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hey so i just got arrested for a prostitution charge, which is a petty misdmeanor. i have an interview scheduled for early february and do not know what i should do. should i inform the school or just wait things out. when schools do background checks, will they see this arrest? advice is greatly appreciated. thanks
 
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I think Yes ! Its just plain sad at your end. You should have kept yourself outside of trouble atleast until you get into med school !
If you get an interview, prepare for a good answer if they ask anything in this regard.

Good Luck
 
Based on the information of the above post, if you are convicted then I would advise you to disclose the arrest explaining your side of the story.
G'luck
 
there is so much negativity on this forumn that I often feel sick, so I usually try to look at things positively but also realistically.

For this post however, this can't be true. Honestly you wanna be a physician in the future and you pull this crap? If you paid for sex that is just pathetic.

on the other hand, if you had people pay to have sex with you and got caught thats different. I would just explain to the adcoms that you just did that because you needed to pay for your secondary apps. I think they should be cool about it if you did it for that reason......


NOT👎
 
Ahem ... a few things:

1. I know it sucks right now, but I really hope you'll share this story and I'd really like to know which side of the coin you were on. Someday you'll look back on this and laugh.

2. Convicted, pardoned by Obama, found not guilty by a jury of your peers, etc, it will come up in a background check. People think things like 'expunging' and only getting arrested but not charged/convicted won't come up ... everything does. Think about how easy it is to google someone and find out their life story. Now apply that concept to a statewide computer network that involves the police and courts.

Now, here is what AACOMAS states:

'list any misdemeanor/felony for which you were convicted or pleaded no contest.'

Since you're way past that point, it's kind of moot, and you have two options at this point:

1. Tell the schools now (before your interview/during your interview)
2. Tell the schools after you (theoretically) get accepted.

After acceptance and paying your fee, they will run a background check, and I don't care what anybody tells you about these checks (what's supposed to come up, what won't come up, etc) everything comes up in some capacity, there is just too much information out there and too many pieces in the progression of getting arrested/cited -> judgement.

It's your call whether or not you'd like to tell the schools before or after, but not saying anything and then trying to explain a prostitution charge after the fact probably isn't a good idea.

As you're well aware, this isn't a great thing. Keep in mind that you didn't kill anybody, you weren't selling drug to kids, etc, but medicine is filled with conservative, professional individuals, and this isn't something like a citation for drinking in the freshman dorms. My guess is that since it wouldn't necessarily affect getting a medical license/working in hospitals in your 3/4 years, it isn't technically a life-long blacklist. However, I would be prepared to do a few things:

1. Thoroughly and honestly explain what you were doing. Don't lie, don't pretend like it wasn't your fault, but show remorse, take responsibility, and let the adcoms know (when you do explain) that it was a lapse in judgement and you've grown up/will never do it again.

2. Be prepared to show them that you've taken steps to actually fixing the issue. Go to SA meetings (I'm not saying you have a problem, but you should be able to show the adcoms that you understand what you did and you're taking steps to correct it), talk to teenage kids in juvie, etc.

Finally ... and most important. Get a lawyer, tell them everything, and do what they say. I'm making a huge guess here, but I don't think this type of charge is the end of the world, so hopefully a good lawyer and a first time charge (let's hope) will make the consequences not too harsh and you can move past this.

Know that it's probably going to affect your chances, know that you're going to have some big explaining to do; be honest, own up to it, show it isn't a reflection of your character, and see what happens.

Good luck.
 
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Umm, what state do you live in that prostitution of any type (John or Pro) is only a petty misdemeanor? Which for the record, is the same as a traffic ticket and is NOT something that has to be disclosed to anyone... However, again prostitution in most states is a minimum of a misdemeanor, which as posted above DOES have to be disclosed... I think this is BS... if not... you have way bigger issues than whether the adcom knows
 
JaggerPlate said:
Ahem ... a few things:

1. I know it sucks right now, but I really hope you'll share this story and I'd really like to know which side of the coin you were on. Someday you'll look back on this and laugh.

