Arrest in p3 year

[Pharmkid1122]

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Hey i just needed some advice. Last week, I made this really stupid decision to shoplift and got caught. It is something that I completely regret and I have learned my lesson. I contacted a lawyer and so far I will be enrolled in a diversion program that consists of community service and taking a class. Once this is completed, according to the lawyer, this will be off of my record. Yet, I will still have an arrest on my record. I will not be able to get this expunged for a year or two. I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not this will show up on a background check for APPEs/ rotations or if maybe I will get kicked out of school? Also, I was wondering if an arrest for shoplifting will show up on a background check for jobs and if this will effect by chances of getting a job. Thank you in advance.

 

[zelman]

Hey i just needed some advice. Last week, I made this really stupid decision to shoplift and got caught. It is something that I completely regret and I have learned my lesson. I contacted a lawyer and so far I will be enrolled in a diversion program that consists of community service and taking a class. Once this is completed, according to the lawyer, this will be off of my record. Yet, I will still have an arrest on my record. I will not be able to get this expunged for a year or two. I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not this will show up on a background check for APPEs/ rotations or if maybe I will get kicked out of school? Also, I was wondering if an arrest for shoplifting will show up on a background check for jobs and if this will effect by chances of getting a job. Thank you in advance.

You're screwed.

 

[297point1]

Your bigger problem is going to be with your state Board of Pharmacy.
I believe that most BOPs ask if you've ever been arrested (regardless of the disposition of the case), not if you have a record.
They don't like to see larceny or petty theft- that makes them nervous you will steal again, and next time, it might not be a t-shirt or candy bar you are stealing but a controlled substance.

Good luck.

 

[Gombrich12]

Filing this under exhibit #35 on why not to go to pharmacy school: you may end up going to school with people who are dumb enough to consider shoplifting as a good idea and furthermore too stupid to get past a pimple faced cashier.

 

[a student]

Your school probably won't care. But good luck with everything else.

 

[Caffeine QAM]

Hey i just needed some advice. Last week, I made this really stupid decision to shoplift and got caught. It is something that I completely regret and I have learned my lesson. I contacted a lawyer and so far I will be enrolled in a diversion program that consists of community service and taking a class. Once this is completed, according to the lawyer, this will be off of my record. Yet, I will still have an arrest on my record. I will not be able to get this expunged for a year or two. I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not this will show up on a background check for APPEs/ rotations or if maybe I will get kicked out of school? Also, I was wondering if an arrest for shoplifting will show up on a background check for jobs and if this will effect by chances of getting a job. Thank you in advance.

You're right, it was a stupid decision. It might sound harsh, but it shouldn't be surprising that nobody wants a pharmacist who lacks not only integrity, but common sense as well. In this case, not only were you morally wrong, it was just plain stupid. There is no room for people like that in this profession. I don't think there's anyone here who can tell you what you'd like to hear.

 

[wagrxm2000]

I'm sorry man but I'd never be able to trust you.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

Unprofessional conduct... good luck with your meeting w/ the state board regarding your license.

 

[imcallingcorp]

first of all ignore the useless remarks from people who just want to show how terrible of a person you are and how morally amazing they are. especially when we are talking about someone in their young twenties aka still not a real adult. and you will be fine. answering yes to youve been arrested means nothing . you can certainly be arrested and be found not guilty example. learn the lesson and keep it moving

 

[wagrxm2000]

first of all ignore the useless remarks from people who just want to show how terrible of a person you are and how morally amazing they are. especially when we are talking about someone in their young twenties aka still not a real adult. and you will be fine. answering yes to youve been arrested means nothing . you can certainly be arrested and be found not guilty example. learn the lesson and keep it moving

Arrested as a p3, so after one year he's an adult?

 

[Pharmkid1122]

first of all ignore the useless remarks from people who just want to show how terrible of a person you are and how morally amazing they are. especially when we are talking about someone in their young twenties aka still not a real adult. and you will be fine. answering yes to youve been arrested means nothing . you can certainly be arrested and be found not guilty example. learn the lesson and keep it moving

Thank you for being so kind. It has been really difficult for me to get through this past week knowing what I did. Do you have any idea if this will affect my APPEs or possibly getting a job?...do you know if i complete the diversion program if it will still show on my record? thank you.

 

[Digsbe]

It seems you know what you did was stupid, I'm not here to hound you.

If I were you, I'd be honest about everything to the boards. Since you're a P3 and if they let you expunge the arrest after 1 year I'd try to do that before applying for a license. Tell them you complied with probation, did the classes the court told you to do, and had it expunged. Don't take it lightly, but also know some pharmacists have been convicted of drug offenses and went through rehab and satisfied requirements to get a license or have their license returned to them.

