap. We're seriously using the USMA's losing streak to the USNA in American football to make generalizations about the pride and motivation of all Soldiers versus all Sailors/Marines?

In my half Army/half Navy residency the annual staff teaching award and top RISE score went to a physician with a caduceus on their arm and not an acorn on their collar for the entirety of my residency. Can I use this "losing streak" to make generalizations about the aptitude, motivation, and pride of the entire U.S. Navy Medical Corps?

Hey...just throwing ideas out there. I suppose that Navy could just have better coaching or whatever...but there has to be a reason why Navy has won 14 straight years. I'm willing to bet that it is easier to recruit to Navy. Why do you think that Navy is having a heck of an easier time recruiting...not only for football but in programs like HPSP?

 

[notdeadyet]

Why do you think that Navy is having a heck of an easier time recruiting...not only for football but in programs like HPSP?

Map out where bases are located.

The coasts are not the end-all/be-all, but put yourself in the mind space of your average 18-22 year old.

 

[usma05]

The squids have NFLer too..he just happens to be a longsnapper for the Pats so you didn't probably find his name. He's on active duty and works under a special disposition at their prep school when he's not under the watchful Bellicheck eye. And he was the most recent draft pick of the service academies (5th round, 2015).

Also, to be complete....Josh Mcnary of the Colts is an army grad as well. So there you have it... A starting left tackle and starting defensive back vs a starting longsnapper.

 

[Apollyon]

Also, it's colder and more isolating up there.

Ever been to the USAFA? No matter how cold or isolated, West Point can't even hold a candle to the side of a Colorado mountain!