2. Convicted, pardoned by Obama, found not guilty by a jury of your peers, etc, it will come up in a background check. People think things like 'expunging' and only getting arrested but not charged/convicted won't come up ... everything does. Think about how easy it is to google someone and find out their life story. Now apply that concept to a statewide computer network that involves the police and courts.

Now, here is what AACOMAS states:

'list any misdemeanor/felony for which you were convicted or pleaded no contest.'

Since you're way past that point, it's kind of moot, and you have two options at this point:

1. Tell the schools now (before your interview/during your interview)
2. Tell the schools after you (theoretically) get accepted.

After acceptance and paying your fee, they will run a background check, and I don't care what anybody tells you about these checks (what's supposed to come up, what won't come up, etc) everything comes up in some capacity, there is just too much information out there and too many pieces in the progression of getting arrested/cited -> judgement.

It's your call whether or not you'd like to tell the schools before or after, but not saying anything and then trying to explain a prostitution charge after the fact probably isn't a good idea.

As you're well aware, this isn't a great thing. Keep in mind that you didn't kill anybody, you weren't selling drug to kids, etc, but medicine is filled with conservative, professional individuals, and this isn't something like a citation for drinking in the freshman dorms. My guess is that since it wouldn't necessarily affect getting a medical license/working in hospitals in your 3/4 years, it isn't technically a life-long blacklist. However, I would be prepared to do a few things:

1. Thoroughly and honestly explain what you were doing. Don't lie, don't pretend like it wasn't your fault, but show remorse, take responsibility, and let the adcoms know (when you do explain) that it was a lapse in judgement and you've grown up/will never do it again.

2. Be prepared to show them that you've taken steps to actually fixing the issue. Go to SA meetings (I'm not saying you have a problem, but you should be able to show the adcoms that you understand what you did and you're taking steps to correct it), talk to teenage kids in juvie, etc.

Finally ... and most important. Get a lawyer, tell them everything, and do what they say. I'm making a huge guess here, but I don't think this type of charge is the end of the world, so hopefully a good lawyer and a first time charge (let's hope) will make the consequences not too harsh and you can move past this.

Know that it's probably going to affect your chances, know that you're going to have some big explaining to do; be honest, own up to it, show it isn't a reflection of your character, and see what happens.

Good luck.
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So, I think this is good advice. Its most certainly more thought out than mine.
 
Dr Yiot said:
For this post however, this can't be true. Honestly you wanna be a physician in the future and you pull this crap? If you paid for sex that is just pathetic.
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Why is this pathetic? What's pathetic is our society that feels so righteous about everything. So you pay for some entertainment? Big ****ing deal. You hurt nobody, and chances are, you are banging someone you would have never had a chance with. Seems also like a quick and better transaction than dealing with some person's bull when your intention is solely sex.

OP - You need to read every school's policy carefully. More likely than not, you're game over. Almost every place states that you must report charges against you even if conviction/dismissal has not been reached yet. Don't know if this is the case with your applications, but you should check. Don't think that hiding it will save you. They will find out and kick you out of med school.

I don't think a medical school will accept you if you're dumb enough to engage in illegal activity while your application is in play.
 
TriagePreMed said:
Why is this pathetic? What's pathetic is our society that feels so righteous about everything. So you pay for some entertainment? Big ****ing deal. You hurt nobody, and chances are, you are banging someone you would have never had a chance with. Seems also like a quick and better transaction than dealing with some person's bull when your intention is solely sex.

OP - You need to read every school's policy carefully. More likely than not, you're game over. Almost every place states that you must report charges against you even if conviction/dismissal has not been reached yet. Don't know if this is the case with your applications, but you should check. Don't think that hiding it will save you. They will find out and kick you out of med school.

I don't think a medical school will accept you if you're dumb enough to engage in illegal activity while your application is in play.
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You're assuming that most prostitutes are very attractive. Now that's just a hilarious assumption!
 