As far as APPE's some may be impacted. Some rotations will perform background checks and drug screens on students. I know the VA will likely require you to submit for a background check and schools (to my knowledge, I know mine did) will do their own annual background checks and keep them on file for school purposes and also to pass on to rotation sites that may have you.

I don't know if you'll be kicked out of school, that's up to your individual class and what policies they have in place regarding personal conduct. If I were you'd I'd just be up front, honest, and comply fully with what the court recommends. You won't be able to hide it, and dancing around the issue or trying to justify it will only wind up hurting you.

 

[Pharmkid1122]

It seems you know what you did was stupid, I'm not here to hound you.

If I were you, I'd be honest about everything to the boards. Since you're a P3 and if they let you expunge the arrest after 1 year I'd try to do that before applying for a license. Tell them you complied with probation, did the classes the court told you to do, and had it expunged. Don't take it lightly, but also know some pharmacists have been convicted of drug offenses and went through rehab and satisfied requirements to get a license or have their license returned to them.

As far as APPE's some may be impacted. Some rotations will perform background checks and drug screens on students. I know the VA will likely require you to submit for a background check and schools (to my knowledge, I know mine did) will do their own annual background checks and keep them on file for school purposes and also to pass on to rotation sites that may have you.

I don't know if you'll be kicked out of school, that's up to your individual class and what policies they have in place regarding personal conduct. If I were you'd I'd just be up front, honest, and comply fully with what the court recommends. You won't be able to hide it, and dancing around the issue or trying to justify it will only wind up hurting you.

Thank you. Do you know if an arrest even has to be reported to the pharmacy board? I know that most places only care about convictions/ felonies but I'm not sure.

 

[zelman]

Thank you. Do you know if an arrest even has to be reported to the pharmacy board? I know that most places only care about convictions/ felonies but I'm not sure.

I was arrested for a misdemeanor traffic infraction, but not convicted of it. The board caught it in their background check.

 

[lcow2004]

Honestly, you'll be fine. I had a very similar thing happen to myself and a friend in pharmacy school (we all make mistakes). At first we were concerned about all the same things you are but ended up realizing we worried for no reason. We were both able to go on our APPEs, graduate, get our license, get a job and then another job just like everybody else. Go through you diversion program, take your class, do you community service and time and whatever other BS is needed and you will be fine.

 

[imcallingcorp]

Arrested as a p3, so after one year he's an adult?

my point simply is people in their young twenties are still very childish in many ways , the grey area between teen and adult. i know that i did some super crazy stupid lucky never affected me things in those years. so its ok he didnt hurt anyone and he will hopefully learn.

 

[imcallingcorp]

Thank you. Do you know if an arrest even has to be reported to the pharmacy board? I know that most places only care about convictions/ felonies but I'm not sure.

you do not have to report the arrest as an arrest does not mean guilty of anything in itself. if and when you apply for license then you will answer yes to have you been arrested question.

 

[wagrxm2000]

my point simply is people in their young twenties are still very childish in many ways , the grey area between teen and adult. i know that i did some super crazy stupid lucky never affected me things in those years. so its ok he didnt hurt anyone and he will hopefully learn.

Again so its ok for a 23 year old but not a 24 year old pharmacist? Would your opinion change if it happened after he got his license? This is one of the most trusted professions and you think theft is ok as long as they are young? What if he would have gotten away with it, would he still have learned his lesson? Clearly he thought he could get away with it now what makes you think he wouldn't take a few drugs?

I'm all for forgiving but it's going to take more then one year.

 

[BMBiology]

first of all ignore the useless remarks from people who just want to show how terrible of a person you are and how morally amazing they are. especially when we are talking about someone in their young twenties aka still not a real adult. and you will be fine. answering yes to youve been arrested means nothing . you can certainly be arrested and be found not guilty example. learn the lesson and keep it moving

How do you know this is the first time he/she stole something?

There is no excuse for stealing. It doesn't matter if the person is 16 or 26. It doesn't matter if you are poor. It doesn't matter if you need rent money. No excuse.

Pharmacists are being trusted with medications that have a street value of $10 a pill. These medications have killed and will kill many more. Why should we give this person a second chance?


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[Pharmkid1122]

Honestly, you'll be fine. I had a very similar thing happen to myself and a friend in pharmacy school (we all make mistakes). At first we were concerned about all the same things you are but ended up realizing we worried for no reason. We were both able to go on our APPEs, graduate, get our license, get a job and then another job just like everybody else. Go through you diversion program, take your class, do you community service and time and whatever other BS is needed and you will be fine.

thank you very much. there has been so much negative feedback. But thank you so much. May I ask what happened to you and your friend? Did you have to report it to the Board of Pharmacy? Was it hard for you to get a license. Thank you.

 

[BMBiology]

thank you very much. there has been so much negative feedback. But thank you so much. May I ask what happened to you and your friend? Did you have to report it to the Board of Pharmacy? Was it hard for you to get a license. Thank you.

Now this person is trying to see if she/he can get out of this and not report it to the board of pharmacy. That is the whole point of this thread....isn't it?


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[Caffeine QAM]

my point simply is people in their young twenties are still very childish in many ways , the grey area between teen and adult. i know that i did some super crazy stupid lucky never affected me things in those years. so its ok he didnt hurt anyone and he will hopefully learn.

Are standards really that low? Legality aside, we're taught as children not to steal. As a 20+ year old, professional or not, you should not only know that it's wrong, but also that it's illegal and there are real consequences. Integrity aside, does it take much to realize that your future license is at stake? Especially as a professional, who is supposed to be held to higher standards...He knows what he did is wrong, and he's repentent. I get that. But would he have "learned his lesson" and "completely regret" it if he had not been caught? Of course now that his license and future prospect of a job are on the line he's repentent. The question is, why didn't he think of that before he commited the crime? The extremely poor judgment baffles me and from the point of view of any prospective employer, is a major ground for disqualification from consideration.

I'm not saying that there's no room for forgiveness. He could be sincerely repentant and have the potential to become a brilliant pharmacist. But his road is now that much more difficult, and I would not in the least blame the board of pharmacy or any potential employer who does not take a forgiving stance towards him, especially in a market this competitive. He might have the potential to be a brilliant pharmacist, but so might the next person who doesn't have this black mark of poor judgment and lack of integrity on their background check. All else being equal, who would you hire? For heavens' sakes there are pharmacists with clean records who get in trouble for narcotic diversion all the time. Think of how having an unclean record as a baseline is going to be. He's going to have to do a lot of work to make a compelling argument for himself.

 

[wagrxm2000]

I enjoy looking up people's criminal records so the OP shouldn't be too worried I've seen a lot worse and they are still pharmacists. We're talking forged scripts and selling drugs to pay off gambling debts.

But its wrong and I'd never work with the person.

 

[PharmDBro2017]

OP what did you steal, at least tell us the item and value.

 

[njac]

Avoid any rotations at the VA if you can.

My coresident had an old arrest on record that came up on her background check and it took forever to get clearance


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[Pharmkid1122]

OP what did you steal, at least tell us the item and value.

less than 50 dollars. I was suffering from depression and emotional instability. I really wasnt thinking and now the regret that i feel is immense

 

[PharmDBro2017]

less than 50 dollars. I am suffering from depression and emotional instability. I really wasnt thinking and now the regret that i feel is immense

Sorry to hear that.

It is good to hear that you are remorseful; Remember to show your remorse and regret whenever this comes up again, and be honest about the situation 100% if asked (by your school, the state board of pharmacy, employers, etc). I have a friend who had a meeting with the state board and showed the opposite of what I stated above, and the outcome was unfortunate to say the least.

 

[Pharmkid1122]

Sorry to hear that.

It is good to hear that you are remorseful; Remember to show your remorse and regret whenever this comes up again, and be honest about the situation 100% if asked (by your school, the state board of pharmacy, employers, etc). I have a friend who had a meeting with the state board and showed the opposite of what I stated above, and the outcome was unfortunate to say the least.

may I ask what your friend did?

 

[imcallingcorp]

Are standards really that low? Legality aside, we're taught as children not to steal. As a 20+ year old, professional or not, you should not only know that it's wrong, but also that it's illegal and there are real consequences. Integrity aside, does it take much to realize that your future license is at stake? Especially as a professional, who is supposed to be held to higher standards...He knows what he did is wrong, and he's repentent. I get that. But would he have "learned his lesson" and "completely regret" it if he had not been caught? Of course now that his license and future prospect of a job are on the line he's repentent. The question is, why didn't he think of that before he commited the crime? The extremely poor judgment baffles me and from the point of view of any prospective employer, is a major ground for disqualification from consideration.