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If you already have an interview scheduled then you have already filled out all the applications and answered all the criminal record questions honestly, since this came up after them. I don't think you would technically be doing anything wrong by not saying anything about it now, however, they are going to find out about it eventually whenever you have a background check. It might actually work in your favor to tell them about it now so you have a chance to explain it and admit that you were wrong in the interview. If they find out later it will look like you hid it from them, and that could be more of a problem. So either way I don't think you are really doing anything wrong, but admitting it makes it look like you learned from it, and not saying anything makes it look like you learned nothing. I think that if I were in your position I would get a lawyer, get their advice on what to tell the school, wait to see how it all works out, and if convicted I would tell the school immediately.
 
JaggerPlate said:
2. Convicted, pardoned by Obama, found not guilty by a jury of your peers, etc, it will come up in a background check. People think things like 'expunging' and only getting arrested but not charged/convicted won't come up ... everything does. Think about how easy it is to google someone and find out their life story. Now apply that concept to a statewide computer network that involves the police and courts.
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Even though I believe this is 100% a troll thread I'm going to reply.

It kind of works this way... kind of doesn't. It's important to understand that expungement means the records are sealed by the state. The only way to open most sealed records is through court order but there are other situations.

A pardon is actually less thorough than an expungement and most people don't know that. A pardon is forgiveness for the crime - the conviction is not dropped, simply the punishment. Many who are pardoned are still required to obey all restrictions of convicted felons.

An expungement on the other hand is literally the erasure of a record. For all intensive purposes, the crime or event never happened. Expungements are common in cases where wrongdoing is later uncovered that led to the conviction or someone's life path after the crime was so positive that they deserve a second shot at their future.

Finally, and most importantly, an expunged crime cannot be held against you in anything governed by 42 USC 9849 (non-discrimination federal statute). I would imagine most admissions processes are governed by that statute since a school certainly cannot discriminate against race, creed, national origin, and so forth.

Of course, any admissions committee can do anything they want to do and news stories about a crime that was later expunged can be used in their decisions. That doesn't mean it's right.

-CopToEM
 
erikin1986 said:
hey so i just got arrested for a prostitution charge, which is a petty misdmeanor. i have an interview scheduled for early february and do not know what i should do. should i inform the school or just wait things out. when schools do background checks, will they see this arrest? advice is greatly appreciated. thanks
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You could go to chiropractic college. I knew a guy that went to Logan that was convicted of manslaughter and they welcomed him with open arms. I also heard that Sherman College of Straight Chiropractic has at least 2 rapists as students. Does that fields insanity ever end?!

I think you need to be a criminal in order to get accepted to a chiropractic program :laugh:
 
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Notice how he/she hasn't been back even though they knew this would get a lot of attention... I smell a troll.
 
CopToEM said:
Even though I believe this is 100% a troll thread I'm going to reply.

It kind of works this way... kind of doesn't. It's important to understand that expungement means the records are sealed by the state. The only way to open most sealed records is through court order but there are other situations.

A pardon is actually less thorough than an expungement and most people don't know that. A pardon is forgiveness for the crime - the conviction is not dropped, simply the punishment. Many who are pardoned are still required to obey all restrictions of convicted felons.

An expungement on the other hand is literally the erasure of a record. For all intensive purposes, the crime or event never happened. Expungements are common in cases where wrongdoing is later uncovered that led to the conviction or someone's life path after the crime was so positive that they deserve a second shot at their future.

Finally, and most importantly, an expunged crime cannot be held against you in anything governed by 42 USC 9849 (non-discrimination federal statute). I would imagine most admissions processes are governed by that statute since a school certainly cannot discriminate against race, creed, national origin, and so forth.

Of course, any admissions committee can do anything they want to do and news stories about a crime that was later expunged can be used in their decisions. That doesn't mean it's right.

-CopToEM
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Since I can assume you're an ex-police officer, you're word >>>> mine. However, my comments were more to the effect of 'something being left behind' and asking questions about it from there. I've had a few friends with dumb things on their records (minor alcohol tickets, some DUIs, one for hunting in an area where he wasn't supposed to) and all of them claimed that each door was sealed shut, doneski, Jason Bourne couldn't find them. Additionally, I think you're right that at this level, it's probably illegal to even hold anything found here against an individual. However, it seemed like in the cases where they researched themselves or had a BG check done for work, some little thing always popped up and it wasn't hard to ask a few questions to crack the truth from there.

Additionally, in order to work in the hospitals 3/4 years, you have to go through BG testing that's above and beyond the normal one for job checks and applying to grad schools. When it gets up to this level, I think the best thing you can do is just assume something will show and be 100% honest when asked. Frankly, in 99% of cases, it's better to just be upfront and explain than try to hide it and look sneaky.

Again though, this is simply my experience and I'm sure you have MUCH more merit when it comes to these type of situations 👍
 
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JaggerPlate said:
Since I can assume you're an ex-police officer, you're word >>>> mine. However, my comments were more to the effect of 'something being left behind' and asking questions about it from there. I've had a few friends with dumb things on their records (minor alcohol tickets, some DUIs, one for hunting in an area where he wasn't supposed to) and all of them claimed that each door was sealed shut, doneski, Jason Bourne couldn't find them. Additionally, I think you're right that at this level, it's probably illegal to even hold anything found here against an individual. However, it seemed like in the cases where they researched themselves or had a BG check done for work, some little thing always popped up and it wasn't hard to ask a few questions to crack the truth from there.

Additionally, in order to work in the hospitals 3/4 years, you have to go through BG testing that's above and beyond the normal one for job checks and applying to grad schools. When it gets up to this level, I think the best thing you can do is just assume something will show and be 100% honest when asked. Frankly, in 99% of cases, it's better to just be upfront and explain than try to hide it and look sneaky.

Again though, this is simply my experience and I'm sure you have MUCH more merit when it comes to these type of situations 👍
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Expungement actually works a bit different in the state of California. You still have to disclose the record for any government or lottery job. Everything else you're pretty much legally allowed to say you've never had any record, and if they find it later on and question you or fire you because of it, they are violating the law.
 
WTH!?!?!?

I have never seen so many obnoxious replies on a single forum in my life...you people are really making me nervous to be attending school with you in the future. As future physicians you need to be a little more level headed than this...some of your patients may end up being prostitutes or individuals who commit other "crimes" and you are legally/ethically bound to treat them the same as non-criminals. Come on folks, let's be a bit more respectful.
 
guydudcl371 said:
WTH!?!?!?

I have never seen so many obnoxious replies on a single forum in my life...you people are really making me nervous to be attending school with you in the future. As future physicians you need to be a little more level headed than this...some of your patients may end up being prostitutes or individuals who commit other "crimes" and you are legally/ethically bound to treat them the same as non-criminals. Come on folks, let's be a bit more respectful.
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The OP is not a patient of ours. He is a potential peer who chose to make stupid decisions and we're simply rebuking him for it. This isn't a land of fairy tales and unicorns where everything is hunky-dory no matter what you did.
 
TriagePreMed said:
Why is this pathetic? What's pathetic is our society that feels so righteous about everything. So you pay for some entertainment? Big ****ing deal. You hurt nobody, and chances are, you are banging someone you would have never had a chance with. Seems also like a quick and better transaction than dealing with some person's bull when your intention is solely sex.

OP - You need to read every school's policy carefully. More likely than not, you're game over. Almost every place states that you must report charges against you even if conviction/dismissal has not been reached yet. Don't know if this is the case with your applications, but you should check. Don't think that hiding it will save you. They will find out and kick you out of med school.

I don't think a medical school will accept you if you're dumb enough to engage in illegal activity while your application is in play.
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and your ridiculing me for what? why are you even arguing with me. you also think it was dumb and has ruined this persons chance at medical school. I was saying that its pathetic for a few reasons....

Your applying to medical school. You NEED to watch your EVERY move because anything can be a cause for rejection since it is that competetive. its pathetic he even took the risk.

also, don't you think its more respectfull to go out and actually bang a girl who looks good and do it without paying money? Plus most prostitute are friggin dirty and not hot AT ALL. so yeah, its pretty pathetic. unless he screwed a well known pornstart for money and got caught then he is pathetic.