I'm not saying that there's no room for forgiveness. He could be sincerely repentant and have the potential to become a brilliant pharmacist. But his road is now that much more difficult, and I would not in the least blame the board of pharmacy or any potential employer who does not take a forgiving stance towards him, especially in a market this competitive. He might have the potential to be a brilliant pharmacist, but so might the next person who doesn't have this black mark of poor judgment on their background check. All else being equal, who would you hire? For heavens' sakes there are pharmacists with clean records who get in trouble for narcotic diversion all the time. Think of how having an unclean record as a basline is going to be. He's going to have to do a lot of work to make a compelling argument for himself.

damn what a beautiful story you told! minimum 5 out 10 pharmacy school students have done something "illegal" from stealing to smoking weed to drunk driving to fighting. most people are lucky enough not to get caught. cmon fess up share your sins?

 

[BMBiology]

You get kick out of pharmacy school for cheating but stealing is OK.


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[TheBlaah]

You get kick out of pharmacy school for cheating but stealing is OK.

Actually....I've heard of several occurrences of cheating being caught (from several schools in the state, sometimes on a rather large scale), which didn't result in being kicked from the school or even failing the class for that matter.

My guess is schools really want that tuition money.

 

[Caffeine QAM]

damn what a beautiful story you told! minimum 5 out 10 pharmacy school students have done something "illegal" from stealing to smoking weed to drunk driving to fighting. most people are lucky enough not to get caught. cmon fess up share your sins?

First of all, even if that statistic were true, it doesn't negate any wrongdoing or accountability. Just because other pharmacy students have done it, it's okay? Or that it's not stupid? I don't see the logic. Standards should not be that low. Secondly where are you getting that statistic? I find that very hard to believe if these were acts committed during pharmacy school. Sure, I might have stolen a candy bar or something, but if I did, it was probably as a 6 year old, from a classroom in school. Shoplift as a 20+ year old? No way. You should be mature enough. There's really no excuse. You simply should know better. If you knew the consequences and knowingly risked your own licensure, then you're reaping what you've sown. On the other hand, if did not think there were consequences to shoplifting, then, you probably don't have the sense to be a pharmacist.

 

[owlegrad]

One count of academic dishonesty getting someone kicked out of school? Very, very unlikely I would wager.

And if pharmacists can keep their licenses after multiple drug related offenses I suspect one count of minor theft isn't getting anyone's life ruined.

Also, can we just cool down with the stone throwing? No one here is perfect. Everyone has done something we aren't proud of, plenty of it way worse than this. Good luck OP.

 

[Caffeine QAM]

The point is that this is inexcusable. Not that the OP cannot overcome this, but the fact that some feel it is acceptable for "someone in their young twenties aka still not a real adult" to shoplift and making excuses for OP is pretty disappointing. Is it really considered being on a moral high horse? We're taught from childhood that stealing is wrong...it's just sad that anyone would try to argue that in OP's situation, he or she is not necessarily expected to act with the maturity level of an adult. We need to be accountable for our actions - if OP is lucky, diligient, or a combination of both, he or she may yet overcome this, but it doesn't change that fact that there is nothing that excuses what he or she did. By any means, it's not necessarily the end for OP, but people should not be excusing his or her actions. I'm believer of people's capacity to change, but the burden of having to show that will be OP's to bear.

 

[lcow2004]

thank you very much. there has been so much negative feedback. But thank you so much. May I ask what happened to you and your friend? Did you have to report it to the Board of Pharmacy? Was it hard for you to get a license. Thank you.

Send me a PM if you want to know details of what I did and how I handled it but I think it was a lot worse than your situation, which really should be no big deal for you. There's actually a grey area between what you absolutely have to report to BoP and what you can get away with not reporting without getting in trouble and the key is to spin your story so it fits into the latter (trust me, I spent a lot of time looking and researching into this as I too was freaking out like you over all the same questions). As a result, I had no problems getting licensed.

 

[PAtoPharm]

I was arrested for a misdemeanor traffic infraction, but not convicted of it. The board caught it in their background check.

I got pulled over and charged with a traffic infraction (violating the "move-over" law), but I hired a lawyer, went to court, and they agreed to erase it from my record if I completed a $30 online traffic school course. Is that something that could actually make it difficult or impossible for a pharmacy student to participate in clinical rotations, receive a license, etc.?

 

[zelman]

I got pulled over and charged with a traffic infraction (violating the "move-over" law), but I hired a lawyer, went to court, and they agreed to erase it from my record if I completed a $30 online traffic school course. Is that something that could actually make it difficult or impossible for a pharmacy student to participate in clinical rotations, receive a license, etc.?

Most traffic violations are not misdemeanors. I don't think yours was.

 

[PAtoPharm]

Most traffic violations are not misdemeanors. I don't think yours was.

Well, when I was in court, the prosecutor stood in front of everyone in the court room before they heard the first person's case and said that everyone in the room had been charged with a misdemeanor, so I don't think if they were using the term to mean something different than the typical "misdemeanor."