I can't believe no ones backing me up here. Not to mention this guy was a troll.

Cmon Triage your better than that. dont be banging prostitutes man, you can get better looking girls without money and ones who are even willing to do the crazy stuff free of charge.😎
 
Why is everyone arguing and wasting their breath on this thread? The OP was obviously trolling (in case nobody has noticed that they have not returned since) and it worked! Nobody would be stupid enough to do what they did. Someone should close this thread.
 
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Rollo said:
The OP is not a patient of ours. He is a potential peer who chose to make stupid decisions and we're simply rebuking him for it. This isn't a land of fairy tales and unicorns where everything is hunky-dory no matter what you did.
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Regardless of who they are, there's no reason to act e-tough. The OP made a bad decision (potentially sinking their career before it even started), but that doesn't give anybody permission to be a dick to them about it. If it's actually trolling (which it may or may not be - the OP's posting history seems clean on first glance), there's still no reason to get riled up. Flag and move on. If you can't, you're a bully taking shots at someone you perceive to be an easy target.

Frankly, I have more issue with Landsealion's comment about chiropractors. Regardless of personal opinions towards the profession, there is still no reason to act boorishly. As DOs, we see plenty of that directed at us already. We should know better.
 
Dr Yiot said:
and your ridiculing me for what? why are you even arguing with me. you also think it was dumb and has ruined this persons chance at medical school. I was saying that its pathetic for a few reasons....

Your applying to medical school. You NEED to watch your EVERY move because anything can be a cause for rejection since it is that competetive. its pathetic he even took the risk.

also, don't you think its more respectfull to go out and actually bang a girl who looks good and do it without paying money? Plus most prostitute are friggin dirty and not hot AT ALL. so yeah, its pretty pathetic. unless he screwed a well known pornstart for money and got caught then he is pathetic.

I can't believe no ones backing me up here. Not to mention this guy was a troll.

Cmon Triage your better than that. dont be banging prostitutes man, you can get better looking girls without money and ones who are even willing to do the crazy stuff free of charge.😎
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LOL shh! Don't tell teh ADCOMies, and who says I'm the one banging them? Deuce Bigalow male Gigolo!

Anyway, I don't really care what another person does. So someone goes out there and picks up a prostitute? Big deal. I've had a few friends who have done it, and they are not the pathetic/can't-get-a-girl kind. I don't know why they do it. I think they just want a release and not deal with the other stuff attached to picking up a regular chick.

And no, no woman is free of charge.
 
Cheshyre said:
Regardless of who they are, there's no reason to act e-tough. The OP made a bad decision (potentially sinking their career before it even started), but that doesn't give anybody permission to be a dick to them about it. If it's actually trolling (which it may or may not be - the OP's posting history seems clean on first glance), there's still no reason to get riled up. Flag and move on. If you can't, you're a bully taking shots at someone you perceive to be an easy target.

Frankly, I have more issue with Landsealion's comment about chiropractors. Regardless of personal opinions towards the profession, there is still no reason to act boorishly. As DOs, we see plenty of that directed at us already. We should know better.
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+100
I was wondering if I was the only one that thought the posters on this thread were being overly judgmental.

+500 on second paragraph. Landsealion's comment sounds just like how pre-allo pple are about D.O.
 
If you are going to plead guilty in order to receive a deferred sentence or something of the like... you better fess up quick. If they have to find out, instead of you telling them, it will not end well for you.

There are no guarantees that it will end well for you anyways, but you're going to have to take the route of maturity and own up to your mistake for any chance.

Call the school you have the Feb interview at.

Best of luck to you.

I'm not a lawyer, but I am an LEO. The guilty plea WILL show. Dropped charges may or may not show depending on how the background check is run. I don't know the specifics of what Pre-check looks for.
 
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erikin1986 said:
hey so i just got arrested for a prostitution charge, which is a petty misdmeanor. I have an interview scheduled for early february and do not know what i should do. Should i inform the school or just wait things out. When schools do background checks, will they see this arrest? Advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks
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rollo said:
so were you the prostitute or the client?
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lol!
 
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