 

[BidingMyTime]

What kind of store did you shoplift from, OP? If a drugstore....well, yeah that will definitely hurt your chances of ever getting hired there.

 

[imcallingcorp]

Again so its ok for a 23 year old but not a 24 year old pharmacist? Would your opinion change if it happened after he got his license? This is one of the most trusted professions and you think theft is ok as long as they are young? What if he would have gotten away with it, would he still have learned his lesson? Clearly he thought he could get away with it now what makes you think he wouldn't take a few drugs?

I'm all for forgiving but it's going to take more then one year.

i never once said it was ok because he was not licensed vs if he was.and all i am saying is you and me and everyother poster do not know this person so either answer his question or keep your stupid judgemental comments to self. op might be a terrible person or might be a great person who made a mistake. and stop with that we are the trusted profession. yea thats why the public treats pharmacists the way they do everyday, smarten up buddy, most people think we are overpaid clerks.

 

[imcallingcorp]

First of all, even if that statistic were true, it doesn't negate any wrongdoing or accountability. Just because other pharmacy students have done it, it's okay? Or that it's not stupid? I don't see the logic. Standards should not be that low. Secondly where are you getting that statistic? I find that very hard to believe if these were acts committed during pharmacy school. Sure, I might have stolen a candy bar or something, but if I did, it was probably as a 6 year old, from a classroom in school. Shoplift as a 20+ year old? No way. You should be mature enough. There's really no excuse. You simply should know better. If you knew the consequences and knowingly risked your own licensure, then you're reaping what you've sown. On the other hand, if did not think there were consequences to shoplifting, then, you probably don't have the sense to be a pharmacist.

you win . his moral character is clearly visible. kick him out of school and send him to jail.

 

[zelman]

i never once said it was ok because he was not licensed vs if he was.and all i am saying is you and me and everyother poster do not know this person so either answer his question or keep your stupid judgemental comments to self. op might be a terrible person or might be a great person who made a mistake. and stop with that we are the trusted profession. yea thats why the public treats pharmacists the way they do everyday, smarten up buddy, most people think we are overpaid clerks.

So, in typically internet tradition, I'm forced to ask you...if nobody here has met Adolf Hitler, are we keeping the option open that he may have been a great person who made a mistake?

 

[monkieez]

So, in typically internet tradition, I'm forced to ask you...if nobody here has met Adolf Hitler, are we keeping the option open that he may have been a great person who made a mistake?

I guess that we can close the thread now.

 

[mentos]

My coworker told me some idiot in his class stole C2s at a hospital APPE. All he got was a slap on the wrist. Guess the school just wanted its tuition money. He came back the following year. Don't know if he ever got licensed/hired but wouldn't be surprised if he did. So yes, standards are incredibly low these days.

 

[M0df]

So you have a lawyer and yet here you are on public boards asking for advice on how to hide it from the Board of Pharmacy or potential employers. I don't see a way you can hide it from the board as you will be applying for license in less than 2 years as long as your school does not take any action against you.

 

[Chalupa_Batman86]

Filing this under exhibit #35 on why not to go to pharmacy school: you may end up going to school with people who are dumb enough to consider shoplifting as a good idea and furthermore too stupid to get past a pimple faced cashier.

As pimply as this guy?

 

[Chalupa_Batman86]

And man, there are tons of applicants with clean records that are trying to scrape together hours. Your best move is to drop out of school now. Just save yourself the time and money.

 

[born2slave]

First off, ignore all the people with the useless comments that are not meant to be helpful at all. They probably think the world is all about unicorns and rainbows.

Mistakes happen. Learn from it and move on. I'm sure something traumatic must've been going on in your life to cause you to make a mistake at that particular moment. Continue to study and work hard in school and just wait patiently on your next steps. Your life is not ruined. There are pharmacists that have done much worse things and still have their licenses.

 

[BMBiology]

^ the difference? Those pharmacists did stupid things after they got licensed. Big difference.

Everyone and their mom are getting accepted nowadays. This also means employers have a lot of pharmacists to choose from.

Please stop making excuses for people who do stupid things. Just because I am depressed doesn't mean I get a pass for driving drunk and hurting someone.

And stop assuming this is the first time this person stole something. It is not the first and won't be the last.

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[297point1]

I'm amazed about all the posters suggesting that the state Board of Pharmacy isn't going to care about this.

It is much easier to prevent future trouble by denying a questionable individual a license than to grant them one and hope for the best. As seemingly every third post on SDN attests, it's not like there is a shortage of pharmacists anymore.